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I’m very tempted, but my professional skills is Zen Pinball. It reminds me of a kid playing on my Win ME laptop pinball.

I could get by with a Pro, but that Max chip sounds so impressive.
 
I think you’d easily have a point when it comes to the iPhone, but then I’d argue how utterly stable and vibrant the used iPhone market is and how far Apple has gone toward making it so easy to participate via a (usually) very reasonably priced trade-in. Their recycling program is nothing to sneeze at either; they cover the cost.

But for the Mac, I really can’t see your point. The lineup is extremely stable and relatively boring in terms of release cycles. Compare Apple’s number and length of Mac product releases to any other top PC manufacturer with their utterly obnoxious numbers of head-spinning releases. Right now, we are in a unique period of rapid evolution of ARM development due to Apple bringing its silicon production in-house (and continuing to do so with other components). This is going to only result in more power efficiency over time and better performance, and so I’d argue: product longevity and lineup stability in the long run as people realize that any ARM Mac is more than sufficient. That was rarely the case with Intel, especially after one or two OS releases.

Not playing devil’s advocate here on you at all: iPhone lineup is obnoxiously stratified and needs to be consolidated into one or two varieties of the phone. But much like the guilt surrounding “wasted bath water” that is recycled right back into the system, the used market is especially vibrant and stable for all things Apple, and that includes the Mac. It (perhaps accidentally) goes on to justifies the end (though maybe not the means) of much of what they do.

That's just plain wrong. There are people right now, running the latest MacOS on 2009 hardware, and it *flies*

Apple could make Ventura run perfectly, on ANY Intel Mac, TODAY, they could just literally flip a switch in the compiler and it works.

Why they are getting away with what they are doing, is another, political discussion.
 
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That's just plain wrong. There are people right now, running the latest MacOS on 2009 hardware, and it *flies*

Apple could make Ventura run perfectly, on ANY Intel Mac, TODAY, they could just literally flip a switch in the compiler and it works.

Why they are getting away with what they are doing, is another, political discussion.
I could see the point you’re not making being very political indeed. I’m not going to argue the intricacies of Apple’s software development with someone who isn’t a software engineer working at Apple, but I’d still reckon to say it’s highly ignorant to classify anything as flipping a switch in the compiler. No wonder people don’t understand why computer scientists are worth what they’re paid.
That's just plain wrong. There are people right now, running the latest MacOS on 2009 hardware, and it *flies*

Apple could make Ventura run perfectly, on ANY Intel Mac, TODAY, they could just literally flip a switch in the compiler and it works.

Why they are getting away with what they are doing, is another, political discussion.

Ever consider that they made software optimizations for both architectures? Please don’t trivialize software engineering with this ignorance. They don’t slow down older machines just for the sake of having people upgrade. It doesn’t happen. Even when it seems like it is. Even when class action settlements happen. There are so many moving parts to an operating system (not to mention trade-offs). Nothing is a flip of a switch in a compiler, except possibly the cross-architecture and cross-device functionality they deliberately designed for developers to not have to reinvent the wheel or worry about nuances. Go tell Linus Torvalds or an assembly programmer that all they need to do is load up their GUI and check the box that says “Terminate Planned Obsolescence”. Lol. Igny dude. Just so igny.
 
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Don't worry, there will be even more of these showing up even after the M2 models are released. Amazon seems to have a huge warehouse of these and is trying to get rid of them as soon as possible. The industry is collusion right now and is playing on everyone's emotions. That article about the M2 being delayed is probably Amazon itself planting articles through Digitimes to get you to buy this now because you feel like you can't wait any longer.

I bet you after the M2 is released, you will be able to get this same M1 Max for 2,200.
I waited, bought the M2 Max. Will be a nice upgrade over my mid 2019 15.9" MacBook Pro. I really didn't want to get an M1 MacBook pro. I have one at work, and the bluetooth is so flaky AirDrop like never works.
 
There are people right now, running the latest MacOS on 2009 hardware, and it *flies*

Apple could make Ventura run perfectly, on ANY Intel Mac, TODAY, they could just literally flip a switch in the compiler and it works.

Well my top-of-the-line late 2013 MacBookPro certainly cannot run Ventura. or Monterey.

Nor does it fly.
 
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Well my top-of-the-line late 2013 MacBookPro certainly cannot run Ventura. or Monterey.

Nor does it fly.

Delusion 🤡 vs. Reality 🖼️ in a Nutshell 🥜

They should have flipped that compiler switch for ya, but they didn’t. 😞
 
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