Once we see how well the ARM based Macs work, no one will be interested in the Intel Ones...
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Once we see how well the ARM based Macs work, no one will be interested in the Intel Ones...
The issue is not how long they will support intel devices for, it is more about how quickly those intel devices are going to be left behind in favour of ARM devices.
It's Apple, do you think they will put all new developments into both intel MacOS and ARM macOS? Of course not, they are going to use it as leverage. You want these new features we are putting into macOS ARM? Buy an ARM device then, we are not putting them into your intel version.
They are going to see this is a huge cash cow as people upgrade their current intel devices to get the benefits only available in ARM devices.
It's Apple, do you think they will put all new developments into both intel MacOS and ARM macOS? Of course not, they are going to use it as leverage. You want these new features we are putting into macOS ARM? Buy an ARM device then, we are not putting them into your intel version.
They are going to see this is a huge cash cow as people upgrade their current intel devices to get the benefits only available in ARM devices.
I've been hanging on to my 2011 MacBook Pro, and even upgraded it to 16Mb RAM & added a 1TB SSD into it; works perfect for me, even tho I'm stuck on macOS High Sierra.
Lately I've been wavering to go over to a nice Lenovo Windows laptop - especially since I really hate how Apple solders all of its RAM & HD to the chipset, and doesn't let you upgrade.
But now I may try to hold out and see how Apple prices these new systems and for the first revision of an Apple Silicon-based MacBook Pro - probably there will be a 2021 revision for it, rather than the original 2020 Silicon MacBook Pro. I do not like first-gen products from anyone.
That's probably my upgrade roadmap.
Lately I've been wavering to go over to a nice Lenovo Windows laptop - especially since I really hate how Apple solders all of its RAM & HD to the chipset, and doesn't let you upgrade.
But now I may try to hold out and see how Apple prices these new systems and for the first revision of an Apple Silicon-based MacBook Pro - probably there will be a 2021 revision for it, rather than the original 2020 Silicon MacBook Pro. I do not like first-gen products from anyone.
That's probably my upgrade roadmap.
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Visitors to this site aren't the average computer buyer - the majority won't even know about the transition to ARM until a few years later when the change is finished.
People will continue to buy Intel Macs and sellers certainly won't say "oh you should wait a couple of years because Apple is ditching Intel."
Business as usual... what happens after the transition to ARM is completed is the big question.
People will continue to buy Intel Macs and sellers certainly won't say "oh you should wait a couple of years because Apple is ditching Intel."
Business as usual... what happens after the transition to ARM is completed is the big question.
It's going to be a busy, busy October/November:
Atari VCS (?)
Intellivision Amiico (10/10)
PS5
Xbox Series X (and lower-priced variant?)
ARM MacBook Pro
ARM iMac
Virus 2nd Wave Shutdowns?
That’s because most people here forget that most people also don’t come to macrumors. They just want to use word, listen to music and such. If it’s not broken they don’t care. I was at bestbuy awhile back and these two were buying an Apple Watch. They asked one questions to each other before buying the watch “which watch size looks better with the outfit”. That was it.
most of the discussions and concerns are moo points for the general population. Including the whole MacBook Air heating issue. Just go take a look at reviews on Costco.It’s > 4 stars.
Perhaps many talking about 'waiting' aren't recognizing odds favor the initial Apple silicon will appear on low-power/price-point units; and not heavy production professional use machines? I'm not sure; but having spilled coffee and frying a touchbar MacBook Pro 3 months after warranty; I just got a 10th Gen Intel 13" 2020 Pro; with no regrets. As I require JAVA for my stock market videos (hence rendering) ... even if a new iMac is released I'd get that as I know it will work rather than betting on the early transition; and especially if the higher-end Intel processors are more appropriate than Apple's initial offering. And where is that new iMac by the way?
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I was thinking about replacing my 13 MB Pro from 2015 - despite the fact, that I would have had to replace all the "old" USB-stuff or to go with adapters...
Knowing, what Apple intends to do with the OS itself, I will use it as long as it will last. It is a gorgeous Multi-OS machine, running Windows 10 like a charm - if needed.
Knowing, what Apple intends to do with the OS itself, I will use it as long as it will last. It is a gorgeous Multi-OS machine, running Windows 10 like a charm - if needed.
Oh they won't be cheaper at all. In fact, iMac ARM 27 is likely going to be completely sealed like the 21" and will have soldered ram and storage. Right now, you can buy a loaded imac 27 with the lowest ram and drop in 64gb for dirt cheap (at least compared to Apple's outrageous prices) If you're brave, you can even still upgrade an imac 27's CPU, hard drive, and even SSD with an adapter to regular NVME drives. This is all going away.
OTOH, all these macs on sale here are definitely a no buy as they're "dead man walking"
I was the IT guy for an advertising firm which went all Mac. Since the designers used Macs, it was already a 10-1 ratio, but the financial team missed their Dells. I had to set up their MacBookPros to all run Parallels because Office 2011 didn't have pivot tables in Excel for Mac. Small things like really were a pain when things were less cross-platform. (Don't get me started on how long it took for Adobe to update some crucial filters and plug-ins to be multi-core aware, and updated for MacOS.)
In the last few years as a tech person, I haven't run across Bootcamp, but virtualization is definitely a tool that is widely used.
Office 2016+ era has been a great era when things have run beautifully cross-platform. Let's hope it continues.
I bought a 16" Macbook Pro a couple weeks ago. I have returned it and I'm getting the $899 Macbook Air to hold me over until the new Macs with Apple's chips come out.
Just because Apple said they will transition all their lineup by the end of 2022 doesn't mean they will.
They likely already have chips deep into production for the announcement (leaks for several months if not a year now, to give an idea of lead time).
I believe during the Intel transition they said something similar for a timeline, and then did it in what, 7 months?
My guess is all ARM by fall of next year. Mac Pro will be last. Probably some sort of monster chip that is last in the pipeline.
I'm more curious about discrete graphics? Do they find a way to keep those and run them with A-series chips? Or do they go all in on intergrated? Could really upset some pro users.
They likely already have chips deep into production for the announcement (leaks for several months if not a year now, to give an idea of lead time).
I believe during the Intel transition they said something similar for a timeline, and then did it in what, 7 months?
My guess is all ARM by fall of next year. Mac Pro will be last. Probably some sort of monster chip that is last in the pipeline.
I'm more curious about discrete graphics? Do they find a way to keep those and run them with A-series chips? Or do they go all in on intergrated? Could really upset some pro users.
Would love to believe this, but Tim said they still have intel macs in the pipeline.
I’m still using my mid 2011 MBA, but once the new ARM MBPs ship, I’m all in. Not being able to upgrade beyond High Sierra currently is a bummer. Here’s to hoping the new Macs come out sooner rather than later!
I was also trying to choose between these two, and possibly going for the latter for the same reason. It looks like Costco has the i5 model for $949 starting tomorrow.
Not sure if you were around for the PPC > Intel transition 15 years ago, but I worked at a very busy Apple Store Genius Bar from 2007 to 2014. After ~2010 (about when the first iPad emerged) we never worked on PowerPC Macs again... because they were all vintage (California goes 7 years until obsolete... but for most states, vintage = obsolete as far as Apple considers it).
Apple announced the Intel transition at WWDC 2005, by late 2006 the entire product line was Intel. I'm sure Apple has a few Intel Mac speedbumps in the wings they'll release soon, but that'll probably be it. They're parting ways.
They're taking a 2 year approach this time, but this stuff happens really quickly - especially when we consider that the high-volume consumer "$999-1299 models" will be almost certainly what they target first for Apple silicon. I'm betting that their "2 year window" is with regard to the Xeon chips on their iMac/Mac Pros - which is a very small, premium, niche market segment.
These are the same prices that has been going on for the last two weeks. It started with Costco $200 off then Best Buy $200 off. Those deals expired and Amazon joined the party at $100 off but they had stocking issues. Once Apple launched the Back to School promo more sites joined in.
The most popular deal site archives deals so you can see the history of the best deals. This is a good deal but not the best deal in the last moth.
The most popular deal site archives deals so you can see the history of the best deals. This is a good deal but not the best deal in the last moth.
I'm old enough to remember this:
Despite Steve's promises of new ppc products in the pipeline, none were ever released. In fact the transition to intel was completed sooner than anticipated. And that was the end of that...
If you own more than one intel macs, now is a good time to let them go!
Despite Steve's promises of new ppc products in the pipeline, none were ever released. In fact the transition to intel was completed sooner than anticipated. And that was the end of that...
If you own more than one intel macs, now is a good time to let them go!
Agree with this. My Powerbook G4 resale dropped like a rock after the Intel switch. And while I would hope Apple wouldn't throw away the R&D that went into the Mac Pros, completely hosing people that just bought them, they did it before to the G5 owners clinging to the Mhz Myth.
Rosetta is a one way street - ARM apps do not translate back to Intel - and Intel not translating back to Power PC is what ultimately made all those G4/G5 Macs paperweights. Once developers get a taste of the new cohesive iOS/MacOS platform (as long as it doesn't suck), it is all over for Intel...
I was talking from users perspective. Apple will definitely sill have to support it much longer. Macbook Air released in 2013 is still supported with software update till 2021 fall, till when the new macos is released which is when it will be dropped, thats 8yrs or so.
Imagine, people rightnow are talking about how pointless it is to buy Intel Mac even though there are no ARM Macs yet to buy.
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I didn't mean that it would break down or wont be usable. But if i'm spending upwards of $3000 then i want it to last much longer in terms of surviving and being still usable to my requirements. And if i'm spending about $1000 then i dont mind replacing it another 3-4yrs down the line and spend another $1000 to get the latest at that time.
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I'm talking in from users perspective, Apple will support it much longer for sure.
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