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Could you please expand upon this for us lay people? What is the benefit of an IPS panel over a VA panel? How much should someone expect to pay for an IPS panel display? What manufacturers should someone look at? Thank you.
Display Panel Technology: TN vs. VA vs. IPS
By far the most common types of display panels used on PC monitors are TN, IPS and VA. We're sure you've heard these terms before if you've...
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This is what bugs me the most about VA panels:
By far the biggest difference between the three technologies is in viewing angles. TN panels have the weakest viewing angles, with significant shift to color and contrast in both the horizontal and especially vertical directions. Typically viewing angles are rated as 170/160 but realistically you'll get pretty bad shifts when viewing anywhere except for dead center. Higher-end TNs tend to be somewhat better but overall this is a big weakness for TNs.
VA and IPS panels are both significantly better, with IPS being the best overall for viewing angles. 178/178 viewing angle ratings are a realistic reflection of what you can expect with an IPS, you won't get much shift in colors or contrast from any angle. VAs are good in this regard but not as good as IPS, mostly due to contrast shifts at off-center angles. With VAs and especially TNs having some color and contrast shifts when viewing at angles, they're not as well suited to color-critical professional work as IPS panels, which is why you see most pro-grade monitors sticking to IPS.
As far as I'm concerned, the above blurb is being quite generous for VA panels. IMO even "good" VA panels are frustrating to use when compared to IPS in this context. OTOH, for TVs, IPS aren't great with low light in the room since they have poorer contrast ratios. That said, I usually wouldn't buy a VA TV either and usually prefer OLED for TV. (I have a Sony X900H VA TV in my home office and really regret buying it. I wish I would have splurged and gotten an OLED, even though it's a secondary TV.)
Anyone knows if this is powering well to Macbook running on 100w?
And how’s camera work with facetime?
And how’s camera work with facetime?
With some of the complaints and opinions listed on this thread I wonder how any of you made it through the 90s.
just measured for you and i keep it 2'7" away from me tilted towards me on my right and it's fine. not too big or small.
I’m not sure I’d be the best to explain the differences, but watching some YouTube videos on different panel types will give you a solid idea. Mostly you get way better colors, viewing angles, and uniformity - at the expense of slightly worse contrast.
After selling my M7 I got an LG27UP850 for a bit under $500 and is quite amazing for what I do with it. Dramatically better picture in all respects and I don’t miss the “smart features” (slow awful mess) at all.
IMO in terms of picture quality LCD panels have never really gotten close to CRT. Only now with OLED do I feel like the “future” tech that is here to finally able to surpass CRT’s picture
I agree to a point. But to hear people complain about the size and the aspect ratio and the refresh rate and on and on and on, you’d think there was nothing better to do.
LCD surpassed CRTs long ago in terms of overall picture quality. It's really no contest. And OLED is on a whole other level. And I say that as some one who bought top-of-the-line widescreen 16:9 HD CRTs in the past.
I just set up my new Asus ProArt 32" PA328CGV HDR600 2560x1440 IPS 165 Hz monitor. This is an upgrade from my 2560x1600 30" Apple Cinema Display which was giving me problems on my M1 Mac mini, like sleep issues and no HDCP. The new monitor has no sleep issues with my M1, and USB-C is great. The all metal stand is very sturdy, and it's nice to have the height and swivel adjustments. Colours and viewing angles are fantastic, and HDR is decent. The smoothness of 120 Hz is nice bonus too, although not critical for me.
As expected though, text is not great, and the fact that the screen is 32" kinda magnifies that a bit. Again, IMO perfect would be 5120x2880 at 30". Text would be crisp, and a bit smaller than on this screen, but bigger than it is on my 27" 5K iMac.
The reason I will never buy this is :
No audio output through 3.5mm jack or HDMI ARC, unable to output sound through proper speakers of my choice (Will never accept delay through bluetooth)
The things I don't like this are :
Mini-HDMI instead of normal size HDMI
Only 1 HDMI input
A thing will make me more willing to buy is :
A proper display panel
No audio output through 3.5mm jack or HDMI ARC, unable to output sound through proper speakers of my choice (Will never accept delay through bluetooth)
The things I don't like this are :
Mini-HDMI instead of normal size HDMI
Only 1 HDMI input
A thing will make me more willing to buy is :
A proper display panel
Correction: it was 330$ overpriced at the beginning. Don’t understand how samsung get away with this? Their tvs magically gets 50% off every Black Friday and their phones is nearly half price one year after. Why would anyone buy anything from them until their prices drop?
Don’t have both but have an ultrasharp 4K (U2723QE) I bought in preference to the M8 which was on my shortlist at the time. Comparison below helped me choose the dell:
The dell is a colour calibrated IPS panel that would be more accurate and viewed at a wider range of angles than the Samsungs VA panel. The dell also has this thing called black technolgy that is supposed to make blacks more, well black and less greyish which is a thing that plagues all LCD screens compared with OLED.
The dell is a lot brighter.
Dell has an impressive range of ports in its built in dock and the Samsung’s port options are pretty ordinary.
Dell USBc power 100W vs 65W in the M8.
Both limited to 60Hz refresh.
The M8 has the built in streamer, the dell does not. Just attach your streamer of choice to the back of the dell with the generous port selection if you want that. Like the M8, you can do PiP. On that note, the dell display manager only works with ultrasharp monitors on macs. Beware if thinking of saving a few dollars on an S series monitor.
The M8 is prettier and is 32 Inch. A32 inch version of the ultrasharp (U3223QE) which is basically the same as the 27 inch but similar lower pixel density to the M8, which is purely screen size related.
I think if you were in a narrow dorm room and just using the display for word processing, Facebook etc and wanted an very good looking monitor and TV all in the one, the M8 would be a good choice. Anything that needs a lot of ports and accurate colour I would get the Dell.
I have had the M7 for a couple years and am quite happy with it. I don't see the VA panel as a dealbreaker for the kinda work I do. I enjoy the large 32" real estate and 4k resolution. Works quite well for me.
The M8 is identical to M7, except for the new stand/colors/and the added webcam. It's worth the money for someone who doesn't need absolute color accuracy.
It kinda does...but it really isn't. Monitor gets here on Wednesday I'll share pictures of my new setup!
What do you mean? Why wouldn't he be able to?
M1/M2 Pro/Max will have no problem running as many monitors any ordinary person would want to. Scaling or no scaling.
I was running 3x Dell U2720Q's both scaled and at native 4k for a while. My MacBook Pro M1 never break a sweat. And it only required 2 of my USB-C ports since I was using Plugable's Thunderbolt 4 Hub to connect two of them.
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