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NTFM

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I had my first (short) VR experience with a Gear VR. Damn - I have to admit - It was great and this is the future - but it is available NOW! It is exactly what I want to view a movie in the evening in Bed.

I do not understand why Apple has NOTHING to offer regarding VR - Apple has the iTunes store and could sell lots of 3D-Movies but ... nope.

Do I have to buy a ****ing Android phone to being able to watch some nice movies in VR?

I hope the new iPhone has a higher resolution so I will be able to use it with a Zeiss VR one goggle. Full HD is just not enough.

Sorry for my rant - but I really can not understand why apple is totally ignoring VR.

WAKE UP TIM!
 
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keysofanxiety

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If VR involves slapping a helmet on your head, it's not really there yet. If wireless charging can only be achieved by putting your phone on a pad, it's not really there yet.

I'd rather they waited until they could crack it; until it's a little beyond a niche gimmick.
 

Smeaton1724

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Apple very often aren't first to market, VR is new technology trying to find a place in the world. They will be spending some of the R&D budget on it but getting products to market won't be a goal for a while yet. Let others try and define product(s) and launch, then Apple can come in with a better experience after that.
 

NTFM

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If VR involves slapping a helmet on your head, it's not really there yet. If wireless charging can only be achieved by putting your phone on a pad, it's not really there yet.

I'd rather they waited until they could crack it; until it's a little beyond a niche gimmick.

Wireless charging is not a deal-breaker because it is just a inconvenience to plug the cable in - charging of the phone is still possible! But there is no way to circumvent the missing VR capability. AFAIK there is no VR-Technology, that works without glasses (well, a CAVE needs even more space) so I do not see a way how this problem should be solved.
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As a shareholder it seems not acceptable: "Well there is a guy that wants to buy a new phone, let him spend the money on an android device. - We don't need a customer that wants VR."
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Apple very often aren't first to market, VR is new technology trying to find a place in the world. They will be spending some of the R&D budget on it but getting products to market won't be a goal for a while yet. Let others try and define product(s) and launch, then Apple can come in with a better experience after that.
I know that the GEAR VR has no positional tracking and that a 4K display is needed for a "good" experience. But I have to admit it really was nice and usable, if I have to compare it: It was like using the first iPhone - not perfect but an eye opener!
 

keysofanxiety

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Wireless charging is not a deal-breaker because it is just a inconvenience to plug the cable in - charging of the phone is still possible! But there is no way to circumvent the missing VR capability. AFAIK there is no VR-Technology, that works without glasses (well, a CAVE needs even more space) so I do not see a way how this problem should be solved.

So many people from so many times have said the same thing. "I can't see how we can do it any differently. So let's make the best of what we have." However that's not how technology evolves. Everything is impossible... until it's possible.

There's always a different way. Maybe not in the next 5 or 10 years. But eventually! Star Trek has the vision, human inspiration has the means. :)
 
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Wireless charging is not a deal-breaker because it is just a inconvenience to plug the cable in - charging of the phone is still possible! But there is no way to circumvent the missing VR capability. AFAIK there is no VR-Technology, that works without glasses (well, a CAVE needs even more space) so I do not see a way how this problem should be solved.
[doublepost=1471441572][/doublepost]

As a shareholder it seems not acceptable: "Well there is a guy that wants to buy a new phone, let him spend the money on an android device. - We don't need a customer that wants VR."
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I know that the GEAR VR has no positional tracking and that a 4K display is needed for a "good" experience. But I have to admit it really was nice and usable, if I have to compare it: It was like using the first iPhone - not perfect but an eye opener!
And also as a shareholder I don't want to see half baked products. Do you really want another "Maps" situation on our hand? Apple has already said they are working on VR. I would place good money on the fact that when Apple releases VR it will make what you have tried seem very dated.

If your unhappy just because Apple hasn't released VR, sell. Your getting out of the most profitable company in the world.
 
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NT1440

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I had my first (short) VR experience with a Gear VR. Damn - I have to admit - It was great and this is the future - but it is available NOW! It is exactly what I want to view a movie in the evening in Bed.

I do not understand why Apple has NOTHING to offer regarding VR - Apple has the iTunes store and could sell lots of 3D-Movies but ... nope.

Do I have to buy a f*cking Android phone to being able to watch some nice movies in VR?

I hope the new iPhone has a higher resolution so I will be able to use it with a Zeiss VR one goggle. Full HD is just not enough.

Sorry for my rant - but I really can not understand why apple is totally ignoring VR.

WAKE UP TIM!
Uh...Apple has been investing HEAVILY in VR for years now. They just aren't public about things until they have something they deem worthy of release.

Apple Granted a Knockout Head Mounted Display System Patent
Apple Files a European Patent that Advances their Work on an Exciting Video Headset Device
Apple Breathes New Life into their Headset Display Invention
Apple's Special Project for a Video Telephonic Headset Wins a Second Patent
Apple Developing Applications for Smart Transparent Displays
Apple Wins Stunning Patent for New iPod Video Headset Display
 

Chew Toy McCoy

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Apple takes their time perfecting technology, or at least they attempt to. Most of Apple’s history is about that. Apple isn’t ignoring it. They’ve reported numerous times they are investing in VR technology. I don’t know why people expect Apple to include every bit of collective technology available on the market at that moment. VR is still very niche.
 
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Right on, OP. That's exactly how I want to stream movies and TV shows on Netflix.

I thought iPhone users only want a NEW DESIGN? Change the rear design and people will run to it. By the time Apple gets into VR, Samsung is into something else. By the time iPhone 8 in 2017 and the new iPad in 2018 gets released, Samsung already is into foldable displays. Do you see how quickly Apple got dusted with innovation?

You do the mandatory 2-3+ years of waiting with Apple. Then when it finally arrives, Apple's mortal sin with sloth was all part of the plan for iPhone users. That Samsung was the copycat when they really have been pushing the industry much further than Apple has done in the last five years. Apple doesn't think that far ahead. They lack a visionary.

The defenders will just say, we will just wait when the technology matures. Let Samsung be the guinea pigs. Apple will refine it. That's equal to waiting and then tracing over someone else's artwork. The previous artist did MOST OF THE WORK and R&D, yet, fans will still credit Apple for doing it the best. Excusing Apple's procrastination for being years late to the party.

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^ You didn't think Samsung was THAT BIG, did you? They have their own military division and city. I will keep posting that video in different threads to educate people and Samsung haters who think Samsung is small and are only into electronics.

Fanboys are small-minded where they can't even decide between a space black and space blue iPhone 7. Apple doesn't think THAT BIG anymore. Always too little, too late. But still making money because ignorance (with their audience) is bliss for them.
 

Smeaton1724

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Apple are wealthy because of a few very very good products. Samsung are wealthy from many many products, most of which are good, some are very good.

For something like VR Samsung can jump in and offer a few products and experiences that may or may not work. Apple just don't get things to market like that, or have the scale to pepper the market with products.


Right on, OP. That's exactly how I want to stream movies and TV shows on Netflix.

I thought iPhone users only want a NEW DESIGN? Change the rear design and people will run to it. By the time Apple gets into VR, Samsung is into something else. By the time iPhone 8 in 2017 and the new iPad in 2018 gets released, Samsung already is into foldable displays. Do you see how quickly Apple got dusted with innovation?

You do the mandatory 2-3+ years of waiting with Apple. Then when it finally arrives, Apple's mortal sin with sloth was all part of the plan for iPhone users. That Samsung was the copycat when they really have been pushing the industry much further than Apple has done in the last five years. Apple doesn't think that far ahead. They lack a visionary.

The defenders will just say, we will just wait when the technology matures. Let Samsung be the guinea pigs. Apple will refine it. That's equal to waiting and then tracing over someone else's artwork. The previous artist did MOST OF THE WORK and R&D, yet, fans will still credit Apple for doing it the best. Excusing Apple's procrastination for being years late to the party.

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^ You didn't think Samsung was THAT BIG, did you? They have their own military division and city. I will keep posting that video in different threads to educate people and Samsung haters who think Samsung is small and are only into electronics.

Fanboys are small-minded where they can't even decide between a space black and space blue iPhone 7. Apple doesn't think THAT BIG anymore. Always too little, too late. But still making money because ignorance (with their audience) is bliss for them.
 

Chew Toy McCoy

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The defenders will just say, we will just wait when the technology matures. Let Samsung be the guinea pigs. Apple will refine it. That's equal to waiting and then tracing over someone else's artwork. The previous artist did MOST OF THE WORK and R&D, yet, fans will still credit Apple for doing it the best. Excusing Apple's procrastination for being years late to the party.



I’m fine with that. Some want to be first to the party and others are willing to wait for possibly a better experience. Nothing wrong with either view.
 

megagene

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Well they might offer VR on future models of the iPhone, but the reason why there isn't anything for the iPhone right now is because Apple is still basically using the same display (at least on the non-Plus model) as they were 6 years ago with the lowest PPI in the business so VR would look like absolute trash. For VR to really shine, a quad HD display is the way to go.
 

baypharm

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If VR involves slapping a helmet on your head, it's not really there yet. If wireless charging can only be achieved by putting your phone on a pad, it's not really there yet.

I'd rather they waited until they could crack it; until it's a little beyond a niche gimmick.

Just like wearing those silly colored glasses to get the 3-D effect...
 
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AppleFan91

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I've used the Gear VR headset many times and while it's cool and all. I'd much rather have fast charging, wireless charging and water resistance first
 
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cynics

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VR is in its infancy as a mainstream product. Why not get made at every tech company that doesn't have a VR product instead of just Apple?

It will get there just be patient. It's not like Apple is ever first for a new product line.
 
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Our VR gaming twenty years ago...
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In fairness, I really did want the iPhone 7. The first iPhone I really wanted since the 4. I was nearly 90% sure a month ago I was going iPhone 7. But then the Note7 was announced and got intrigued by the potential of VR last week. I know VR isn't for everyone and I don't see it being carried around everywhere. It causes motion sickness to some like 3D would. Likely stays home inside my room most of the time.

I'm nearsighted and can't wear my glasses with it. But the potential of watching movies or TV shows on it while in bed or sitting on a couch sounds very intriguing. Maybe the novelty wears off after a few months like some tablets or e-book readers did. But might as well try it out as another media viewing experience. This isn't Lawnmower Man or Demolition Man virtual sex VR stuff. More media consumption. Not into technology wearables except VR or Lady Gaga Polaroid camera glasses.

Another TV screen peripheral. More IMAX than 3D. What seems gimmicky now becomes the norm in a few years. Remember when a "5.3 Galaxy Note in 2011 seemed niche? Now "5.5 is normal. VR could be the same thing after five years. I predict Apple might get into VR the earliest by 2019 when iPhone 9 comes out. They take their time until technology matures. Took Sony years to develop their's. You have to play the waiting game with Apple. You snooze, you lose!

People need to remember how we felt about the potential of virtual reality back in the 1990's. Anybody born before 1990 dreamed about VR. Twenty years ago, stuff like this would've blow our minds. I can't believe we can live this reality. I'm not a 3D fan of movies. But I saw The Force Awakens in IMAX 3D and it blew me away with the visuals and sounds. I paid extra for the better experience and it was worth it. I watch it on TV and it never reached that IMAX 3D immersive experience again.

I don't expect VR to be like some dream sequence in movies or that Duke Dumont music video below. For me, I see it like wearing giant shades and just watching a movie or playing a game like an IMAX experience for media consuming. Yeah, we can just watch movies or play games on our TV or smartphone but why not have an enhanced, atmospheric experience of it? Put a nice headphones and be completely immersed with it. That's my expectations with VR right now. Nothing like what I see in 90's sci-fi films though.

Imagine getting stoned, drinking mescaline (peyote), shrooming, angel dust, coke, or frying on acid with VR? Good times! Drug addicts are going to love it since their senses are enhanced already. I remember sorta giving up on VR ten years ago and thought it would be gimmicky. Now I see its potential. If someone told me twenty years ago I can pick up a VR headset for $99.99 in 2016 that didn't have only red graphics, I would be like get the f outta here! Virtual home theater experience that you can take anywhere with you.


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MacModMachine

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I had my first (short) VR experience with a Gear VR. Damn - I have to admit - It was great and this is the future - but it is available NOW! It is exactly what I want to view a movie in the evening in Bed.

I do not understand why Apple has NOTHING to offer regarding VR - Apple has the iTunes store and could sell lots of 3D-Movies but ... nope.

Do I have to buy a ****ing Android phone to being able to watch some nice movies in VR?

I hope the new iPhone has a higher resolution so I will be able to use it with a Zeiss VR one goggle. Full HD is just not enough.

Sorry for my rant - but I really can not understand why apple is totally ignoring VR.

WAKE UP TIM!


LOL VR...you kidding....

file that with 3D TV's
 

Cindori

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https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/ModelIO/Reference/MDLStereoscopicCamera_Class/

Trust me Apple is moving towards VR.
But no need to rush it. The industry is really small. You can't even make enough money as a game developer for PC VR yet.
And technical challenges remain. Head tracking may be solved by the dual cameras in next iPhone.

Or they want to make a dedicated separate device for VR. This has the advantage of allowing for a tailored screen for VR. VR and phones are really different use-cases that warrant separate devices.
 
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I treid, REALLY hard, to get on board with the VR thing. I just don't understand the obsession. My phone having VR is about as important to me as what Obama ate for dinner last night. If anything, I would get a VR headset for gaming on a computer or console at home, and even that is a big if. I might change my tune if we get some useful apps out of the deal, but AFAIK it's basically all just games and videos?
 
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^ You didn't think Samsung was THAT BIG, did you? They have their own military division and city. I will keep posting that video in different threads to educate people and Samsung haters who think Samsung is small and are only into electronics.

Samsung is big like this, too bad that the guy from the videos didn't put this:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...ding-information-on-toxins-it-exposed-them-to

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee

Look, nobody gives a damn how big is that corrupt conglomerate that grew from government corruption, censorship in the country, and the ignorance of the people.

Samsung phones are crap. They are made by marketing guys for marketing-eating people. They have no taste, they just dump everything into the box, they mostly sell low cost crap, but they brand themselves like all their users and all their devices are the best thing ever.

Samsung is tiny, it's just one more option in the Android world. Apple is huge in comparasion, they have their own design (with the two greatest industrial designers alive: Jony and Marc Newson), their own SOC, their own fingerprint reader, their own secure enclave processor and OS, their own kernel, their OS, their own programming language and SDK, their own browser engine (that samsung uses), their own javascript engine, their own compiler, their own formats and their own programming patterns, their own stores, their own tables, their own employees, their own door knobs, their own aluminium alloys, their own gold alloy, their own glass, their own music streaming service (edited in their own DAW, listened in their own headphone line, and music videos edited in their own video editor, recorded in their own ProRes video codecs), their own radio is playing right now with the best DJs, and content producers like Dre (which is an Apple emplyee), deadmau5, Sir Elton John, skrillex, their own messaging and telephony platforms, their own forest to make their product boxes, and their own solar panels to power up everything.

And THEN, there's MacRumors, not SamsungRumors, and if there is Samsung rumors, nobody cares, I'm not there begging how big Apple is!

Apple is a cultural icon, various movies have been made around their creation, Steve Jobs is the centerpiece of various books, none was one of those bottom-licking aspirational/promotional books that only talk good, when he died, I watched the news here in primetime here in Portugal, and people in China cried. According to Millard Brown, Apple is the #1 brand in the world, nobody wants to be the next Bill Gates or Sergey or Page, even Elon Musk is "the next Steve Jobs", not Steve Jobs that's the previous Elon Musk.

Samsung be like "there is money to be made selling phones? Better start copying the market innovator, just like we do vacuum cleaners".
 
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frankgrimes

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Samsung is big like this, too bad that the guy from the videos didn't put this:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...ding-information-on-toxins-it-exposed-them-to

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee

Look, nobody gives a damn how big is that corrupt conglomerate that grew from government corruption, censorship in the country, and the ignorance of the people.

Samsung phones are crap. They are made by marketing guys for marketing-eating people. They have no taste, they just dump everything into the box, they mostly sell low cost crap, but they brand themselves like all their users and all their devices are the best thing ever.

Samsung is tiny, it's just one more option in the Android world. Apple is huge in comparasion, they have their own design, their own SOC, their own fingerprint reader, their own secure enclave processor and OS, their own kernel, their OS, their own programming language and SDK, their own browser engine (that samsung uses), their own javascript engine, their own compiler, their own formats and their own programming patterns, their own stores, their own tables, their own employees, their own door knobs, their own aluminium alloys, their own gold alloy, their own glass, their own music streaming service (edited in their own DAW, listened in their own headphone line, and music videos edited in their own video editor, recorded in their own ProRes video codecs) their own messaging and telephony platforms, their own forest to make their product boxes, and their own solar panels to power up everything.

Samsung be like "there is money to be made selling phones? Better start copying the market innovator, just like we do vacuum cleaners".

The post topic is VR...

Anyhow I don't think VR on a phone is that useable I would even question the usefulness on a computer for now. 2k screens are obviously not good enough for a decent VR experience and 4k screens might have to wait till mid 2017. I expect to see HTC Vive 2 and Occulus 2 by then, more mature products and of course a better plattform support.

I'm eager to try a Vive out for myself but the waiting line in store is insane, not going to waste 60 Minutes just for 5 minutes of VR. If the Hololens wasn't like 2.500 $ I would have tried one but to me it's just to much for glasses I might use frequently.
 

joeblow7777

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If VR involves slapping a helmet on your head, it's not really there yet. If wireless charging can only be achieved by putting your phone on a pad, it's not really there yet.

I'd rather they waited until they could crack it; until it's a little beyond a niche gimmick.

I have to agree. I don't really see the big appeal of wireless charging or VR right now. If Apple wants to try them then sure, no harm in having more features. But I probably wouldn't use them anyway.
 
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