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Death of the Credit Card: How Apple Pay on iPad Could Change Business Forever

In Canada, we have NFC enabled phones as well as credit cards for point of purchase (Visa PayWave, MasterCard PayPass and Amex has wireless also). I've used both methods of payment, with my phone and with my credit card.

I prefer my credit card because it is much faster. About one second with my credit card versus many seconds with my phone. The speed of the transaction is the key for me.


A few seconds of speed vs the Security that every random merchant doesn't get store your acct number.

Lets hope the majority or consumers are more intelligent than you.

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Credit cards will never die nor will cash.


And 640kb of memory is enough for anyone!

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Of course, as was said, people own different devices, so Apple would have to open up Apple Pay. It's possible that may happen. If Apple makes a fee even from android users by using Apple Pay, It just might make sense to open it up.



Time will tell...


Apple Pay banks on TouchID and their hardware secure element. Apple Pay is not coming to Android.

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There's another topic that has not been brought up. ALOT of my customers are Android users. In fact, more of them are Android than Apple.



I duno, just a point I had to make..


PayWithISIS, their app on an NFC supporting Android handset, and a secure SIM. And you can have EMVco tokenization compliant transactions on Android... In theory.

They just have to finish rolling out their system.
 
A few seconds of speed vs the Security that every random merchant doesn't get store your acct number.

Lets hope the majority or consumers are more intelligent than you.

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And 640kb of memory is enough for anyone!

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Apple Pay banks on TouchID and their hardware secure element. Apple Pay is not coming to Android.

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PayWithISIS, their app on an NFC supporting Android handset, and a secure SIM. And you can have EMVco tokenization compliant transactions on Android... In theory.

They just have to finish rolling out their system.

^^ those are some pretty damn good points. It seems from your posts you're not dismissing the idea that NFC could take over. What are your views on all of it? Do you think the credit card is going the way of the dinosaur (or at least used like how we use checks) like me, or is this all possibly just novelty for the tech obsessed?
 
^^ those are some pretty damn good points. It seems from your posts you're not dismissing the idea that NFC could take over. What are your views on all of it? Do you think the credit card is going the way of the dinosaur (or at least used like how we use checks) like me, or is this all possibly just novelty for the tech obsessed?
I admit it's a superior system.

Credit Card is not going anyway. We still have paper checks...

We still have 70+yr old people that only know checks, and won't learn a new system.
We still have 40+yr old people that know credit cards, and won't learn a new system.
Even ApplePay is based on scanning credit card into the system.

Credit Cards have another good 50years+ left in them.

Somewhere, maybe 10yrs out, a young generation might go NFC smartphone only for payments.
Just like my generation started going near cash-less/check-less.
 
I admit it's a superior system.

Credit Card is not going anyway. We still have paper checks...

We still have 70+yr old people that only know checks, and won't learn a new system.
We still have 40+yr old people that know credit cards, and won't learn a new system.
Even ApplePay is based on scanning credit card into the system.

Credit Cards have another good 50years+ left in them.

Somewhere, maybe 10yrs out, a young generation might go NFC smartphone only for payments.
Just like my generation started going near cash-less/check-less.

I agree, I work at a bank and I have a hard time getting some customers to slide their card through the terminal to be able to view their account info because they don't think the technology is secure.
 
A few seconds of speed vs the Security that every random merchant doesn't get store your acct number.

Lets hope the majority or consumers are more intelligent than you.


Transaction time is more important to me. I don't care and I don't shop at random merchants. My credit card company/bank backs me up if there is ever fraud.
 
@ GrindedDown: Your post seems to be based on a complete misunderstanding of what Apple Pay actually is.

Apple Pay cannot be the "Death of the Credit Card", because the user needs a debit or credit card in order for Apple Pay to work. It uses your credit card, except that through some clever technical tricks the credit card number and other details are hidden from the merchant.

And Apple Pay cannot be used _at all_ to receive payments.
 
@ GrindedDown: Your post seems to be based on a complete misunderstanding of what Apple Pay actually is.

Apple Pay cannot be the "Death of the Credit Card", because the user needs a debit or credit card in order for Apple Pay to work. It uses your credit card, except that through some clever technical tricks the credit card number and other details are hidden from the merchant.

And Apple Pay cannot be used _at all_ to receive payments.
NFC is 2-way. While the way ApplePay is implemented at the moment cannot be used to receive payments, it's certainly a possibility in the future with the right software (and security measures).

That said, I do think ApplePay will make contactless payments in the US more popular. I'm not sure if earlier forms used RFID or NFC but contactless payments have been available for years. I remember having used it at 7/11 while I was still at my old job and that was over 7 years ago.
 
@ GrindedDown: Your post seems to be based on a complete misunderstanding of what Apple Pay actually is.

Apple Pay cannot be the "Death of the Credit Card", because the user needs a debit or credit card in order for Apple Pay to work. It uses your credit card, except that through some clever technical tricks the credit card number and other details are hidden from the merchant.

And Apple Pay cannot be used _at all_ to receive payments.

Partially true. I certainly understand that a credit card is still required, but I am speculating based on the introduction of this technology that credit cards will merely become another account number and the use of the physical card will die down. The reasoning being increased security of Apple Pay being used by a device that can physically be tracked, convenience factor of not having to carry a credit card, and more. Like was noted, we still have and use checks. We'll still use credit cards.

What I wrote wasn't a misunderstanding of what Apple Pay is, but rather a conjecture as to what this technology could become and the impact it could have. The use of Apple Pay to accept payments is educated guesswork based on Apple's purported interest in Square, which relies on accepting transactions, and also Apple's interest in becoming involved in payments. Apple is certainly interested in maximizing profits. It would be irrational to think that Apple hasn't considered accepting payments as another future way to monetize Apple Pay. I believe that is where iPad could fit in in regards to Apple Pay.

Using iPad to only make payments with Apple Pay is about as convenient as it is to use iPad as your out-and-about camera. It can work, but your also that guy.

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NFC is 2-way. While the way ApplePay is implemented at the moment cannot be used to receive payments, it's certainly a possibility in the future with the right software (and security measures).

That said, I do think ApplePay will make contactless payments in the US more popular. I'm not sure if earlier forms used RFID or NFC but contactless payments have been available for years. I remember having used it at 7/11 while I was still at my old job and that was over 7 years ago.

Yeah I've seen it around for some time and I remember using my chase card a long time ago to make transactions. It seemed like more novelty than anything. The only real difference was that you didn't have to swipe, but you still had to carry a card, swipe it near the machine, and the cards full information was still transmitted to the retailer.

Its my understanding that those systems used RFID in the cards and an NFC style terminal would simply read the tags information. The main difference being that was one way communication whereas the style of NFC now used is capable of two way communication so it's now capable of both passing and receiving information. Kinda just an evolution of the RFID system.

I agree with you completely though. This technology is not totally new though there seems to be some innovation on Apple's part. This would seem to me to be the tipping point though. The technology has been around, but now people are actually going to start using it. I think this marks the very beginning of the widespread adoption.

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Transaction time is more important to me. I don't care and I don't shop at random merchants. My credit card company/bank backs me up if there is ever fraud.

It seems Apple Pay will be just as quick, possibly even quicker than having to swipe and sign or enter in a pin code. I guess that remains to be seen, but based on how they positioned it in the keynote, they seem to know that this is the only way people will really begin to use it. Has to be just as fast or faster and more secure.

I guess we'll see, huh?
 
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