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Deconstructing the Anti-Glare VS Glossy myth. AKA beware of liars.

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Bobby Corwen said:
Let me make this clear for everyone, you do NOT get away with having anti-glare AND keeping the same color vibrancy and sharpness. It's either or.
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Hey little kid, i'm sure no one told you this, but the industry uses anti-glare displays wherever possible.

Large banks, DTP-houses, hospitals, advertising agencies, government agencies and so on, they all use anti-glare displays. In some high-tech countries, the local laws require a certain workplace environment, which includes anti-glare displays.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
THE SOUND APPROACH:

GLOSSY
Pros: Enjoyable vibrant beautiful screen in it's true form.
Cons: More Reflective

ANTI-GLARE
Pros: Reduces Glare
Cons: Reduces vibrancy and looks duller.



THE BIASED APPROACH (LIARS)

GLOSSY
Pros: none
Cons: More Reflective

ANTI-GLARE
Pros: Reduces Glare
Cons: none


Let me make this clear for everyone, you do NOT get away with having anti-glare AND keeping the same color vibrancy and sharpness. It's either or.

Please, from now on, when people ask for advice considering AG vs Glossy, please tell the full story and don't phrase it like as if the decision is simply: do you want to have glare on your screen or not? Its rather: do you want to have glare and a nicer picture, or do you want anti-glare and a duller picture?

Dont forget to throw that caveat in every, single, time, please. (If you want to be honest with yourselves that is)
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Whatever. That's certainly not my experience, and I have two MBPs -- one with a 15" standard screen and one with a 15" HR AG screen. But if it makes you feel better.
 
Good thought there! I love my glossy. I've always had glossy.. and I'm afraid to switch.. so I won't. The glare can be a little too much sometimes, but I chose the glossy.. and I get over it. It's all in your head!
 
why does this Bobby guy care? It is all personal preference - hence the options Apple provides. You want it, great get Matte. Don't want it, save your money and don't buy it.

And the argument about the colours being accurate and such. I didn't know that Apple uses IPS panel LCDs in their MBP line. Anyone who HAS TO have ACCURATE colours WILL NOT be doing work on a laptop. Don't believe me? Go into any gallery and ask if the photos were edited on a laptop. I bet they were not.

I had Matte on my Classic MBP for over 2 years. I got a replacement machine 2 months ago or so, and I got a glossy. I travel a alot on the train, and it was unusable most of the time. Apple swapped me screens, and I can't be happier. That is just me.
 
HBOC said:
why does this Bobby guy care? I
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hahaha.. this has been going on all day!

To recap, there are 4 factions:
1. Bobby and whatever he's trying to accomplish
2. People like you who basically say "what's it matter to you, it's personal preference" (I started out in that camp)
3. People who throw the BS back at Bobby
4. People who write random nonsense in order to communicate that the entire long thread is based on random nonsense "sound reasoning". That would be me. No one got the Zappa reference and I was disappointed.
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Hey, Bobby. Let me ask you a series of related questions, please. Have you ever helped another forum member with a problem, or answered a question? Have you ever worked with other people to solve a problem? Have ever at least asked a question, a technical one, and received an answer and said "thank you"?

Please let me qualify each of those questions by asking if you did any of that without spewing hyperbole or psycho-statistical-logic-mumbojumbo?

If you answered "yes" to any of those questions then lets see some links. If you can't, then why are you even here? To me this place is about people helping other people (without the hyperbole) and learning from one another about better ways to do things or trending common problems as they emerge. That's why I think this board is valuable and that's why I donate money to them every year (I renewed today in spite of this thread).

Thanks,

John
 
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johnnj said:
hahaha.. this has been going on all day!

To recap, there are 4 factions:
1. Bobby and whatever he's trying to accomplish
2. People like you who basically say "what's it matter to you, it's personal preference" (I started out in that camp)
3. People who throw the BS back at Bobby
4. People who write random nonsense in order to communicate that the entire long thread is based on random nonsense "sound reasoning". That would be me. No one got the Zappa reference and I was disappointed.
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Hey, Bobby. Let me ask you a series of related questions, please. Have you ever helped another forum member with a problem, or answered a question? Have you ever worked with other people to solve a problem? Have ever at least asked a question, a technical one, and received an answer and said "thank you"?

Please let me qualify each of those questions by asking if you did any of that without spewing hyperbole or psycho-statistical-logic-mumbojumbo?

If you answered "yes" to any of those questions then lets see some links. If you can't, then why are you even here? To me this place is about people helping other people (without the hyperbole) and learning from one another about better ways to do things or trending common problems as they emerge. That's why I think this board is valuable and that's why I donate money to them every year (I renewed today in spite of this thread).

Thanks,

John
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WELL JOHN, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.

As it so happens, yes, I do participate as a responsible member of this community, you can rest assured that I "give back."

Why just the other day I helped this young man solve his issue in this little thread right here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1138759/

Heres one for example where I actually both help out, AND ask a question so I believe it fits two of your criteria. I didn't get a chance to say thank you, but I was thinking it:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1136196/

A 3rd example:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1137574/

So as you can see, I am all about the community and giving back.

Sending out positive vibes )))))))))))))))
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Bobby Corwen said:
WELL JOHN, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.

As it so happens, yes, I do participate as a responsible member of this community, you can rest assured that I "give back."

Why just the other day I helped this young man solve his issue in this little thread right here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1138759/

Heres one for example where I actually both help out, AND ask a question so I believe it fits two of your criteria. I didn't get a chance to say thank you, but I was thinking it:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1136196/

A 3rd example:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1137574/

So as you can see, I am all about the community and giving back.

Sending out positive vibes )))))))))))))))
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Ok so..
1. You told the other guy that the hard drive interface was SATA. Brilliant. Perhaps you'd like to start a thread about the network port being 1000-base-T RJ45. It would be very informative, I'm sure.

2. You said that "cool thing to do these days; all the cool kids are doing this" are putting two different drives in. Well, me and a bunch of other people were doing that 3 years ago with the original IDE Optibay. I'm also guessing you haven't done this yourself so to provide any insight into the configuration or the actual procedure or what results one can expect. You're just regurgitating stuff someone else said on any number of other threads on the subject.

Then you recommend that the OP buy a Thunderbolt drive for external storage. Umm... there aren't any yet. Not just yet. But.... there are 1394-b drives in stores now! Buy one today!

3. "washed-out depression-causing layer of anti glare because its considered the tricked-out maxed out version" disqualified due to hyperbole. And guess what? It's about the anti-glare conspiracy! Oh, how it is insidious.
 
johnnj said:
Ok so..
1. You told the other guy that the hard drive interface was SATA. Brilliant. Perhaps you'd like to start a thread about the network port being 1000-base-T RJ45. It would be very informative, I'm sure.

2. You said that "cool thing to do these days; all the cool kids are doing this" are putting two different drives in. Well, me and a bunch of other people were doing that 3 years ago with the original IDE Optibay. I'm also guessing you haven't done this yourself so to provide any insight into the configuration or the actual procedure or what results one can expect. You're just regurgitating stuff someone else said on any number of other threads on the subject.

Then you recommend that the OP buy a Thunderbolt drive for external storage. Umm... there aren't any yet. Not just yet. But.... there are 1394-b drives in stores now! Buy one today!

3. "washed-out depression-causing layer of anti glare because its considered the tricked-out maxed out version" disqualified due to hyperbole. And guess what? It's about the anti-glare conspiracy! Oh, how it is insidious.
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John, I clicked on your link and I couldn't help but notice you've been a photographer for almost 10 years!

Can you offer some of your real insight about this topic?
 
Have used both over the years and MUCH prefer my glossy screen on my MBP. I work in an office environment with lotsa of overhead lighting and sure there are some reflections in such an environment but damn people can exaggerate about everything being unreadable, I've never had a problem.
 
I have the glossy. I don't really get reflections unless I'm outside, and I don't use my MBP outside often, so it doesn't really bother me. I do have to say I think the AG being better in "most situations" is an exaggeration. It's certainly better in sunlight, but I've never noticed any problems indoors. Plus, I prefer the black bezel, I don't do any color work, and it's where I watch my shows and movies, so the pop is nice.

*shrug*

I don't see why it has to be such a holy war. For either side.
 
I can't believe I just read this whole thread...

It's upsetting because I hate it when people argue like Bobby does, especially when I agree with their argument.

I think the glossy screen is prettier. I have an AG on my work MBP, but I'm planning to order a new personal MBP with a glossy screen soon.
 
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Just picked up my AG today. I was using a Sony Z because it had a terrific AG display and specs Apple refuses to put in their 13. AG is softer on my eyes, allows me to enjoy my computing time better and looks fantastic.

I've been around the block with glassy Mac's and don't care for the screen temp. I also use AG on my iPhone.

It's not about anything else but user enjoyment. The one thing I can give glassy displays is the kid friendly usability. It's harder for them to damage the display by touching it. Also, cleaning glassy is easier.

I had a 13" MBP a few years back that was in it's bag while tracking. It must have gotten bumped because the screen was cracked side to side.

That sucked.
 
"Booby Coward - lol at "central scrutinizer."

johnnj said:
You don't seem like the Zappa type. You take things too seriously.
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Most junior schoolies would not even know who Zappa is, I think in another one of Boobys posts he said he was 11 years old. Booby is so serious for somebody barely out of diapers.
 
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I think every MacBook Pro should come with an interchangeable screen-mount and 2 screens (AG and G).

Think about how cool it would look in the Café if you pull out the AG screen and change it because someone behind you switch on the light! You would show those freakin background lights!
 
Bobby Corwen said:
John, I clicked on your link and I couldn't help but notice you've been a photographer for almost 10 years!

Can you offer some of your real insight about this topic?
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That's your answer to me calling you out on your alleged value to the community? Ok.

Sure, I'll answer your question... I'm an amateur photographer and I do it only for my own pleasure so my livelihood doesn't depend on my equipment.

That said, I don't use the laptop screen for any editing. I only use it for when I'm importing digital photos away from home and my calibrated monitors. These days I'm mostly shooting film so don't even do that because I need my scanner to do the imports.
 
It's highly individual. Some people can tune out the glare or get less of it by changing angles. For most people, however, if you are not sitting outside in the middle of a park on a sunny day doing a difficult Photoshop edit, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. If your workplace is more of a dictatorship in not allowing you to sit somewhere less reflective, you could just use *gasp* the company provided computer instead of your laptop.
 
JTToft said:
The color argument is irrelevant since with a glossy screen you will often have so many reflections you won't be able to see its nicer colors.

But in a completely dark room the glossy screen is no doubt awesome.
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That's true, but only when you have your backlight turned off. I know I keep mine on full brightness, allowing me to have brighter colors and a brighter display than matte screens in general.
 
johnnj said:
A little late to the party, but that's ok.

Because this is a Bobby Corwen thread. They're all awesome like this. Look for the one on "musis".

He's an evangelist for projectors and glossy displays.

...HEAR THE WORD OF THE CORWEN!
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haha, yeah I was at work. Still can't believe the arguing continues.... :eek::rolleyes: You may as well argue about which colour is best! Which is either blue or green by the way...
 
I totally agree with the OP. I love the glossy screen on my bog standard 15" MBP. The colour just pops!!! I can deal the glares and reflections! =D
 
johnnj said:
That's your answer to me calling you out on your alleged value to the community? Ok.

Sure, I'll answer your question... I'm an amateur photographer and I do it only for my own pleasure so my livelihood doesn't depend on my equipment.

That said, I don't use the laptop screen for any editing. I only use it for when I'm importing digital photos away from home and my calibrated monitors. These days I'm mostly shooting film so don't even do that because I need my scanner to do the imports.
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Do you use an IPS? or just LCD?

As for those examples, that was only within the last few days...

What about the time when I defended Fed Ex against the tyranny of hatred and then all of a sudden the poor guy got his package correctly delivered 10 minutes later? Coincidence?

Or what about the time when I willed the MBP refresh into happening in February through the sheer power of hope, I made it happen through the power of hope and willed it so, and sure enough the MBPs were refreshed in February like I said they would. Coincidence?
 
Personally I prefer the glossy screen, indoors it is 10000000 times better, and outdoors you just need to sit in a spot which hasnt a light going directly on your screen its ok, but i guess its just a matter of taste.
 
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