Originally posted by Moz
The peecee makers out there will continually copy Apple forever. Apple has always been the leader, and the one company that actually innovates new technologies, and new hardware, etc. Sometimes Apple's offerings miss the mark (Cube), but most of the time, after Apple's big success in a market, the peecee makers then try to copy. For christ's sake, this iPod by Dell is even white. I thought dell's color was black...???
Again, immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you dell, for showing us that Apple is the leader yet again, and you're bound to follow.
Haha, most of the time Apple's products are big successes in the market? Yeah, maybe if you're speaking about every product but their actual computer line.
PC users are bound to follow Apple? Come on... The computer world would be just fine if Apple up and vanished forever. That being said, however, it would be the same also if Intel or AMD or whoever did that. No one company drives the computing industry by itself.
The one thing I don't understand is why people say Apple is so innovative, and everybody else copies them. Christ, they don't even use their own OS anymore. Granted, they also didn't just rebrand a distribution of Linux, but OS X *is* Linux-based. I'd say that's worse than Dell making an mp3 player that has things similar to an iPod. Dell has never done it before, whereas Apple had made an attempt and OS's, only to give theirs up and adopt another.
Don't get me wrong... I am by no means saying what Apple did was wrong, I'm just arguing that there's *nothing* wrong with what Dell is doing, either. Apples use optical mice, speakers, monitors, keyboards, CD/DVD drives/burnders, etc. They didn't innovate that stuff. (Well, they innovated that crap one-button mouse that nobody likes...). There's nothing wrong with using any of it, though. If they didn't, they would fall behind.
Originally posted by Moz
ever lug a Nomad I around? I did. Not pretty!
Um... Unless you wear skin-tight pants, a Zen NX isn't at all hard to carry around with you, though an iPod is much, much easier. Then again, you'll also have to pay the extra $200 for it. Seeing the word rip-off thrown around so much, I'm surprised nobody's used it when referring to the price of an iPod. $500 for 40gb? I think not... It may be the best mp3 player, I'm not arguing that. But as a college student who is thousands & thousands of dollars in debt, $500 on an iPod is money poorly spent.
Somebody earlier mentioned that they were buying another iPod for their son or something like that... Sure, an iPod might be an obvious choice when $500 isn't that big of a deal, but to some people it's not that easy. That has always been one of my complaints with Apple... Price. I can go and build a top of the line nice PC (yes, an Apple is a PC... Blah, blah, blah. Get over the fact that the term isn't used like that anymore. Haha, maybe it points out the fact that an Apple isn't truly considered a personal computer to the general public, anymore) for much less than I could buy a top of the line Apple.
That's why Dell's DJ will be successful. For the average music listener, an iPod is probably to expensive. Most of these ppl have probably never bought a cd player over $100.
Originally posted by Belly-laughs
Stop defending your dad, man! If you ask him I bet he´d rather work at Apple.
Bold assumption there. I suppose he'd want to work there just like most ppl want to actually own an Apple. Er, wait a minute.
Originally posted by Wash!!
Wrong if the pcee world came out a product that is worth having I would buy it but they don't and that's a sad fact...and the reason I bash Dell is because he just copies Apple the others do not they make a nock off and sell it but they do go around saying is innovation or are the first. There is a big difference there...the pcee industry is an stand still with innovation and waiting for Apple to come out with the next big thing and that is sad for a company like Dell that makes millions to wait for someone else to created it and they just copy it but then again the whole pcee industry is like that...so can't wait for next big innovation from Dell
I don't see why everybody thinks there's something wrong with selling unoriginal ideas. Think about department stores like Wal-Mart and Target. Neither of them make the products they sell (well, there are the few products, but for the most part...), and nobody complains. Dell more or less works the same way. Instead of buying products from the manufacturer, though, they actually manufacture the product in order to save money. If you notice the quote somebody posted early by Dell, he said something about creating the first *affordable* mp3 player w/ all those features & stuff. He didn't say anything wrong. There's virtually no doubt that Dell's DJ will cost less than an iPod, hence it'll be more affordable.
What this makes me think of is car companies like Kia. They aren't the first car company, but they also aren't the first car company that tries to create very affordable cars. Nobody said they were ripping off other cheap car companies when they started, though. Why? Because the average person has come to terms with the fact that the car market is a big one, and there's a big chance for profit, whether or not your product is the first of its kind. This is something that most Apple fanatics seem to forget. Some companies exist simply to make money, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure Dell has never been in the financial trouble that Apple was a few years ago. So tell me who has the better business model?
Originally posted by Wash!!
they have taken lessons from m$ school of business why create something better when I can copied and claim they invented.
Apple is the only real innovator in the pc industry and the other with all they millons can even come up with an original idea even if their lives depend on it.
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I hate people who refuse to admit that, for the most part, Microsoft's products are good products. The Office Suite is one of the most versatile program suites available. Windows XP is a great operating system. Past releases could have been argued, but XP is by far the best they've ever created. IE is a pretty good browser. I actually don't use it. I use Firebird, b/c I prefer the extra features (tabs, in particular) that it offers. Granted, in almost every category of product that they create, there is probably something that is arguably better, but that doesn't mean that MS's aren't good.
As far as Dell innovation, let's not forget that they were the first widely used online retailer of computers. Nobody did it like they did before them. Now Apple sells their computers online. Rip-off? No. They realized that it was a smart thing to do, and decided to do it too.
Originally posted by Phil of Mac
One may say, correctly, that the iPod was neither the first MP3 player nor the first hard-drive based MP3 player. That is correct. One may also correctly say that Elvis Presley wasn't the first rock and roll musician. However, much like Elvis, the iPod is the one that gave compressed digital music the critical mass, and took upon itself all the demand for such a device that it created. In other words, the iPod is "The King".
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Luckily for the world, Elvis's fans didn't think everybody who sang rock and roll was ripping him off.
Originally posted by Phil of Mac
Apple's way is more admirable, in a way. Dell's is also successful, however. Apple shoots high in quality, and consequentially in price, while Dell shoots low in price, and consequentially in quality. Two business models.
And for a parting shot: Without Apple, there can be no Dell. Without Apple, whose products is Dell going to make cheap knockoffs of?
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I suppose you've never bought a cheaper product and thought it was actually better than the competition. I just don't understand why you assume that just because Dell computers are cheaper that they're automatically of less quality. One of the big reasons they're less is that there's no middleman retailer. You would think that Apple would attempt to follow the same strategy, but obviously they don't. You can buy an iPod at their site for the same price as, if not more than, you could at a different online retailer. Seems to me that they're obviously screwing the consumer in order to make a little extra profit from each sale.
Without Apple there could be no Dell, huh? What in the world could you be smoking? Do you seriously think that if Apple didn't exist, Dell wouldn't? Last I checked, they sold PCs and PC peripherals, which have very little to do with the Apple market. I find it hard to believe that you could be so blinded by your love for Apple that you think it is because of them that Dell exists.
