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You people are really naive if you think Apple was the first to think of the idea of an online music store. This was being talked about years ago during the dot-com era (I know, I was working at one such dot-com that was trying to do it), but no one was able to get the record labels to buy into it and license their content. Apple was the first to be able to do it, precisely because they have a small, self-contained market. The record labels were just testing the waters with Apple to see if they really wanted to do something like this. Once the tests showed that money could be made, they opened up their content to others like buymusic and Dell. It was the record labels that were holding this idea back... Don't get me wrong, Apple has a wonderful record of great innovations (and I'm a proud Mac user), but the online music store really can't be counted as such (neither can the iPod -- sorry, Rio gets the original innovation prize for a portable digital music player). In both cases, Apple was just implementing ideas that had already been around for years.

Are you really surprised that others are going to do this once the labels allow them to? People have been waiting years to get the permission to open sites like this.
 
Originally posted by iPost
Don't get me wrong, Apple has a wonderful record of great innovations (and I'm a proud Mac user), but the online music store really can't be counted as such (neither can the iPod -- sorry, Rio gets the original innovation prize for a portable digital music player). In both cases, Apple was just implementing ideas that had already been around for years.

Other than the Newton and the QuickTake digital camera, Apple has not had a "record of great innovations" if you mean inventing something entirely of their own.

There were personal computers before the Apple II. But the Apple II was the first one normal people would actually buy.

There were GUI's before the Lisa and the Mac. However, the Lisa and the Mac were much better and mass marketed.

There were portable CDM (compressed digital music) players before the iPod. Except for the iPod, they all sucked, and largely still do.

(I say compressed digital music instead of digital music because CD's are digital music.)

There were online music stores before iTMS. I bought music from one of them. However, except for iTMS, they all suck.

Apple rarely invents things. What Apple does is improve things. That is the nature of their innovation, and both iTMS and iPod can be counted as Apple innovations.
 
Originally posted by SeaFox
1) Don't most of the other music stores use WMA files?
2) Apple would be using AAC and Quicktime would surely be a required component in iTunes for Windows.
3) Wasn't Microsoft working on their own music store?
:rolleyes:

Next you'll ask me why GM would want to keep Ford from making SUV's.

I highly doubt MS would deliberately sabotage iTunes in any case. It would be more trouble than it's worth.
 
Awwwww...

Originally posted by Nutzoids
I give it just a few short years until Apple Takes over the market share...Well at least hits it hard...and makes the PC world rock something feirce! We are at the for-front of a revolution!

How I would love you to be proven right in due time. I just don't believe it right now. Hopefully they can (re)gain the trust they (admittedly really do) deserve and build upon that to become a L.A.R.G.E. player O.U.T.T.H.E.R.E.

Gawd, how I hope that'll happen...

:(
 
iPod and Dull

You do realize that if the MMMS (MusicMatch Music Store) uses Windows Media it will not work on the iPod, don't you? The iPod is the leading music player (not necessairily MP3.) And even if the Dell DJtakes away say 20% of the market for the iPod, people will probably still be buying it. And there will be plenty of people who already have one. Like BuyMusic, the MMMS may not work with the iPod!
 
Re: Awwwww...

Originally posted by Bengt77
How I would love you to be proven right in due time. I just don't believe it right now. Hopefully they can (re)gain the trust they (admittedly really do) deserve and build upon that to become a L.A.R.G.E. player O.U.T.T.H.E.R.E.

Gawd, how I hope that'll happen...

:(


Ok well lets look at this Giant push forward that Apple is doing... Shall we?

Before Apple was just fine with what they did. To a lot of people...And I mean A LOT...iTMS for Windows is going to be there first Apple experience...The same thing holds true for the iPod...Before if you were a Mac user there was tons of Microsoft products you could use...Apple is getting rid of most of them...Opting for Mac software. Now Apple is crossing over to the world of PCs.We (Apple and there users) are invading the Microsoft world...And you can tell there getting nervous!


:D
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I highly doubt MS would deliberately sabotage iTunes in any case. It would be more trouble than it's worth.

It would certainly fit into past character for MS. They've hobbled competitor's products in the past without any major repercussions except a finger wagging and "Now cut that out!" from the courts.
 
Originally posted by QuiteSure


At that point, the Windows world will have their first Apple experience, which will far surpass the other experiences available. As witness to this experience, their first actual, first-hand view of Apple products and superior user experience, this vast unwashed mass of Windows users will begin to consider whether, just as the iTMS is more pleasurable to use than its Windows-based competition, the Apple computer experience is similarly superior to the Windows user experience.


This is exactly why it doesn't matter when iTMS for Windows comes out. It is far more important that Apple gets it right rather than being first.

Dell, and Buy.com and others in the future will follow suit but what will set Apple apart is the experience. For all those who griped that Apple should have been first, I say who cares. The competition would have followed either way. It's the great software, slection, and ease of use that will keep them coming back.
 
Re: I knew this would happen

Originally posted by tYNS
It has taken WAY too long to get the PC version of iTunes out now. Many alternatives have filled the void. It is basically going to be a struggle to get people to download there software and use it now. As a previous writer wrote, dell has desktop dominance and will surely bundle musicmatch music store software on their machines.

it's going to be no struggle to download PC iTunes for iPod owners.

Apple should release the PC iTMS and boom! right then and there drop the base iPod price to $199 for a 5GB iPod. don't know if HDDs that small are still being manufactured, though.

btw, has anyone checked out the musicmatch web site, yet? from the screenshots, their store is so amazingly similar to the iTMS with the blue background, the arrows, and the round silver buy buttons. still, that doesn't make it look as user-friendly for some reason. if i were designing an online music store, i'd copy it just as well.
 
Re: iPod vs. Creative.

Originally posted by tychay
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BTW, the fact that they are rebranding MusicMatch shows that unlike Apple, Dell is not leveraging their internet infrastructure to support digital downloads. Nor are they leveraging their supply chain advantages in producing the player. Nor is their any retail advantage beyond "bundling"--a big advantage for a big ticket item like a computer, but negligible for a consumer item like an MP3 player. While Dell's strategy is in keeping with their modus operandi, it is a much weaker offering than it appears because it doesn't play to their strengths and does nothing to overcome perceived Dell weaknesses: they have no previous experience in software; they do not develop any hardware but simply streamline hardware component assembly and bundling; they close themselves out to retailers through direct sale.

Exactly... This is a me-too offering, and hardly deserves the rancor that people are throwing at it...

I mean, may as well complain that Dell makes computers in a market where Apple makes them too...

The iPod is a sweet device-- it's no surprise that others-- Creative, Dell, whoever, would take some cues from what does well in the market.

The iPod has been largely unchanged from it's original release-- most likely because there's not much they can do to improve it at this point. Not surprising that if Apple can't figure out how to improve it that Creative wouldn't be able to think of anything either...

I'm kind of surprised that Dell is taking a step into the online music market-- it's pretty far from their core competences... I guess that's why they just re-branded another service.

I wonder if they talked to Apple about re-badging iTMS, or rebadging the iPod. I'd guess that Apple would refuse such a deal... Shame, because it would really boost Apple's volumes, but I think Apple is more interested in trying to establish their own presence...

Also interesting that a company so focused on buisness users would make such a huge step towards consumers... Maybe they see this as a way of establishing themselves as a consumer company as well.

Dell's doing nothing more than sticking their toe in the water at this point. They want to look at expanding their market image, and to do that they need their name on it. If they put their name on an iPod people would be much more upset.

Yes, this means Apple won't have this market to themselves. They'll have to compete, and settle for a market share rather than the whole market. My guess is they'll do what they've done in the past and produce a higher quality product targeted at a smaller share of the market and they'll go on living as a successful company with happy and loyal customers.

If WMA becomes a standard (god forbid), then iPod will start to support it-- or it will die. I'm sure MS would be happy to see their codecs running on whatever hardware is out there.

If the DRM is too restrictive, the market will die and the labels will continue to see their revenue diminish.

Or we'll all just look at each other and say "baaaaaa" while we wait for the labels to fleece us...

If no one else is willing to, then I'll be the one to wish Dell the best of luck in their new venture. The more, the merrier. Online music sales will become standard, MP3 players will be the new walkman, and now there's one more powerful voice telling the labels they're too tight and charging too much.

And when the Recording Industry Ass. of America gets up in front of Congress again to whine about how Internet distribution is killing their buisness, Dell will be standing with Jobs saying that any curtailment would kill theirs.
 
Originally posted by j33pd0g
I don't think Gates will allow a windows version of iTunes. It'll be out for a half a day and then mysteriously it'll be pulled at the request of Microsoft. Back on topic: The dell DJ store will only be for DJ's, right? And it'll bite.
If Microsoft were to force iTunes for Windows out of the picture, I think it would again raise legal questions for Microsoft. You know, anti-competitve practice, abuse of dominant position, etc... I don't think Microsoft would want to do that just now.
 
Invention vs Innovation

Originally posted by iPost
You people are really naive if you think Apple was the first to think of the idea of an online music store. This was being talked about years ago during the dot-com era (I know, I was working at one such dot-com that was trying to do it), but no one was able to get the record labels to buy into it and license their content. Apple was the first to be able to do it, precisely because they have a small, self-contained market. The record labels were just testing the waters with Apple to see if they really wanted to do something like this. Once the tests showed that money could be made, they opened up their content to others like buymusic and Dell. It was the record labels that were holding this idea back... Don't get me wrong, Apple has a wonderful record of great innovations (and I'm a proud Mac user), but the online music store really can't be counted as such (neither can the iPod -- sorry, Rio gets the original innovation prize for a portable digital music player). In both cases, Apple was just implementing ideas that had already been around for years.

Are you really surprised that others are going to do this once the labels allow them to? People have been waiting years to get the permission to open sites like this.


I think people are confusing these two words.


From Dictionary.com


Invention

\In*ven"tion\, n. [L. inventio: cf. F. invention. See Invent.] 1. The act of finding out or inventing; contrivance or construction of that which has not before existed; as, the invention of logarithms; the invention of the art of printing.


Innovate

v : bring something new to an environment; "A new word processor was introduced" [syn: introduce]
 
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