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Dell P2715Q and P2415Q 4K IPS Displays
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Aperture or Lightroom
That's disappointing, since with Apple's ending support I've been preparing to make the switch from Aperture to Lightroom.
Lightroom runs on Mac as well as on PC ... no need to worry about that!
Hugh
Windows in the Parallels VM
Some slight misunderstanding of my question here ... no way will I go back to a Windows PC. BUT I need to use some Windows programs, so have Parallels on my rMBP 15" late 2013 with all the goodies.
What scaling is necessary on windows run like this? For example, I run Outlook 2010 in the Parallels VM with Windows 7. Am I going to have to buy a telescope to read the words if I had a P2415Q? Would Windows 10 be a better OS to run in that situation?
And is there a reason to buy the 2715Q compared to the 2415Q? I think 24" will give me enough desk space for my photo editing but are there other reasons (like scaling for example) that would lead me to the 2715Q?
Thanks,
Hugh
Some slight misunderstanding of my question here ... no way will I go back to a Windows PC. BUT I need to use some Windows programs, so have Parallels on my rMBP 15" late 2013 with all the goodies.
What scaling is necessary on windows run like this? For example, I run Outlook 2010 in the Parallels VM with Windows 7. Am I going to have to buy a telescope to read the words if I had a P2415Q? Would Windows 10 be a better OS to run in that situation?
And is there a reason to buy the 2715Q compared to the 2415Q? I think 24" will give me enough desk space for my photo editing but are there other reasons (like scaling for example) that would lead me to the 2715Q?
Thanks,
Hugh
Help me with connecting P2715Q to RiMac...
I am getting confused about running the Dell 4K P2715Q monitor as a second display for a Retina iMac. I think when I first connected it up yesterday it was working in full resolution, but today it seems to be stuck in 2560 x 1440 (see screen shots). The "Default for display" selection is the same as the max scaled resolution.
It is connected via mDP-to-DP input with the iMac, and also connected as the primary display to a 2012 Mac Pro GTX 680 4GB via DP-to-mDP input. It seems to be working fine with the Mac Pro at 4K resolution.
What am I doing wrong ... or how can I fix this?
Thanks...
I am getting confused about running the Dell 4K P2715Q monitor as a second display for a Retina iMac. I think when I first connected it up yesterday it was working in full resolution, but today it seems to be stuck in 2560 x 1440 (see screen shots). The "Default for display" selection is the same as the max scaled resolution.
It is connected via mDP-to-DP input with the iMac, and also connected as the primary display to a 2012 Mac Pro GTX 680 4GB via DP-to-mDP input. It seems to be working fine with the Mac Pro at 4K resolution.
What am I doing wrong ... or how can I fix this?
Thanks...
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You won't like my first suggestion - send your riMac to me and I'll fix it. Note that I didn't write that I'll send it back...
I had the same issue with one of the several P2715Q monitors I recently ordered, and a similar issue as the one you're describing - it even showed up on my personal rMBP. The 4k option was showing up the first couple of times and, then, not. Vexing, that...
What's fixed it is first changing the EDID of the two monitors I'm using then downloading and installing SwitchResX. For some reason the Displays System Preference setting isn't "sticking", and I can't offer an explanation why. I edited the EDID to change the display from a "television" - which is how I was seeing the 4k options - to a DisplayPort device, but then 4k options weren't available, which is where SwitchResX came in to fix that. Both "hacks" are mentioned several times in this thread, and props to those posters - PM me if you need more info regarding the EDID hack. There are so many more resolution options available with SwitchResX.
Oh, and PM me if you want me to "fix" your riMac... I'll give you the ship-to address!
That's disappointing, since with Apple's ending support I've been preparing to make the switch from Aperture to Lightroom.
Lightroom runs on Mac as well as on PC ... no need to worry about that!
Hugh
I was referring to the observations in the video where Lightroom performance while applying filters wasn't nearly as fast as Aperture. It's a shame that Adobe hasn't optimized the product as much as they could. Probably won't keep me from switching though because there really aren't any better options.
You won't like my first suggestion - send your riMac to me and I'll fix it. Note that I didn't write that I'll send it back...
I had the same issue with one of the several P2715Q monitors I recently ordered, and a similar issue as the one you're describing - it even showed up on my personal rMBP. The 4k option was showing up the first couple of times and, then, not. Vexing, that...
What's fixed it is first changing the EDID of the two monitors I'm using then downloading and installing SwitchResX. For some reason the Displays System Preference setting isn't "sticking", and I can't offer an explanation why. I edited the EDID to change the display from a "television" - which is how I was seeing the 4k options - to a DisplayPort device, but then 4k options weren't available, which is where SwitchResX came in to fix that. Both "hacks" are mentioned several times in this thread, and props to those posters - PM me if you need more info regarding the EDID hack. There are so many more resolution options available with SwitchResX.
Oh, and PM me if you want me to "fix" your riMac... I'll give you the ship-to address!
Well ... thanks for the generous offer ...
I will check out the EDID hack a bit before I pack it up to ship it off to you.
Thanks for the info.
So i just picked up a Acer B326HK 32" monitor. It was $400 more than the Dell P2715q but i can consolidate to single display vs dual display. Any thoughts vs the Dell?
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I've switched to Capture One Pro. Much more "aperture like" than Lightroom and very powerful and customizable.
I also tried mDP>mDP 1.2 cables, ordered from Amazon (Cable Matters brand). No go.
I talked with one of the "Geniuses" at the Pioneer Place Apple Store. He offered a P.C.-tinged response that rMBPs are not designed to drive two 4k monitors. He tried steering me to a nMP...
I did offer that I can drive two 4k monitors, daisy-chained together, in a mirrored fashion, and that Matrox informally related that Apple's sandboxing is preventing them from offering a hardware solution for 10.9 and 10.10.
I asked if he'd check with his business unit to see if there's a hardware solution and he said he'd get back to me. I also offered that I'd be cancelling an order for 6 rMBPs with discrete graphics cards until I heard back from him.
Is there anyone out there that had attempted to drive two of these or other 4k monitors with a rMBP that has only integrated graphics? I'm tempted to order one just to test this out...
I also tried mDP>mDP 1.2 cables, ordered from Amazon (Cable Matters brand). No go.
I talked with one of the "Geniuses" at the Pioneer Place Apple Store. He offered a P.C.-tinged response that rMBPs are not designed to drive two 4k monitors. He tried steering me to a nMP...
I did offer that I can drive two 4k monitors, daisy-chained together, in a mirrored fashion, and that Matrox informally related that Apple's sandboxing is preventing them from offering a hardware solution for 10.9 and 10.10.
I asked if he'd check with his business unit to see if there's a hardware solution and he said he'd get back to me. I also offered that I'd be cancelling an order for 6 rMBPs with discrete graphics cards until I heard back from him.
Is there anyone out there that had attempted to drive two of these or other 4k monitors with a rMBP that has only integrated graphics? I'm tempted to order one just to test this out...
From what I have read and seen on this issue, you can't run both 4K monitors at 4K and 60Hz each. But you can run them with one at 60Hz and another at 30 Hz. Even if you could run them both at 4K and 60Hz, the performance would not be great, and the system would run fans all the time to cool off the GPU. Right now, I think only the Mac Pro is capable of running dual 4K monitors at full resolution, and I would only try that with a model which had the D700s.
On my late 2013 rMBP without discrete GPU, I have a 34" ultra-wide 3440x1440 monitor and a P2715Q, running them both at 60Hz, and I don't have MAJOR performance issues. But when I'm using 4K content and watching video on the P2715Q, it heats up the GPU and the fans kick on. I would imagine that if I were doing 4K photo or video work and then also trying to run videos on the second ultra-wide monitor, that my performance would suffer and that my system fans would be running a lot.
4K is early in popular adoption, and the hardware, at least on the Apple side, is yet to keep up. I think this is where they miss Jobs - I bet he would have been more likely to speed up acceptance and the hardware and drivers required to keep the 4K crowd happier.
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I have the 32" Samsung at home, and 27" Dell at home. What I found is that I run them both at 2560x1440, so I don't really get extra real-estate out of the 32".
4K just doesn't really have enough resolution to keep that "retina look" at higher resolutions on a 32". "Looks like 3008x1692" text starts to get a little grainy and weird looking. Although I like the size of a 32" display, I don't think it's really necessarily worth the extra cost until we have 5K or 6K 32" displays =)
That said, I'm happy with both the monitors. The Dell monitor is faster, and the Samsung is a little better with colors for photography (and has the better stand).
32" means it's not really HiDPI anymore. You're probably going to want to run it at native resolution rather than a retina scaled setting. That's ok, as you get great desktop real-estate, but you lose out on the retina sharpness.
On a 27" 4K you can run at 3008x1690 for a good mix of retina sharpness and added screen real-estate.
On a 24" 4K you can either run 1920x1080 for the ultimate in sharpness or 2560x1440 for a great combo of sharpness and real-estate.
Buy whatever size suits your desired sharpness and screen real-estate goals.
I'm not familiar with the particular Asus model... But Obviously, if it's got good specs and that's the size you want, then it may be worth the premium. Compared, to last year, it seems like a much more reasonable price for a 30"+ 4K display.
I have D500s in mine and the can drive my pair of P2715Q displays just fine. It's some apps that need optimization for 4K such as some RAW photo editing apps. The hardware in the nMP is perfectly capable of driving a pair of 4K displays fluidly.
Interesting... I wonder if you might be right. If Apple had their own 4K display offering, I think it would really push the technology forward for all of us. Whether SJ would have made that happen is anyone's guess. But I sure wish Apple would refresh the Apple TB display with a 4K panel like the one in these Dell's but offer a clear glass (glossy) finish. It would not only give us another choice, but increase adoption and force software vendors to optimize their software for 4K.
Well, on the nMP video performance issue regarding the D700 and 4K; I only meant that *I PERSONALLY* would only try dual 4K with the fastest video cards. Not to insinuate that the D500/D300 was incapable - but that from what I have seen from the performance reviews, that I personally think only the D700 would be MY choice for running dual 4K monitors.
As you indicate, there are others which do it fine. That was IMHO only.
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.
What I'm seeing on my two daisychained monitors is at or pretty close to 60Hz - the rMBP sees the two daisychained monitors as one monitor in the Displays Pref Pane and in System Information (and in SwitchResX, for this matter), and I'm seeing the same image on both monitors without ghosting. I can easily drive both monitors at 4k independently with one over DP @60Hz and one over HDMI @30Hz - and I can definitely tell the difference.
What I liked about my older Macs running Lion and ML while using a Matrox TripleHead2Go DP Edition was that box took some of the load off the Mac while driving two monitors. Matrox and Nvidia and others are pointing their fingers at Apple for not allowing DP out to be split up, maybe that's why Dell and others aren't wasting their time providing driver software?
If I have a little time during the week I'll install the Dell drivers in a Windows 8 VM and see what the output is. Cheers!
hey there,
I'm hesitating between the U2515H and the P2715Q in 1440p mode (HiDpi). My computer is a retina macbook pro with dpgu late '13. I plan to use my retina in clamshell mode. Main use: photo editing, surfing the web and watching videos.
1) Will the UHD monitor kick the fans of the rmbp each time I will be watching a video in 1080p or higher?
2) Is the text crispy on the U2515H like I won't see anti-aliasing problems or blurry fonts?
3) Does the P2715Q have a smoother anti-glare coating than my current u2312hm?
Thank you for your help.
I'm hesitating between the U2515H and the P2715Q in 1440p mode (HiDpi). My computer is a retina macbook pro with dpgu late '13. I plan to use my retina in clamshell mode. Main use: photo editing, surfing the web and watching videos.
1) Will the UHD monitor kick the fans of the rmbp each time I will be watching a video in 1080p or higher?
2) Is the text crispy on the U2515H like I won't see anti-aliasing problems or blurry fonts?
3) Does the P2715Q have a smoother anti-glare coating than my current u2312hm?
Thank you for your help.
I have two of the P2715Q's running off my D300 and it's as smooth as butter... and I'm really quite sensitive to general performance issues.Well, on the nMP video performance issue regarding the D700 and 4K; I only meant that *I PERSONALLY* would only try dual 4K with the fastest video cards. Not to insinuate that the D500/D300 was incapable - but that from what I have seen from the performance reviews, that I personally think only the D700 would be MY choice for running dual 4K monitors.
As you indicate, there are others which do it fine. That was IMHO only.
My only knock on the displays so far is they occasionally won't wake from sleep - that's happening on a weekly basis to each one. I'm going to put them on a separate surge protector that I can turn off/on without having to physically unplug them.
Drive 2x 4k Monitors from rMBP.
Perhaps the Intel Iris Graphics 6100 GPU setup in the just-announced 2015 rMBP(12,1) will solve this. (But the 15" option may not be available until WWDC in June). Apple: rMBP/13 - "Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 3840 by 2160 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colours." - Not sure about true 4k/Hz thou.
Perhaps the Intel Iris Graphics 6100 GPU setup in the just-announced 2015 rMBP(12,1) will solve this. (But the 15" option may not be available until WWDC in June). Apple: rMBP/13 - "Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 3840 by 2160 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colours." - Not sure about true 4k/Hz thou.
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Go with 4k monitor.
If you run videos in safari, it's fine with fans. However i use the 24" model (e.g. 1080p HiDPI)
I have a 1440p screen, (2713) but after using retina screen the text is blurry and tiresome to read. u2515h wont feel crisp if youre used to retina.
no idea about coating. I'm happy with the coating on minen (24" model)
what about 1080p videos in vlc etc? If you set your 24 inch model in 1440p (hiDpi), is it still sharp?
It still sharp. Not as sharp as in in native 1080 hiDPI, but much better then my 2713hm in 1440p. I use both 1440p and 1080p depending on usage.
1080p in VLC is fine.
I don't have any sharpness issues with my P2715Q. Sharp as a tack at any HiDPI resolution I choose.
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Perhaps. About that quote your quoted, that means to me "one display over DP at up to 60Hz and one over HDMI at up to 30Hz." I'm jaded, I'll admit it.
My Apple rep wasn't happy when I told him this morning that I'm cancelling a $20k order and buying some cheaper Windows boxes to tide me over on a project instead of some gimped Apple hardware that I can't get drivers for.
The attempted upsell to nMPs still kind of sticks with me in a not-good way...With the relevant Broadwell chips that would go in a better spec rMBP not coming out until mid-2015, with the Macs to follow, I'm going to wait for Skylake-chipped Macs for my next purchases.