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Dell P2715Q and P2415Q 4K IPS Displays
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- Also se the asterisk note. Support for two displays requires one of them to be a Thunderbolt display. Luckily, that's your intended configuration, so all's well.
So can I daisy-chain them to only use 1 TB port on Mac? So TB from rMBP --> Dock, Dock (second TB Port) --> TB Apple Display --> Dell 4k Display? Or not as Apple display is only 10Gbps TB1?
EDIT: Seems not based on Apple site anyway:
Mini DisplayPort displays will not function if connected to the Thunderbolt port of an Apple Thunderbolt Display. Displays connected via Mini DisplayPort video adapter or cable to the Thunderbolt port of an Apple Thunderbolt Display will not work.
- Also, Thunderbolt 1 wouldn't be nearly fast enough, if it were possible with mDP displays.
What you'd do is: Thunderbolt port on MBP -> Thunderbolt dock -> Thunderbolt Display via Thunderbolt port, Dell 4K display via HDMI port.
One cable from MBP.
- Damn. I thought the OWC dock used HDMI 2.0. Apparently, it's only 1.4b. So you're right, no 60Hz support. That sucks...
Yeah, so two TB cables it is, want 60Hz support. Not end of the world, all other cables will go to Dock anyway.
- Seems that way. 60Hz is a must, certainly.
Now I wonder if any docks exist with HDMI 2.0...
Throughout this thread people are reporting issues with the monitors waking from sleep. I get my P2415Q tomorrow but I'm trying to figure out if revision of the monitor (A00, A01, A02, A03) matters, or maybe it's a GPU thing? I have a MacBook Pro with M370X GPU and no one I've read about has had sleep/wake issues with this particular model.
Anyway, I started a new thread with a poll and I'm trying to collect data from people here with sleep/wake issues on their P2415Qs specifically but the P2715Q should be just the same. Here's the thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/those-with-the-dell-p2415q.1952725/
The poll aims to figure out a correlation between the sleep issue and monitor revision number, but feel free to comment with GPU/MacBook model, the more info the better!
Anyway, I started a new thread with a poll and I'm trying to collect data from people here with sleep/wake issues on their P2415Qs specifically but the P2715Q should be just the same. Here's the thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/those-with-the-dell-p2415q.1952725/
The poll aims to figure out a correlation between the sleep issue and monitor revision number, but feel free to comment with GPU/MacBook model, the more info the better!
Okay I ended up ordering a P2715Q to put side by side against my P2415Q because seemingly no one has done this before to compare...?
Bottom line, you can totally tell the difference between the P2415Q's 180ppi and the P2715Q's 160ppi. I'm not sure which one I like better. I definitely appreciate the size of the 27" but the 24" is a solid step in the retina direction that I'll miss when using the 27". At normal desktop viewing distance, the 27 is still amazing compared to a 2560x1440 display.
I also noticed that the color was much more accurate on my P2415, and the P2715 took quite a bit of tweaking to get close enough. P2415Q is also brighter (and warmer) at the same brightness setting than the P2715Q. Other than that, no difference. I got one catastrophically defective A00 model at first, but my replacement is an A03 and my P2715 is an A02. Both have no sleep/wake issues, and both have pretty significant glow at the bottom left/right corners that only shows up on pure black. The panels are rated at 8ms (24") and 9ms (27") response time, but hours of Battlefield 4 on both proved that I couldn't tell the difference.
I think I'm gonna keep the 27" and return the 24", but I've got another few days to decide.
Bottom line, you can totally tell the difference between the P2415Q's 180ppi and the P2715Q's 160ppi. I'm not sure which one I like better. I definitely appreciate the size of the 27" but the 24" is a solid step in the retina direction that I'll miss when using the 27". At normal desktop viewing distance, the 27 is still amazing compared to a 2560x1440 display.
I also noticed that the color was much more accurate on my P2415, and the P2715 took quite a bit of tweaking to get close enough. P2415Q is also brighter (and warmer) at the same brightness setting than the P2715Q. Other than that, no difference. I got one catastrophically defective A00 model at first, but my replacement is an A03 and my P2715 is an A02. Both have no sleep/wake issues, and both have pretty significant glow at the bottom left/right corners that only shows up on pure black. The panels are rated at 8ms (24") and 9ms (27") response time, but hours of Battlefield 4 on both proved that I couldn't tell the difference.
I think I'm gonna keep the 27" and return the 24", but I've got another few days to decide.
I've read of sleep/wake issues on ALL revisions of the P2415Q, A00, A01, A02 and even A03. I'm not sure I should exchange my new P2415Q for a refurb just to get A03.
EDIT: I let my MacBook sleep for 15 minutes, and the P2415Q would not wake up from that (although Command + F2 did get it to detect the P2415Q again). So somewhere between 1 and 15 minutes is where the P2415Q will not come out of sleep. Probably closer to 1 than 15. Anyway, I booted into Windows 10 (Bootcamp) and tried the same thing. Sleep for 15 minutes. This time, the P2415Q came back as expected. This seems to be an OS X issue related to El Capitan. See here:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7370824?tstart=0
EDIT: I let my MacBook sleep for 15 minutes, and the P2415Q would not wake up from that (although Command + F2 did get it to detect the P2415Q again). So somewhere between 1 and 15 minutes is where the P2415Q will not come out of sleep. Probably closer to 1 than 15. Anyway, I booted into Windows 10 (Bootcamp) and tried the same thing. Sleep for 15 minutes. This time, the P2415Q came back as expected. This seems to be an OS X issue related to El Capitan. See here:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7370824?tstart=0
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Hmmm... I'm on 10.11.4 beta with the AMD R9 M370X rMBP. I guess they're addressing nMP issues first?
EDIT: Beta 2 for 10.11.4 fixes the issue. It seems to be sending the wake signal multiple times now as when I wake the MacBook the Retina Display shows the lock screen almost immediately, then the P2415Q and Retina Display flash a couple of times, and both are displaying properly. I think it may have broken something with the USB hub though, as I'm now getting an error in OS X related to USB device using too much power (P2415Q is the only USB device plugged in).
EDIT: Beta 2 for 10.11.4 fixes the issue. It seems to be sending the wake signal multiple times now as when I wake the MacBook the Retina Display shows the lock screen almost immediately, then the P2415Q and Retina Display flash a couple of times, and both are displaying properly. I think it may have broken something with the USB hub though, as I'm now getting an error in OS X related to USB device using too much power (P2415Q is the only USB device plugged in).
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Hi,
Recently, I bought a Dell p2415q and I hook it up to my rMacbook Pro 13 Mid 2014.
However, the max resolution I can get with the HDPI mode (aka retina mode) is 1280*720 in 60Hz.
It's supposed to be like that? Cant I get 1080p HDPI 60Hz with this Macbook?
I hope someone can help me... Its driving me nuts :/
Thanks!
Recently, I bought a Dell p2415q and I hook it up to my rMacbook Pro 13 Mid 2014.
However, the max resolution I can get with the HDPI mode (aka retina mode) is 1280*720 in 60Hz.
It's supposed to be like that? Cant I get 1080p HDPI 60Hz with this Macbook?
I hope someone can help me... Its driving me nuts :/
Thanks!
- Pretty sure 4K 60Hz isn't actually supported on that machine.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202856
Perhaps give SwitchResX a try.
Hi-ya fellas! I've been using my p2415q monitor since June and I love it. I've got a 15" 2013 MacBook Pro with 750M gpu. I currently run with my MacBook open and extend the desktop to the 4K monitor.
The first version I had had sleep/wake issues and Amazon sent me another one no questions asked!
I love it enough that I think I want another one. I can't seem to find out with absolute certainty if I can run both monitors at 60hz. If I get a second 4K monitor, I'd run the MacBook in clamshell mode.
Can the 750M drive 2 p2415q monitors at 60hz? If so, can I daisy chain the monitors or would I have to run 2 DisplayPort cables?
Thanks!
The first version I had had sleep/wake issues and Amazon sent me another one no questions asked!
I love it enough that I think I want another one. I can't seem to find out with absolute certainty if I can run both monitors at 60hz. If I get a second 4K monitor, I'd run the MacBook in clamshell mode.
Can the 750M drive 2 p2415q monitors at 60hz? If so, can I daisy chain the monitors or would I have to run 2 DisplayPort cables?
Thanks!
- The Late 2013 can run two 4K at 60Hz, yes. So barring any limitations on the monitors themselves, it should be fine.
OS X doesn't support DisplayPort 1.2 MST daisy chaining, though, so you will have two utilise both Thunderbolt ports.
Using both thunderbolt ports isn't a deal breaker. I'm considering using one monitor in landscape and one in portrait. Anyone have this setup?
Currently, my MacBook is elevated to match the height of the p2415q and the display is sitting on an iPod hifi. I'm imagining a vertical 24" monitor would be able to line up with a horizontal 24" monitor. Either with the display being higher or lower. As in level across the top.
I'm learning to code so having more displayed "taller" seems like it would be awesome.
Thoughts?
I am, with two P2715Q displays on Herman Miller Flo arms with the Dual Flo mounting option. Love it.
Awesome.
Buuuuuuut, after reading on apples site, it looks like a second 4K display will not have a 60hz refresh in the vertical position. So if I'm planning of a second display in portrait I may be money ahead to buy a lower resolution monitor.
That or deal with 30hz refresh.
Buuuuut, Apple's site is not entirely correct - and I've let those turds know it but they haven't updated the web page. Way earlier in this very thread, after the 10.10.3 update I discovered and posted about that the update enabled my late-2013 rMBP (which is on a Flo Plus arm) to drive two P2715Q displays @4k @60Hz in any combination of portrait/landscape (with two cables) AND my rMBP display at full res @60Hz. Works perfectly, the Mac doesn't get bloody hot, no "lag". I'm using the only mDP>DP 1.2 compliant cables (from DisplayPort.org), which has solved the wake-from-sleep and lag issues that were noticeable in other, non-compliant cables. I was using non-compliant cables when I discovered the above, but still had wake-from-sleep issues and my Mac ran a bit hotter. Cheers!
Your real world experience trumps apples outdated page to me! If you're saying it'll work, then I'll order a second p2415q! Or maybe I should go 27"?
Are you saying I may need to order some cables as well?
Thanks!
About my earlier post, I read that one or two other members followed suit and are running an identical setup, and are happy like me. About displays, I work on a lot of word processing documents as a contract writer of civil engineering contracts and I like portrait (I bought my first portrait display, a Radius Portrait, in 1997 - gotta have portrait mode, but that Radius weighed about 50 pounds!), so bigger is better for me. We're already mixing display sizes with the rMBP and an external, so there's nothing "wrong" in my book with running a 24" alongside a 27" display...
In the MR dungeon I posted about a couple of cable brands that I was happy with (like Lindy), but there was always an issue - heat, a bit of "lag", or something. I am opening a couple of new offices and wanted to relocate for a bit. TB cables are not easy to segregate in appearance from DP cables IMHO and I wanted to get up an running quickly several weeks ago - I connected my two 6' TB cables to my two Dells and found that my Mac was running cooler, that I had no issues with waking from sleep, and my Displays Pref Pane showed options than my older cables. I'm an engineer, and I was rooting around with search engines before most of ya'll were even aware of this "internet" thing (I was using Sherlock and other apps like that before there was this thing called "Google".... - ouch!). I found that Apple's TB cables, while expensive, were DP compliant, which led me to the DP.org website - I found that Accell DP 1.2 compliant cables gave me the same benefits as Apple's TB cables for a fraction of the cost, so I ordered two 2m mDP>DP cables from Amazon, and they work great. On top of the stuff I alluded to earlier, I don't need a third party app like SwitchResX anymore to get my Macs to "see" or hack a display's EDID data (I own multiple SwitchResX licenses, and I don't need them any longer with the Accell cables - my Macs and Dells just "see" what each can offer each other.
Look at it this way - an Accell cable is more expensive than the cheap cables that are out there, but they're cheaper than the cheap cable and a SwitchResX license or an hour or two of therapy. I've just had so much better performance between my Mac and the relevant cable it was worth it - I put there here on MR, and it's up to ya'll to put up with it or give them a try as Amazon has a money-back guarantee. My display response time is excellent, and I use AutoCAD in Win 10 using Parallels Desktop, Word/Excel, Illustrator CS - and I'm really hard on my devices, performance-wise. So, yes, I recommend using Accell cables, the DP 1.2-compliant ones. No affiliate link here!
Cheers!