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Dell to Try to Take on Apple's Online Music Dominance?

Firing someone for illness?

Aside from the music thing, which sounds like it has a loooong way to go before it would take off...

It sounds extremely sketchy to fire someone for being ill--mentally or otherwise. In most states that would be wrongful termination, even those with at-will employment. If the guy simply had a bad attitude, that's a different thing.
 
I don't understand the reporting. He says the charges of mental illness are false. Even if they were true, wouldn't it be illegal to fire on the basis of the disability?

I know Jobs is an ******* (yes I like Apple a lot, but think he's an *******), but I don't think even he would have gotten away with breaking the law in such a blatant way. Whether or not the Dell thing takes off, I don't so much care about. But I do care about people being fired over disabilities.

Edit: didn't realize the word I used was considered that bad of one, umm Steve Jobs is a poopy-head. Imagine that in the asterisks.
 
Warning, Political Correctness Rant ahead, please avert your eyes:

Why use "120 person" instead of "120 man"? If you are so frightened of political correctness, consider Spanish with its masculine, feminine and neuter nouns. Or is it that political correctness doesn't allow the criticism of other languages. Actually isnt the use of perSON demeaning to daughters? 120 perdaughters? How about call 120 human beings, men as represented by men and woMEN, unless you want to rename women wopersons, or probably safer to call them wodaughters.

Merry Christmas (or "Happy Holidays" to those worried about upsetting non-christians.)
 
^^ SPQR, nobody is whining. But you can take yours to a more appropriate thread.

ZacUSNYR said:
People are happy with iTunes and apple and are not looking for an alternative.
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Actually many people are. Amazon is not being seen as a failure but rather a rising star for digital music downloads. Competition is great and wonderful, no matter what ridiculous form it may come in. People here should be happy about it, not prancing around with pompous attitudes. :apple:
 
While I don't think Dell will suceed, I believe any competition can only be good news for us consumers.
 
applefan69 said:
Its simply not gonna happen, and dell is stupid for trying
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It's actually kind of impressive, in a way: it must have taken MAD SKILLZ and cantaloupe cojones to convince the Dell board to go down the PlaysForSure/Zune/Napster/et. al path and believe they can win.

I mean is this guy all cock and balls or what?

The thing is that iTunes succeeded because it filled an otherwise unaddressed need in the marketplace: a legal, reliable, computer-based way to get music on your iPod.

That need doesn't exist anymore. Nobody owns an MP3 player or music phone but is still craving a legal downloading alternative. Nobody is delaying their purchase of a Dell MP3 player because they wouldn't know where to get music for it. They'd just buy an iPod if that was the case.

Good luck getting 120 people to help you grind your axe. Just because you WORKED at Apple, it doesn't mean you ARE Apple. And it doesn't mean you can turn another company into Apple.

Apple isn't like AIDS: you can't just "get it" and then spend the rest of your life spreading it around.
 
I am all for this!

It will keep Apple on its toes and force them to become even more innovative which will lead to an even better iTunes experience.
 
I read the interview with this guy, and he raises good points about iTunes' shortcomings. He really knows what the problems are.

That being said, he's working on a system that CAN'T, by its very design, offer solutions to those problems!

I'll make this very long idea into a simple statement: The problems with iTunes they want to solve have already been solved perfectly by Amazon. And it's very clear that's not what Dell wants to do.

So you have a smart guy who "gets it" but is working for a company that doesn't want the solution to the problem. They want something else. Something with just as many problems as iTunes, just different ones.

It will be interesting to see how long he lasts.
 
Zing???

Is that the name of the medication he's taking that deluded him into believing he can take on iTunes? :D

Seriously though, unless he comes up with something truly revolutionary, he'll have to go the Amazon route and price tracks and albums lower while enabling the Dell solution to auto-import into iTunes.

:apple: FTW
 
I really don't see how this could be a negative. No, not being argumentative, I just don't. It's competition, and I think that in this case competition would be good.

If they go the WMA route, then pah, doesn't affect me. if they get some new whizz bang DRM that doesn't work on my iPod, pah again. If they have an MP3 / AAC shop (that can be used outside of the USA), then I'm all for it. See who has the bigger range of artists, hopefully selling for prices that are less than a CD would cost - this seems to be a bit of a failing with iTunes. I can often just order the CD from Amazon cheaper, that is a new CD, rather than second hand.

If they aren't as good as iTunes they'll fail. If they areas good as or better then they'll at worse complement iTunes. As a (music) customer I do well out of it.

So - what is the downside here? Is there one?
 
severe said:
It's clear Tim has an issue with manic-depression. It's just sad. :(






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it is indeed unfortunate if this was indeed true. i'd never wish such a condition on anyone. it's a tough battle and it could happen to anyone. nevertheless, whether what some people have said of Mr. Bucher, or what he said of Apple was true or not, it's unfair for anyone of us to draw any conclusion because we don't know the history and the current facts. so it's quite pointless.

anyway, if a business was setup to compete primarily on the grounds of revenge, then it's doomed to failure because most of your business decisions maybe emotionally influenced. but we don't know this for sure. we shall see what will happen with this business venture. frankly, i really doubt it'd succeed. at least "zing" is not as highly unflattering as "squirt" for Zune. nevertheless, i think they're both asinine marketing verbs.
 
SPQR said:
Why use "120 person" instead of "120 man"? If you are so frightened of political correctness, consider Spanish with its masculine, feminine and neuter nouns.
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I know it was just a rant, but.. Reading into it a bit too much? it's much better to use "person" because they're definitely people. Any number of them might not be men. It's likely nothing to do with political correctness and more to do with, oh, I don't know.. Accuracy?
 
Wtf???

SPQR said:
Warning, Political Correctness Rant ahead, please avert your eyes:

Why use "120 person" instead of "120 man"? If you are so frightened of political correctness, consider Spanish with its masculine, feminine and neuter nouns. Or is it that political correctness doesn't allow the criticism of other languages. Actually isnt the use of perSON demeaning to daughters? 120 perdaughters? How about call 120 human beings, men as represented by men and woMEN, unless you want to rename women wopersons, or probably safer to call them wodaughters.

Merry Christmas (or "Happy Holidays" to those worried about upsetting non-christians.)
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I think this comment wins the 2008 WTF Award for Most Random Comment. I keed, I keed, but not really. lol :D
 
[calls broker, dumps Dell stock]sounds like a good business avenue for Dell to pursue, there's tons of room for competition. Hold on to your Dell shares everyone.[/suckers]
 
dongmin said:
one word:


WHY?
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My biggest question is WHY does everyone automatically think it is a bad thing when someone besides Apple tries to start a service or offer a product that Apple has already been doing? (see Google Android thread).

I see this as a great thing. Sure, it may suck and it may fail, but competition usually leads to better products and cheaper prices. I wouldn't mind buy movies from iTunes that are a dollar cheaper or that don't disapear in a 24 hours. I say bring it.
 
NightGeometry said:
I really don't see how this could be a negative. No, not being argumentative, I just don't. It's competition, and I think that in this case competition would be good.

If they go the WMA route, then pah, doesn't affect me. if they get some new whizz bang DRM that doesn't work on my iPod, pah again. If they have an MP3 / AAC shop (that can be used outside of the USA), then I'm all for it. See who has the bigger range of artists, hopefully selling for prices that are less than a CD would cost - this seems to be a bit of a failing with iTunes. I can often just order the CD from Amazon cheaper, that is a new CD, rather than second hand.

If they aren't as good as iTunes they'll fail. If they areas good as or better then they'll at worse complement iTunes. As a (music) customer I do well out of it.

So - what is the downside here? Is there one?
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Well, more competition is good, generally...
The downside I see is scattered catalogs across different services.
I like to get my stack at the same place. I really don't want to have to look in iTunes for new releases of Artist A and have to look at ZuneStore or DellStore or WhateverStore to get the previous albums of that same artist... grrrrr...
 
The Zing Website

Out of curiosity, googled Zing and the first match, predictably Zing.com, turned out to be a badware site, quarantined by Google.

Turns out the actual Zing site is not that but Zing.net.

Nevertheless, Dell should do something about that first hit if they intend to keep the branding. :)

"Zing." Rivals "me" in appeal!
 
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