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Not all Mac`s spend their life on the desk...

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Oh I see. It's clear now why you need the so-called "the best of the best" and no current Mac can handle that. /s
 
And a lot use windows and linux. Most people developing web apps don't really care and it does not matter. The tools you need are on any platform. There is nothing special about a Macbook, but there is nothing wrong with it. Its a computer.

Did I say developers don't use Windows or Linux?

Yes, tools, and some tools are better on one platform than on another, depending on the tech stack you are using. So you would know that the platform does matter, if you are familiar with web app development.

Special (or not)? What does that even mean?
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No, we just need hardware that makes sense ;)

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So what makes sense on an oil platform?
 
No, we just need hardware that makes sense ;)

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I said it before and I'll say it again. Apple doesn't build mobile workstation-grade computers. And never did. Expecting it to build such a computer is irrational. With the mac mobile line you already get fastest-in class CPUs, fastest in-class storage, fastest in-class WiFi, fastest in-class external connector and a mediocre but reasonable :)D) GPU. If that does not satisfy your requirement, I really believe you have to look elsewhere.
 
These days not Mac`s as Apple has abandoned a lot of serious users needs. I am one of very few who use a Mac, equally days are numbered..

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Obviously, you're avoiding the question. Let's move on...
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. Apple doesn't build mobile workstation-grade computers. And never did. Expecting it to build such a computer is irrational. With the mac mobile line you already get fastest-in class CPUs, fastest in-class storage, fastest in-class WiFi, fastest in-class external connector and a mediocre but reasonable :)D) GPU. If that does not satisfy your requirement, I really believe you have to look elsewhere.

Nobody is talking about mobile workstations; people are talking about usability, not a sea of dongles, upgrading basic components to extend the life of a system, fixing known issues with Apple`s "fastest" WiFi, OS issues that don't take 12 months to fix if at all, abandoning customers who do require a desktop workstation solution. Unfairly punishing customers due to a lack of innovation & vision, ridiculous margins on in-house upgrades, deliberately neutered systems to enforce up-sales. Totally ignoring known issues until forced by imminent court action - This is the Apple of 2016...

I also consider others, not just my own sole needs, Apple`a degeneration of the Mac will continue as so many are simply happy to accept whatever Apple churns out. Point is your paying premium price, therefore you should demand a premium product. The current iteration of the Mac works for you, equally it does not work for all, hence why sales are slowing - too expensive for the casual user, too diluted for many with higher demands; engineering, media creation etc.

As for looking elsewhere, we have already moved 3 companies off Apple, with a 4th going directly to windows, all courtesy of Apple. Was a time I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac, these days I pretty much discount it :(

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Nobody is talking about mobile workstations; people are talking about usability, not a sea of dongles, upgrading basic components to extend the life of a system, fixing known issues with Apple`s "fastest" WiFi, OS issues that don't take 12 months to fix if at all, abandoning customers who do require a desktop workstation solution. Unfairly punishing customers due to a lack of innovation & vision, ridiculous margins on in-house upgrades, deliberately neutered systems to enforce up-sales. Totally ignoring known issues until forced by imminent court action - This is the Apple of 2016...

I also consider others, not just my own sole needs, Apple`a degeneration of the Mac will continue as so many are simply happy to accept whatever Apple churns out. Point is your paying premium price, therefore you should demand a premium product. The current iteration of the Mac works for you, equally it does not work for all, hence why sales are slowing - too expensive for the casual user, too diluted for many with higher demands; engineering, media creation etc.

As for looking elsewhere, we have already moved 3 companies off Apple, with a 4th going directly to windows, all courtesy of Apple. Was a time I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac, these days I pretty much discount it :(

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And this has nothing to do with any requirements of working on an oil platform -- it's just general rant. This rant could be from a Facebooker or an office worker. Your own comments aren't even consistent with one another.
 
Dell XPS 13 is a sexy laptop. If I was buying a Windows laptop, this is probably top or near top of the list. But Windows is Windows. As good Windows 10 is, it still have those quirks that made me switched to MacOS from way back when.
 
Dell XPS 13 is a sexy laptop. If I was buying a Windows laptop, this is probably top or near top of the list. But Windows is Windows. As good Windows 10 is, it still have those quirks that made me switched to MacOS from way back when.
...back when?
 
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Dell XPS 13 is a sexy laptop. If I was buying a Windows laptop, this is probably top or near top of the list. But Windows is Windows. As good Windows 10 is, it still have those quirks that made me switched to MacOS from way back when.

Very much agree as Windows is a complex beast, equally MS I feel offers more transparency and a will to focus on productivity. Apple I fear is looking to an OS X & IOS convergence, one will be strengthened, now will be diluted, the outcome remans to be seen, equally the cards are on the wall; simpler design, easier production, greater margins.

Apple today solely serves AAPL, nor do I blame them, equally I no longer support Apple, as a customer I fully expect Apple to serve me first & foremost, not the $$$$...

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Never said it was, nor was I replying to you directly...

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leman's reply stemmed from the sub-thread between you and me. We both assumed, because it was logical to do so (that's how logical train of thought and argumentation are supposed to work), that your mention of the oil platform aspect, and putting that in contrast to Macs on a desk, was meant to suggest your requirements and expectations were tied to said oil platform environment. But you then listed generic expectations (the said rant). So that's why I said your comments were inconsistent with one another. You could have simply mentioned you were in the "normal" professional crowd and nobody would have misinterpreted your arguments.
 
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...back when?
I switched to Mac as my primary computer when Apple announced intel Macs (Tiger was my first OS X experience)
Doesn't mean I stop using Windows, but everytime I'm on a Windows environment, I was reminded why I switch to Mac.
 
Dell XPS 13 is a sexy laptop. If I was buying a Windows laptop, this is probably top or near top of the list. But Windows is Windows. As good Windows 10 is, it still have those quirks that made me switched to MacOS from way back when.
I switched during the Vista era. If Windows worked as well as it did now I probably would have never switched.
 
As good Windows 10 is, it still have those quirks that made me switched to MacOS from way back when.
Every OS has quirks, what specifically do you mean?

While I use OS X at home, when I travel, or work, I'm on Windows and there are things it does better then OS X. Of course there are things that OS X does better as well - there's no perfect OS.
 
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...Then turn the auto updates off. I'm pretty sure any grown human being is capable of such an uncomplicated task taking at most 20 seconds.
They can't be turned off. This issue has been discussed in basically every review of Windows 10 ever done.
 
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Have any of you lived with a dell xps 13? I literally just returned mine (i7 processor, 16/512, touchscreen display) yesterday after buying one to tide me over until the MBP update. The xps is great at first-- it checks all the right boxes: fast processor, nice display, lots of ram and SSD. However, there are a lot of issues with it that just leave it way short when comparing to the overall user experience on a macbook pro.

1) there is an annoying and well documented audible "buzz" whenever you scroll through a page
2) the trackpad response/feel pales in comparison to apple's
3) something about the screen leaves me with eye fatigue after relatively brief (1-2hrs) usage
4) there is a random screen "flicker" but it's not really a flicker and more like a intermittent slight dimming/undimming

I really wanted to like this machine, and gave it a 1-month trial run to see if i could live with it. I actually didn't mind the Windows UI as much as I thought I would, but I cannot see myself spending the money for the dell over a mac. And so here I am, still stuck waiting for the MBP update.
 
Every OS has quirks, what specifically do you mean?

While I use OS X at home, when I travel, or work, I'm on Windows and there are things it does better then OS X. Of course there are things that OS X does better as well - there's no perfect OS.
Have any of you lived with a dell xps 13? I literally just returned mine (i7 processor, 16/512, touchscreen display) yesterday after buying one to tide me over until the MBP update. The xps is great at first-- it checks all the right boxes: fast processor, nice display, lots of ram and SSD. However, there are a lot of issues with it that just leave it way short when comparing to the overall user experience on a macbook pro.

1) there is an annoying and well documented audible "buzz" whenever you scroll through a page
2) the trackpad response/feel pales in comparison to apple's
3) something about the screen leaves me with eye fatigue after relatively brief (1-2hrs) usage
4) there is a random screen "flicker" but it's not really a flicker and more like a intermittent slight dimming/undimming

I really wanted to like this machine, and gave it a 1-month trial run to see if i could live with it. I actually didn't mind the Windows UI as much as I thought I would, but I cannot see myself spending the money for the dell over a mac. And so here I am, still stuck waiting for the MBP update.
You picked a bad time to buy the XPS when the newest model comes out in like 2 weeks. That really sucks by the way. I wonder if you got a dud unit or if that is par for the course.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-xps-13-kabylake-rosegold,32706.html

Apple is sooo slooowwww and so far behind in bringing the latest hardware to market.

They spend too much time looking for ways to get rid of ports and how to sell us expensive dongles

Will the new rMBP be lacking a 3.5? what a joke, when the iPhone uses a lightening port, so will the rMBP get a lightening port that is not industry standard? Or will we have to have a USB-C to 3.5 adapter and lightening to 3.5 adapter?

Apple, you are really becoming annoying
 
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Make sure you do plenty of research if you plan on buying that Dell. I was going to pick one up until I learned all about issues people are having with quality control and quirks unique to this model like coil whine.
 
Those Kaby Lake CPUs are 15W chips, while Apple uses 28W chips in the 13" MBP. Also, Apple is not God, they can't bring hardware which doesn't exist to market. Once Intel releases suitable chips for the MBP line, then you can start complaining about Apple's lack of innovation. At this point, Intel hasn't even shipped a high-end Broadwell (not even talking about Skylake) CPU that Apple uses in the 15", what would you expect them to do? Downgrade the CPU? Say Apple upgrades the MBP13" to the Kaby Lake, which is of course slower than what they use currently (as few percent of architectural improvement can't offset the 2x TDP cut) — I wonder what the reaction of the Appel community would be?
 
At this point, Intel hasn't even shipped a high-end Broadwell

If by "high-end" you mean the sort of model (i.e. quad core HQs) Apple would be expected to put in a 15" rMBP, sure they have and they did it over a year ago - http://ark.intel.com/compare/87720,87719,87717.

Before you say "but they're not shipping really" and/or "but nobody's using them", here's an MSI laptop with an i7 5950HQ that you can buy right now: https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GT80-Titan-2QE-263-HID2/dp/B00YZPVNLQ which was announced in June 2015: http://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/MSI-Announces-Notebooks-Quad-Core-Broadwell-CPUs
 
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Before you say "but they're not shipping really" and/or "but nobody's using them", here's an MSI laptop with an i7 5950HQ that you can buy right now: https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GT80-Titan-2QE-263-HID2/dp/B00YZPVNLQ which was announced in June 2015: http://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/MSI-Announces-Notebooks-Quad-Core-Broadwell-CPUs

Oh, thats for the link! I didn't know about that laptop. I was indeed quite sure that these CPUs were not actually shipping (despite being listed as available).
 
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There is nothing wrong with Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, if you know how to configure and maintain it to your liking. They are as stable or more stable than MacOS. NTFS is a better file system than OS 9 era HFS (this might be resolved next year with Apple's new file system - finally. Disk management has become crippled with the new disk utility, while in windows the disk management is robust. If you work, MS Outlook (the real one) is the by far the best Mail Application on the planet and Mail.app keeps getting worse. Excel on the PC is much better and works with all the plugins I use. Connecting/Ejecting external drives is super fast on the PC, super slow on the Mac.

Apple could easily do better, I wish they would do better, they have an obligation to the memory and hard work that Jobs put into building Apple. These are the people that Jobs counted on to take the company forward and they are only succeeding in regards to shareholder wealth, but at the expense of loosing they core community.

I used to wake up every morning and rush to see the Apple home page. I used to look at upgrades to the OS and hardware in such a positive light, but now I cringe to see ports removed, apps become more buggy, and features stripped from the OS.

A friend of mine who is a recruiter in the bay area says that Apple is the hardest place to get talent to accept. Companies like Netflix, Google, and more are much more attractive places to work for so many reasons. Apple is no longer the edgy guy on the block, they are the old fashion company who is crippled by old fashion closed minded managers. Their OS is now a mess, and developers know it. It's a bandaid on top of a bandaid, etc etc.

At the office, I use a mac and PC next to each other and over the last few months I have been migrating all my work to the PC. I even like to look at my iCloud contacts in Outlook better. my iMac is turning into something to place music, look at pics, and do some graphics work. While 90% of the time I am on my PC.

Just got the new MacBook, top spec, great little computer for the sofa..certainly better than a worthless iPad.

November is my buy time..either rMBP or 15 or 17 inch Dell Precision. I tell you, would be nice to have the ability to replace my HDDs at will.. replace the battery without having to go in for service.

I do love my Macs and I love the whole experience, but lately there are too many things that are hard to accept.

Hoping Apple can turn things around.
 
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