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All very true of course, but is there any reason to assume that the overall picture is very different? E.g. is it true that PC but not Apple laptops are more frequently bought in stores rather online and are people in other areas of the world much more likely to buy another premium laptop etc.?

us has been important for apple and it still is. but there is also another important thing behind those figures... people have waited so long time to get a new model - so the peak was expected measured on whatever way. and i quess that current users have ordered new macbooks from online rather than from the store - because there havent had many on the stores either...

There is no question that these figures should be interpreted very carefully, but I think its very likely that the trend they depict really exist. For instance, even if we assume that these stats underestimate PC sales 4 times, the picture is still very impressive.

i still say the peak is caused by a long waiting among current osx users and the peak was expected. if you look preliminary shipments during this year, it has been quite differend than that graph shows for "us online shoppers" onky (e.g. Q3):

http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/11/g...n-q3-2016-eighth-quarter-of-decline-in-a-row/

and for the year 2015, you can see that Lenovo, HP and Dell were strong:
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS40909316

And if check the original article, it also shows that 40%, who bought macbook on 2014, bought another brand for they next laptop:
https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/
 
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At least you've quit calling everyone who does not see the value and didn't buy it because of that broke bums who can't afford it.. I'll go ahead and call this progress...

Now they are just jealous and don't want to see anyone happy? LOL.. Still pathetic put downs but slightly better than how you've acted before....



If you find yourself bashing a product OVER AND OVER in forums where owners/buyers are enjoying it or trying learn more, then you have an issue.

Doesn't meet your needs? Move on.
Can't afford it? Not our problem.
Don't want it? Great. Move on.

Why are you here? We all know you aren't happy with the new MBP, so now what? Will you tell us in every positive thread again and again?



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That's great and all, but there also haven't been any note worthy updates in a long time for the MacBook Pro line. People like myself are bound to purchase a new machine because we've been waiting a long period of time for an update. The alternative is to abandon MacOS, but for many of us that isn't an option.
 
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That's great and all, but there also haven't been any note worthy updates in a long time for the MacBook Pro line. People like myself are bound to purchase a new machine because we've been waiting a long period of time for an update. The alternative is to abandon MacOS, but for many of us that isn't an option.



Okay, so tell us...which MacBook do you currently own and how do the new models fail to meet your needs?


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I have to giggle at some of the comments...

For years and years Apple fans have raved about 3 main things and reasons to get a MacBook.

1. The keyboard was best in class
2. The trackpad was best in class
3. MacOS

Funny how now the hardcore Apple'ites condemn the old keyboard as squishy with terrible backlight and key wobble... Sorry but I just have to laugh...

I suppose the same happened sort of, kind of with the larger phones. For years the iPhone'ites laughed at larger phones and steadily put them down -----> Until -----> Apple released a large phone. Then it was the best thing since microwave popcorn...

I like Apple and their products but sometimes you just have to giggle, scratch head and see the comedy in the comments...
Times change and tastes change. Just because some people don't complain doesn't mean they aren't disapproving of it.
 
For years and years Apple fans have raved about 3 main things and reasons to get a MacBook.

1. The keyboard was best in class
2. The trackpad was best in class
3. MacOS

Funny how now the hardcore Apple'ites condemn the old keyboard as squishy with terrible backlight and key wobble... Sorry but I just have to laugh...

I suppose the same happened sort of, kind of with the larger phones. For years the iPhone'ites laughed at larger phones and steadily put them down -----> Until -----> Apple released a large phone. Then it was the best thing since microwave popcorn...

I like Apple and their products but sometimes you just have to giggle, scratch head and see the comedy in the comments...

I can't comment on what's been going on recently, but my memory regarding the keyboard on MBPs has been a mixed bag. There are some people that raved about it, and some that thought they were mediocre compared to x keyboard (usually compared to desktop options, but in terms of laptop options, I remember hearing old thinkpads being brought up a lot). All-in-all, most people seemed to tolerate them or had a positive experience, but I never recalled an exclamation that the keyboard itself was "best in class".

The trackpad and OS I agree on though (and I personally think that both are superior to other options, although I think the trackpad on the Surface Book 2 is pretty good).

As for the screen size on the phones...yea, I distinctively remember a very vocal group that decried larger screen sizes for various reasons, but I also remember an equally loud group crying for Apple to move to large screens. It honestly seemed to balance out to me, but again, that's just my memory at play here. Not everyone was happy when Apple did eventually increase the size though, I remember reading complaints (although from a much smaller minority now) how the phones were too big now.
 
I can't comment on what's been going on recently, but my memory regarding the keyboard on MBPs has been a mixed bag. There are some people that raved about it, and some that thought they were mediocre compared to x keyboard (usually compared to desktop options, but in terms of laptop options, I remember hearing old thinkpads being brought up a lot). All-in-all, most people seemed to tolerate them or had a positive experience, but I never recalled an exclamation that the keyboard itself was "best in class".

The trackpad and OS I agree on though (and I personally think that both are superior to other options, although I think the trackpad on the Surface Book 2 is pretty good).

As for the screen size on the phones...yea, I distinctively remember a very vocal group that decried larger screen sizes for various reasons, but I also remember an equally loud group crying for Apple to move to large screens. It honestly seemed to balance out to me, but again, that's just my memory at play here. Not everyone was happy when Apple did eventually increase the size though, I remember reading complaints (although from a much smaller minority now) how the phones were too big now.

No doubt but my point was against the overzealous Apple'ers who rave about whatever it is they currently have at the moment and put down anyone who has something different or a different point of view..

My comment was not intended for rational thinking people...
 
I can't comment on what's been going on recently, but my memory regarding the keyboard on MBPs has been a mixed bag. There are some people that raved about it, and some that thought they were mediocre compared to x keyboard (usually compared to desktop options, but in terms of laptop options, I remember hearing old thinkpads being brought up a lot). All-in-all, most people seemed to tolerate them or had a positive experience, but I never recalled an exclamation that the keyboard itself was "best in class".

The trackpad and OS I agree on though (and I personally think that both are superior to other options, although I think the trackpad on the Surface Book 2 is pretty good).

As for the screen size on the phones...yea, I distinctively remember a very vocal group that decried larger screen sizes for various reasons, but I also remember an equally loud group crying for Apple to move to large screens. It honestly seemed to balance out to me, but again, that's just my memory at play here. Not everyone was happy when Apple did eventually increase the size though, I remember reading complaints (although from a much smaller minority now) how the phones were too big now.



The minute I had my Samsung Note 2, I was done with the iPhone. Yeah, people made fun of my BIG phone and one-buy-one they all adopted larger phones.

Even with Apple finally catching on, the Note is such a beautiful phone, so no reason to go back. My wife has a new iPhone from her job, but her favorite phone is a Samsung Galaxy. The phone debacle was the beginning of Apple's lack of strength in design while others pushed the boundaries.


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