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Detailed Panther Info and Screenshots

Re: WHOA!!!

Originally posted by rockman2023
WHOA! I found this link on one of the FunMac threads: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6548 and it states:

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HA! You'd never have to upgrade a G5 to a G6 for as long as you live!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!
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This source is wrong. Note that the memory addressing of the PowerPC 970 is 42-bit, not 64. Thus, the theoretical maximum of RAM is about 4096 Gigabytes (or 4 TiB in IEC standard).

Note that this is much, much less than 18 Exabytes. 😉

SCNR
 
Originally posted by dukemeiser
It looks like Apple does a lot of "logical cleanup" in Panther. Such as combining logical panes in System Prefs. or simplifying the Activity Monitor. My only complain: still no themes!!!
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Just go to www.maxthemes.com for all your theming needs. There are some good apps out now for theme switching that are safe and easy to use.
 
The Finder is carbon, and the main window is NOT nib based, making it very dificult to demetallize. It is, however, a complete rewrite. Note that Cocoa is not inherently superior to Carbon, so it really doesn't matter.
 
The Railhead tour is pretty okay, but it's full of glaring flaws. No changes in Address Book? Except the totally new prefs, eg. template? Also, since Railhead's Maury uses a single-headed system, he's missed a cool new feature of the Displays prefpane, "attach pref panels to this display".

Side note, a pile (pun intended) of Panther Preview pics available here.
 
Whoa!! is right - 64 GiB is the max RAM

Originally posted by leo
This source is wrong. Note that the memory addressing of the PowerPC 970 is 42-bit, not 64. Thus, the theoretical maximum of RAM is about 4096 Gigabytes (or 4 TiB in IEC standard).

Note that this is much, much less than 18 Exabytes. 😉
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If you read the Apple document referenced at:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=31223

you'll see that the mobo chipset used in the G5 uses only 36-bit physical addressing, not the full 42-bit of the 970.

This will limit any system based on that chipset to 64 GiB of RAM, period.

A new chipset could go higher, but Apple probably won't have any need to add addressing lines until the PPC980 chipset is built.
 
is most of this cosmetic stuff or what i am currours as to what makes this so diffrent from the current version(s) not dissing it or anything it looks more profesional but then again my current bulid is 10.2 and it looks supperior to my windows xp machine colour is fantastic on a mac for some reason and no its not my pc screen ...

this looks like its going to change the whole meaning of computing for me again
 
Originally posted by Sabenth
is most of this cosmetic stuff or what i am currours as to what makes this so diffrent from the current version(s) not dissing it or anything it looks more profesional but then again my current bulid is 10.2 and it looks supperior to my windows xp machine colour is fantastic on a mac for some reason and no its not my pc screen ...

this looks like its going to change the whole meaning of computing for me again
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one addition in Panther that you may find useful is a period....
 
Thanks to RailHeadDesign for the great tour (with the caveats previously mentioned ... what a critical bunch!).

Anyway, has anyone head about any changes and improvements to the Classic environment? I really expected Apple to improve Classic/X integration with Panther. This is long overdue.
 
Re: WHOA!!!

Originally posted by rockman2023
WHOA! I found this link on one of the FunMac threads: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6548 and it states:


HA! You'd never have to upgrade a G5 to a G6 for as long as you live!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!
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Bzzzt. Reality break. From page 24 of the
"PowerMacG5" developer doc:

G5 processor implements a 42 bit physical address. That's 4 terabytes.

BUT the U3 Memory Controller uses only 36 bit wide addresses. That's 64 GB max for the box. You'd need to wait for 8 GB memory sticks to achieve that.
 
Metal Finder stinks

I really like the understated Aqua stripes, but I HATE the metallicized Finder- I hope a hack to restore the Aqua Finder pops up PDQ when Panther is released.

I wholly agree with people who say that it's tough to tell at a glance which metal window is the frontmost one-- recently I've found myself quitting Safari when I meant to quit iTunes, and I've also kicked iTunes into "Visual Effects" mode (Command-T) instead of opening a new tab in Safari a few times. Very irritating.
 
totally underwealmed

I'm really not so excited about the look of Panther. Some of the features seem cool. Others seem cool for cool sake. The most important thing I'd like to know is, will the interface be fast!
 
Re: totally underwealmed

Originally posted by Fredo Viola
The most important thing I'd like to know is, will the interface be fast!
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Yeah, I agree with this. Espcially how the Finder handles long file lists. If I open a window with >1k items, the Finder simply locks up for a good few minutes on a QS867. Unacceptable.
 
Re: totally underwealmed

Originally posted by Fredo Viola
I'm really not so excited about the look of Panther. Some of the features seem cool. Others seem cool for cool sake. The most important thing I'd like to know is, will the interface be fast!
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Yes, it's faster. They figured out how to hardware accelerate scrolling (like the old OS9 copybits() function). Also, menus and sheets have been sped up, and code optimization improved.
 
Faster... but fast?

Okay, it's faster, but that doesn't mean fast, considering how terribly slow Jag is. I'm a huge Jag fan, it's stable, smart and elegant, but honestly I expect some serious performance on the speed side now. How did you learn of the speed increase?
 
Re: Faster... but fast?

Originally posted by Fredo Viola
Okay, it's faster, but that doesn't mean fast, considering how terribly slow Jag is. I'm a huge Jag fan, it's stable, smart and elegant, but honestly I expect some serious performance on the speed side now. How did you learn of the speed increase?
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Just for curiosity's sake - how much RAM / VRAM are you using? I just switched to the new 900 MHz iBook w/ 640 megs of RAM, 32 VRAM, (Hardly a speed monster in other words) and I don't really notice the interface being noticably slower than XP on my 2,2 GHz P4 w/ 1 Gig of RAM.

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!
 
yeah! panther looks sweet!

I like the fact that all the stuff is much more integrated and that several features got simplified...

I can't wait to purchase a copy 🙂

good job RailheadDesign... the tour gives you an excellent insight

vSpacken
 
i have a 667tibook with 512 of ram and over all speed of OS is OK. sometimes the system experiences horrible slowdown...the spinning beach ball. but thats usually because im pushing the systems to its max.
 
Originally posted by Fredo Viola
1.25 gigs of ram. OS9 is still speedier.
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Sure, maybe for clicking on the File menu, but navigating a file takes MUCH longer in 9 than in X. So it's relative.
 
Generally I find that there is a lot of functionality that is slower in os10. Definitely more stable, though, and I'd rather have the confidence that things won't crash than be speeding around worrying about oncoming chaos. And AfterEffects works SOOOOOO BADLY in os10, it's totally anti-creative. But I hear that AE works much much better in Panther. Ach, with all this hype it would be very unfortunate if things are not significantly faster. I'm going to buy the G5 as soon as it's released, and Panther. If the speed issue of the os is not seriously improved, though, I'm honestly thinking about adding a little darkness to my studio...
 
you dont have to think about the darkside anymore. the g5's will bring plenty of speed to the os. that paired with the speed increases of panther (did you see how fast it was to SEARCH large drives?) would make most very happy.
 
Re: Re: totally underwealmed

Originally posted by soggywulf
Yeah, I agree with this. Espcially how the Finder handles long file lists. If I open a window with >1k items, the Finder simply locks up for a good few minutes on a QS867. Unacceptable.
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How do you function with so many items in one window? I'm not intending to criticize your file organization, but couldn't you put some of these files into subfolders? Or are you working in a specialized environment that requires all of these files to be in one folder?
 
Desktop selection in open/save

Has anyone noticed that Apple left out an icon on the sidebar for the Desktop in the open/save dialogs. Please of please fix that. It's horrible to have to nav to the Desktop and then run into the bug where you can't select it, but only use the widget to show the contents of the folder. Everyone that complains about final release bugs should use a beta and see what Apple has to fix for all those months before the final release. Panther is amazing, but like any Apple OS always needs a bit of tweaking. That's what 10.3.7 will be for.
 
Re: Re: Re: totally underwealmed

Originally posted by QuiteSure
How do you function with so many items in one window? I'm not intending to criticize your file organization, but couldn't you put some of these files into subfolders? Or are you working in a specialized environment that requires all of these files to be in one folder?
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I have this happen routinely when I slurp down a few thousand mp3's. Yeah it's play, not work; still I think the OS should handle this situation more gracefully than it does now.
 
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