Isn't revealing the fact that you're beta testing the OS and chiding people in public about breaking the NDA in violation of the NDA?
How old are you?
It is really a shame to see that NDAs doesn't mean anything for many people...
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How old are you?
It is really a shame to see that NDAs doesn't mean anything for many people...
They don't mean anything to Apple anymore. There was a time when they'd slap you with a cease and desist for posting a single screenshot of a beta OS. Now, they turn a blind eye.
Anyways, you're deluding yourself if you think most people on here are under NDAs.
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Why do you take the NDA's so seriously? It's just beta builds of Lion. It's not like we're discussing government files. =/
How would you know ? Spying on posters' "illegally installed" systems ?
I personally did report my wi-fi bug to Apple, but I also wanted to check whether the problem was specific to my machine or also affected other developers and -beyond- other users, officially registered or not. Cheers.
I agree. Most people here aren't real beta testers. Anyway, you are right, it doesn't make any sense talking about it.
I think it's good for everyone that we openly talk about Lion. It allows developers to figure out how features work, why they were added / changed / removed, etc... I don't think this is bad for Apple in any way. The most ideal situation would be that everyone would be able to test Lion and discuss it. That would give enough feedback for Apple, if they had infinite resources to read all of the feedback (remember, in an ideal world).
Also, this generates way more hype. You can't keep this stuff secret. Anyone can join the developer program, does Apple really expect every single "developer" to keep quiet about Lion? Of course not. They know exactly that this beta is quite public. They don't mind. As long as people file bug reports and not just post about the bugs, it's fine.
There's an NDA because Apple wants to be able to control things if something gets out of hand (press, media, copyright, I don't know).
Also, this generates way more hype. You can't keep this stuff secret. Anyone can join the developer program, does Apple really expect every single "developer" to keep quiet about Lion? Of course not. They know exactly that this beta is quite public. They don't mind. As long as people file bug reports and not just post about the bugs, it's fine.
There's an NDA because Apple wants to be able to control things if something gets out of hand (press, media, copyright, I don't know).
I don't see anyone discussing the Windows betas and their bugs. These are closed programs and there is a reason for it. Ofcourse there are leaks here and then, but companies like Apple and Microsoft need the confidentiality in order to protect their property and avoid that the competition gets an advantage...
It's useless to uncheck the "reload all the pages" when you click to shut down or restart. It always re-check itself...It seems my Lion has a ghost inside...
I think that when a $99 developer's fee allows [legitimate] access to the preview builds, confidentiality against competition is not something that Apple is worried about.
Just because bugs are being discussed on this other Apple-centric discussion area doesn't mean that they're not being reported elsewhere.
Apple is not blind to the fact that people other than paying developers are having access to the preview builds. Their own discussion areas and avenues for direct feedback are also more than likely not (hopefully not) the only place where they're reading user reactions.
It is absolutely naïve to expect or even try to persuade The Internet that it should keep mum (so as to not ruin the surprise?) on the next Apple product out of either sheer reverence or a sense of responsibility taken too seriously.
Just because bugs are being discussed on this other Apple-centric discussion area doesn't mean that they're not being reported elsewhere.
Apple is not blind to the fact that people other than paying developers are having access to the preview builds. Their own discussion areas and avenues for direct feedback are also more than likely not (hopefully not) the only place where they're reading user reactions.
It is absolutely naïve to expect or even try to persuade The Internet that it should keep mum (so as to not ruin the surprise?) on the next Apple product out of either sheer reverence or a sense of responsibility taken too seriously.
It's pretty much the truth though. If the NDA means so much to you, you shouldn't even talk about the fact that you are in the beta test...
@ Petvas
So I guess that means MacRumors, Engadget, Cult of Mac, and TUAW are in "breech of NDA" for reporting on DP3 and showing screenshots of any new additions to the latest build?
Please ...
So I guess that means MacRumors, Engadget, Cult of Mac, and TUAW are in "breech of NDA" for reporting on DP3 and showing screenshots of any new additions to the latest build?
Please ...
Icons messed up
Updated to DP3 / DP2 Update3 / 11A459e on my 2011 MBP (had to do the .kext trick to get it booting, and after that reinstall the kext for wi-fi).
And now, I got this strange bug with my toolbar icons:
http://cl.ly/2W2A3S1j0e03290q3m1G
Safari and any other app having forward/backward arrows, or the fullscreen symbol are all bugged as well.
Updated to DP3 / DP2 Update3 / 11A459e on my 2011 MBP (had to do the .kext trick to get it booting, and after that reinstall the kext for wi-fi).
And now, I got this strange bug with my toolbar icons:
http://cl.ly/2W2A3S1j0e03290q3m1G
Safari and any other app having forward/backward arrows, or the fullscreen symbol are all bugged as well.
who says we don't, theres something called multitasking, even for humans u know
Safari keeps wanting to reload all open tabs more often than it used to -- but it's all so much faster and smoother about it than it was before. So as long as I'm not having any filled text boxes or other information to be lost, it's not a terrible thing at this point.
Also sort of funny -- a couple of instances where clicking on a link on a page will add that link to Safari's new Reading List instead of opening the link.
So as long as I'm not having any filled text boxes or other information to be lost, it's not a terrible thing at this point.Also sort of funny -- a couple of instances where clicking on a link on a page will add that link to Safari's new Reading List instead of opening the link.
I understand why you have to open up two Desktops when in Missions Control with two monitors, but I hope there is an option to create only extra desktops on the monitor that I want. Depending on where my mouse is, and I use the two finger swipe, then it would just change desktops for that monitor.
Also, full screen only works with the main monitor, not the second monitor. I hope this is resolved as well. Multi-monitor support is a little off right now.
Also, full screen only works with the main monitor, not the second monitor. I hope this is resolved as well. Multi-monitor support is a little off right now.
Now I know this is an Apple forum, but there's no need to get hostile towards Windows. OS X and Windows both have their ups and downs.