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Developers Now Receiving Apple TV Units for App Testing Purposes
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Sorry I stand corrected. 200mb, which is way worse. Also upto 2gb of streamable content but still not as great as it could be.
i think it's so funny how this is just a thread about developers getting their hands on the Apple TV but all we hear about is 4K vs 1080p. Come on!
But it would be a different tone if apple tv did support 4k.....isheep........
You were waiting for a chance to use that word , ey , droid botgoat ?
Good point.
When the next ATV is announced with 4K, people will be rushing to the forum to complain about it not being 8K.
I wished it was 4K for future proofing, but I am not surprised it doesn't have it. Why are others surprised?
Probably for a while.
But not as bad as the pro-flyers vs anti-flyers on the battle.net forums. They were getting crazy over the last few months.
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Ah. That sucks. They could have given it to all of us while we're at it, you know, to encourage AppleTV development and to better justify the $119 price tag on our Canadian developer license.
Increased picture quality is not a fad. Look at TVs throughout history.
But 4K is not yet mainstream enough to claim 'no 4K' as a bad aspect of the device.
I guess tvOS is not stable and they need some weeks to work on that.
By then a few apps will be available, so is not bad for us to wait another month
What's the fps that most movies are shown at? It's not even 30 fps, it's 24. Besides, I've gone full 4k in my video production and it kills 1080p all day long. In fact down sampled 4k shown on 1080p looks much better than 1080p native recordings
Thank goodness they've already standardized the latest hdmi and hdcp protocols. Pretty much every 4k tv model released in the last 2 years is fully compatible with 4k bluray and future 4k content. They're not repeating the same crap that happened with hdtv with component cables, dvi, hdmi all competing with each other. The only thing left behind is av receivers which many claim are full 4k when they don't support the latest hdcp standard so they won't work with future 4k devices.
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Can we get off this 4k conversation or move it to a 4k thread?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Are you getting a new iPhone? If so 4K recording will be in your pocket and always with you as soon as you pick up that phone... not 5 years from now. Stores already seem to have more 4K sets for sale than 1080p sets (go look) and prices are not the "thousands more" some of us keep slinging around.
My prediction is Apple will finally embrace 4K in an
TV5 about 0-6 months after the new iPhone's camera goes into iPads (so that's probably 12-18 months from now... not 5 years). That's what happened with 1080p: iPhone 1080p recording first, then iPad, then new 1080p TV.And TVs are usually about 10-year products. People replacing TVs "once or twice" over just 5 years must have a lot of violence at their homes (damaging the sets), live in a high-crime area (they get stolen) or have money to burn such that they need every latest & greatest update each model year (you know, like Apple people are with Apple products).
Content providers will deliver 4K as soon as this this holiday season on new 4K Blu Ray players: http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-discs-arriving-in-2015-to-fight-streaming-media/ Some sources like Netflix, Amazon and YouTube already deliver some 4K via streaming. And the army of Apple iPhone buyers are about to shoot a ton of YouTube videos in 4K with their new iPhones. Surprising me, there's even real testing to make it available over the air (something I didn't expect for many more years): http://4k.com/news/lg-zenith-others-testing-simplified-over-the-air-4k-tv-broadcasting-8153/
My (adjustment to your) prediction: in 5 years, 8K will already be obviously rising and 4K will be where 1080p is now. And 1080p sets for sale at stores will probably have as abundant a selection as the 720p sets in stores now.
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Because we're a bunch of Apple fans, we recognize that Apple could have rolled this out with that added oomph (Amazon just did in a $99 streaming box. Amazon!!!) but instead they chose not to. So now we have:
A new Apple iPhone that can shoot 4K, with
New iMovie that can edit 4K, and
Render 4K to a Quicktime file.
iTunes that can store that 4K video render
An Apple TV that can't play it
A 4K TV lacking much content to really show it off, and
An ever-growing pool of 4K TV owners looking for someone to sell them a LOT of 4K content (with us Apple people wishing Apple could be among the first instead of dragging in among the last).
Just one link of an almost complete Apple product chain blocks the "just works" flow from creation to final display. People have high expectations of Apple. Apple has made us that way. We expect "wow" from Apple with every new product rollout. And we vent some frustration when they could have done something but opted not to... especially when it seems like an obvious move given the upgrades to their most popular product's camera and video editing software... even more so with BOTH products presented in the very same session.
Nevertheless, the new
TV is impressive. I'll buy two in spite of this because other features justify the upgrade. Apple will make it's profit on those units and then sell the TV 5 "now with 4K" and make another round of upgrade profits there too. AAPL shareholders will be happy.Apple was almost last to the 1080p game too. And until they finally went there, many of us treated 1080p as we are treating 4K now: 500 reasons why nobody needs it or can see the difference, how it's a gimmick, bandwidth constraints, until the whole Internet is upgraded to handle us all watching it, file sizes, "the chart", and on and on (plenty of almost duplicate thread arguments from the days prior to
TV3- we could almost copy & paste and just change the resolution numbers). Then, Apple embraced 1080p in the "3" and all those anti-1080p legions seemed to vanish. Go try to find even a handful of posts repackaging passionate arguments against 1080p then aimed at calling out Apple's stupid move for embracing "the gimmick" and ignoring "the chart" and so on when they went 1080p.It will be the same here. Apple will certainly roll out a 4K
TV given that pretty much everything else Apple makes has already embraced 4K video capture, editing, rendering & storage. Where will the anti-4K crowd be to call Apple out for embracing this "gimmick", "nobody can see a difference", "the chart" etc at that point? (rhetorical: they'll be in line to buy one while typing "shut up and take my money" in post-announcement threads).
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What may be even more interesting is the question how much more useless 4k will be the moment macrumors posters realise that amazon silently updated fire tv with a faster cpu, expandable storage and...well...4k.But it would be a different tone if apple tv did support 4k.....isheep........
This thing is totally useless without a SCSI port. Now I can't connect it to my SyQuest drive! I'll pass.
I don't think it's a fad - it's just not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.
So apparently Apple was giving all of these devices away for free. I didn't win one, but I would have happily paid full price to get early access to one.
Maybe instead of giving them away to a limited subset of developers, Apple should have just allowed all registered developers to buy one before they are released to the general public.
Please. I'm not buying a 1080p TV until my 720p one dies.
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Actually I find the chart pretty accurate. At the distance and TV size they specify, I have trouble seeing any difference between 720 and 1080. The refresh/frame rate is noticeable, but not the resolution. I just purchased a new TV and went with 1080p because virtually everything in that size is 1080p and it is possible that I will change the room layout at some point where I'm closer. It just didn't make any sense to spend the extra for 4k at this time (if ever).Yes, if I'm not mistaken, the exact same chart (note the copyright date) was shown very often by the "720p is good enough" crowd back when some of us longed for a 1080p
Yep, a quick search way back to 2008: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-tv-1080i.584041/#post-6462686 post #14 has me and a guy referencing a chart that looks the same. Note how both scales are about the same but just the resolution numbers have evolved to fit the new standard. The guy referencing the chart back them is arguing how we don't need 1080p and I'm arguing how some of us did want it. Then, Apple embraced 1080p and now we have a new incarnation of the same chart that makes it seem like "1080p is good enough" and 4K is overkill. Why don't we go ahead and update the resolutions for 8K so we can dust it off and use it again when Apple has gone 4K on
Again, the ADF is great at rationalizing everything Apple does or does not embrace. And when Apple both embraces and doesn't embrace in a single new product launch session, the ADF is fantastic at praising the conflicting choice where Apple embraced it and bashing it as "unneeded", "gimmick", "you can't see" and using the good old "the chart" exhibit where Apple doesn't.
I do wished that the ATV4 has 4K, but it shouldn't have surprised anyone it did not have it.
In 5 year, if 8K will be the next new thing, why would most people invest in 4K?
1080p has been around for 10 years, and many people's first 1080p TV was a replacement for their older tube TV. There was a huge difference when they replaced it.
While 4K is visually a lot better, it isn't as dramatic as replacing a non-HD tube TV. Plus 5 years ago, 1080p/i content was everywhere. 2015, 4K content is lacking when compared to 1080p.
I didn't think about it until I read your post, but I might just skip 4K all together and wait for 8K.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Nobody would have to spend money on a new TV if Apple had rolled out this at 4K... just as nobody had to buy a 1080p HDTV when Apple embraced that. Better hardware can down-res the output to lower resolutions and display those lower resolutions at their max. Embracing 4K here would have simply made the subset of people that have already gone with a 4K set happy, added another punch to Apple as a leader, given these new iPhones an Apple ecosystem "just works" way to push all the 4K video we're about to shoot to 4K TVs and given us all a source of content from our favorite company (or seemingly God in some cases) when our HDTVs need to be replaced in the next few years.
As to "the chart" I was simply illustrating that it ALWAYS comes up in these kinds of threads and that it is pretty much a copy of the same chart shown from way back in 2008 (per the link I included) when people were using it to make the same arguments about why nobody needed a 1080p
TV... until Apple rolled out a 1080p TV and then the chart- and all of the anti-1080p arguments- were retired until they could be resurrected and reapplied to the anti-4K arguments... until Apple rolls out a 4K TV.I was poking fun at "the chart" exhibit because it's pretty much the same chart (same colors, same layout, etc) with resolution references changes to fit the new sentiment of why we don't need 1080p, er 4K (now).
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Maybe. It has been shown that the A8 can play 4K. The HDMI standard associated with this TV can output 4K at 30fps. So conceptually, a software update could turn on 4K playback in this model.
However, this is Apple we're talking about. A hook as obvious as 4K can be a big reason to sell us anotherTV box instead of giving us that upgrade in this box: 2 chunks of revenue instead of one. Why is it a hook? Because it's now only a matter of time until people who are shooting and collecting so much 4K with their new iPhones will be longing for a way to easily push that at 4K to the new 4K TVs they are buying when they replace their HDTVs.
What was the big upgrade fromTV2 to 3? Pretty much only 1080p. This seems like a perfect repeat scenario set up to motivate the same kind of upgrade cycle.
TV can output 4K at 30fps. So conceptually, a software update could turn on 4K playback in this model.However, this is Apple we're talking about. A hook as obvious as 4K can be a big reason to sell us another
TV box instead of giving us that upgrade in this box: 2 chunks of revenue instead of one. Why is it a hook? Because it's now only a matter of time until people who are shooting and collecting so much 4K with their new iPhones will be longing for a way to easily push that at 4K to the new 4K TVs they are buying when they replace their HDTVs.What was the big upgrade from
TV2 to 3? Pretty much only 1080p. This seems like a perfect repeat scenario set up to motivate the same kind of upgrade cycle.