Dictionary in Leopard, wikipedia support.

bubblegum80

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I have been keeping my eye on 10.5, and looking forward to the rumors of an ultra-portable laptop to be true. I recently gave up on an iMac, after reading about the problems many people are experiencing.

Now I have given up on Leopard, after discovering that the Dictionary application now accesses the Wikipedia.

I thought the Apple TV, and iPhone accessing Youtube was bad enough.

Edit: I was looking forward to the Japanese input, as I study Japanese, but the Wikipedia? Bloody hell Apple!!

Sadly, I'm now looking for alternatives. :(
 

motulist

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the Dictionary application now accesses the Wikipedia.
That's in addition to, not as a replacement for the real official dictionary already built in to tiger. (Which is it again, random house? Merriam Webster? I forget.)
 

speakerwizard

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your not getting a mac because of the extra functionality of being able to search wikipedia as well as a built in dictionary? well that sounds like cutting your nose off to spite your face but i suppose macs are reserved for the intelligent ;)
 

bubblegum80

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That's in addition to, not as a replacement for the real official dictionary already built in to tiger. (Which is it again, random house? Merriam Webster? I forget.)
Yes, I know it is in addition to the real dictionary.

It is the fact, that something like the Wikipedia is officially supported within the OS that is turning me away, that website is full of nonsense.

I believe Apple has a partnership with Merriam, but I could be wrong.

On another topic, I was disappointed with Tiger and its "Language translator"

The Dictionary and Language translator were two of the main reasons I purchased Tiger. After time, I released the language translator would expire.

Not happy about that. :mad:
 

PlaceofDis

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Yes, I know it is in addition to the real dictionary.

It is the fact, that something like the Wikipedia is officially supported within the OS that is turning me away, that website is full of nonsense.

I believe Apple has a partnership with Merriam, but I could be wrong.
so whats the problem? that they're including an additional source for people to use and gain more information?

how is wikipedia full of 'nonsense'?
 

bubblegum80

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your not getting a mac because of the extra functionality of being able to search wikipedia as well as a built in dictionary? well that sounds like cutting your nose off to spite your face but i suppose macs are reserved for the intelligent ;)
People wanting to expand their intelligence, don't get their information from the Wikipedia ;)

Unless of course, you want to join in the argument of why Depeche Mode should be known as alternative music, and not dance music.

Yes, I'm not happy with Apple's choices lately.

Their software has become very buggy (Mac programme's continue to freeze regularly, or crash) Their hardware is becoming increasingly faulty, and impractical for the sake of style.

I now have trouble writing emails in Japanese to my friends in Japan. :mad:

It may sound stupid to you, but to me, Wikipedia support = good bye Mac.
 

Veri

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I have been keeping my eye on 10.5, and looking forward to the rumors of an ultra-portable laptop to be true. I recently gave up on an iMac, after reading about the problems many people are experiencing.
You can always get a white iMac from the refurb store. You have the advantages that a refurb has been through a quality assurance process twice, and that you're paying less. And, as I recall, it's eligible for Leopard up-to-date, and AppleCare.

When a new machine comes out, you'll get the usual cycle of every item of electronics - a fortnight of "wow!", where people buy unaware of problems; then a month or two of "omg beware!" as people realise anew that, actually, no new gadget is perfect, etc. One-two months later, the dust settles and fixes begin to appear. So you could buy in the glory fortnight of a new machine, but since your whole post indicates very conservative tastes, I wouldn't recommend it; this means waiting 4-5 months for a machine stable enough for your tastes, if nothing now suffices.

Now I have given up on Leopard, after discovering that the Dictionary application now accesses the Wikipedia.
I think that Wikipedia is an affront to scholarship, damaging to the peer-to-peer spirit of the Internet and plagued by corrupt administration, but luckily, I'm not forced to use it. And Dictionary/Preferences might make it disappear entirely for you. Jumping into the application bundle might even suggest how to replace the Wikimedia search with something more appropriate to your tastes ;).

However, if you're the kind of person bothered by teething problems, I wouldn't advise upgrading to Leopard for at least a couple of months.

I thought the Apple TV, and iPhone accessing Youtube was bad enough.
This is like complaining that you've bought a TV that could be used to tune into Christian programming/hardcore pornography (delete as unappropriate). You always have the option of not watching/doing what you don't want.
 

PlaceofDis

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People wanting to expand their intelligence, don't get their information from the Wikipedia ;)

Unless of course, you want to join in the argument of why Depeche Mode should be known as alternative music, and not dance music.

Yes, I'm not happy with Apple's choices lately.

Their software has become very buggy (Mac programme's continue to freeze regularly, or crash) Their hardware is becoming increasingly faulty, and impractical for the sake of style.

I now have trouble writing emails in Japanese to my friends in Japan. :mad:

It may sound stupid to you, but to me, Wikipedia support = good bye Mac.
there is a lot more to wikipedia than your example.

and Apple doesn't make every program out there, could be the 3rd party app being buggy too. although i've yet to have any problems with my macs. and apple have always had a flair for being stylish. but i don't see any more faulty hardware than before. just hear about it more since their user base is growing rapidly.

i don't use multiple languages so i can't help you there.

i just don't get why Wikipedia support is such a bad thing. you know that Tiger came with the Wikipedia widget pre installed right?
 

Sky Blue

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I agree. Personally, I'm not buying Leopard and I'm selling my Mac as Safari allows me to create 'webclips' from web sites. Apple has gone too far imho.
 

bubblegum80

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there is a lot more to wikipedia than your example.

and Apple doesn't make every program out there, could be the 3rd party app being buggy too. although i've yet to have any problems with my macs. and apple have always had a flair for being stylish. but i don't see any more faulty hardware than before. just hear about it more since their user base is growing rapidly.

i don't use multiple languages so i can't help you there.

i just don't get why Wikipedia support is such a bad thing. you know that Tiger came with the Wikipedia widget pre installed right?
I don't really use 3rd party applications, thats one of the things I liked about Mac. The only programme I installed was Flip4Mac's WMV player, and MSN messenger (only for a short time) they were removed during a restore.

As with every new OS release, I trade my Mac in for a new machine. When I got my Macbook, there was no Wiki widget included, nor with any update.

I despise the Wikipedia, along with Youtube and Myspace. The reasons why I don't like the Wikipedia are similar to Veri's.

I agree. Personally, I'm not buying Leopard and I'm selling my Mac as Safari allows me to create 'webclips' from web sites. Apple has gone too far imho.
Recently, Safari has been crashing on me regularly, and I still have problems accessing some websites (sometimes not being able to view them at all)
 

bubblegum80

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You can always get a white iMac from the refurb store.
I had one before, the magnet on the side screwed the computer up. It took me 2 months of arguing with the store, with the aid of a technician to prove the magnet screwed the computer up. They finally gave me "store credit" and I purchased a Macbook. My Macbook would shut itself off and not turn back on whenever it felt like. :eek:

I believe these problems are what product testing is for. :rolleyes:

Anyway, thanks for your post.

I will be staying with Tiger, unless there is a way to completely remove the Wikipedia from Leopard. Its that, or start looking for a Vista laptop ""gasp""
 

motulist

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I will be staying with Tiger, unless there is a way to completely remove the Wikipedia from Leopard. Its that, or start looking for a Vista laptop ""gasp""
You don't like using wikipedia? Then don't use it, there's nothing about leopard that forces you to. And if you want to go use vista, I say please do, good riddance. If you think things like having wikipedia available as an additional resource for you to choose to use is a problem worth complaining about, then I'm glad I don't go to any vista forums, because when you switch you'll find out what problems are.
 

jsw

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The reason I'm not going to Leopard is Time Machine.

I mean, say what you will about Wikipedia - it's a community driven site, and some things will be wrong while most others are right. But still, yes, agreed, it's a terrible idea to include access to a site which might provide updated information when, as we all know, dictionaries should be static and unchanging.

But Apple really burns my butt calling that feature "Time Machine". I mean, there's absolutely no time travel involved whatsoever, and so I think it's deceptive advertising. I feel terrible for the people lined up tomorrow expecting wonders for $129 and being terribly disappointed when they open the box. I especially feel bad for the children and seniors, who are so often the target of this sort of marketing exploitation.
 

haiggy

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You don't like using wikipedia? Then don't use it, there's nothing about leopard that forces you to. And if you want to go use vista, I say please do, good riddance. If you think things like having wikipedia available as an additional resource for you to choose to use is a problem worth complaining about, then I'm glad I don't go to any vista forums, because when you switch you'll find out what problems are.
'nuff said. :rolleyes:
 

cwedl

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The reason I'm not going to Leopard is Time Machine.

I mean, say what you will about Wikipedia - it's a community driven site, and some things will be wrong while most others are right. But still, yes, agreed, it's a terrible idea to include access to a site which might provide updated information when, as we all know, dictionaries should be static and unchanging.

But Apple really burns my butt calling that feature "Time Machine". I mean, there's absolutely no time travel involved whatsoever, and so I think it's deceptive advertising. I feel terrible for the people lined up tomorrow expecting wonders for $129 and being terribly disappointed when they open the box. I especially feel bad for the children and seniors, who are so often the target of this sort of marketing exploitation.
I know what you mean, had to do my dissertation a few years back, if time machine actually worked so I could go into the future retrieve a copy of the finished article, and relaxed, maybe that will be in the next version of Mac os X
 

bubblegum80

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Say what you want, its my opinion. Apple have already lost 1 customer, who over the last 6 years, has purchased 8 computers from them.

The Wikipedia is nonsense. I really have no experience with Windows since 98.

However, for me right now, Steve Jobs is uncle Sam, and I'm going to stick it to him for supporting the Wikipedia.
 

Genghis Khan

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guys, i dont know why you're bagging out this guy...it's perfectly reasonable

i mean, i didn't upgrade to tiger because i didn't like some of the pictures they offered as desktops



but, on a serious note...wikipedia is superuseful...even as a uni student where they strictly enforce correct referencing i find it useful (even though i don't use it)

wikipedia is not useful as a research level resource...but for everything else from sheer curiosity to high school class papers it fits the bill

i don't know what people have against it...it's alright to say it's not a true reference (which only comes into play at university level), but to hate it...wtf?!?!
 

Much Ado

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However, for me right now, Steve Jobs is uncle Sam, and I'm going to stick it to him for supporting the Wikipedia.
"The Wikipedia"- he makes it sound like a sinister organization in a post-apocalyptic parallel universe.

Keep away from the internet, i would. Wikipedia is on it.
 

bubblegum80

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The reason I'm not going to Leopard is Time Machine.

I mean, say what you will about Wikipedia - it's a community driven site, and some things will be wrong while most others are right. But still, yes, agreed, it's a terrible idea to include access to a site which might provide updated information when, as we all know, dictionaries should be static and unchanging.

But Apple really burns my butt calling that feature "Time Machine". I mean, there's absolutely no time travel involved whatsoever, and so I think it's deceptive advertising. I feel terrible for the people lined up tomorrow expecting wonders for $129 and being terribly disappointed when they open the box. I especially feel bad for the children and seniors, who are so often the target of this sort of marketing exploitation.
Dictionaries, and reference books are updated regularly throughout the year.

I would love to see you "debate" the Wikipedia with your university professor. The professors at the university I attend, made it clear that we would be removed from their class, if we use the Wikipedia for research.
 
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