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Did Anybody Go From iPhone 4S To Any Blackberry Series?
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I went from BB Storm to iP4, not looking back ever!
The main issue I had with BB was the carriers. Telus (Canada) would NOT release the OS updates as they came out. I had to wait a whole year for the first significant OS update that BB made for my model.....
At least with Apple, you get the updates as they are available.
Back when BB Storm was released, the interface was clunky, the browsing experience was at best PAINFUL and certainly not fun.
The main thing it had going for it (for me) was that it didn't get dog locked like my first HTC Diamond (yea I have a track record of going for the ********* beta releases because I deep down wanted an iPhone but Rogers didn't have a sufficient data/phone plan that met my needs without being stupidly expensive when the iPhone was first released in Canada).
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For me here in Canada, it's all carrier based that drives MY preferences. I had a HTC phone, had a Blackberry phone and the big issue is OS support and updates. Telus (can't speak for Rogers) hold on to their updates, stating that the companies haven't released them to them yet and yet when you go to the company's website and ask about it, this is not the fact. Telus is just lazy.
Now updates aren't the end all be all, but if they fix errors, smooth out bugs and make the user experience better, why hold on to them?
Apple provides me with my updates as they come out and it is a very nice change of pace. Yeah I am still with Telus, as they haven't been too bad of a company or provider for me overall.
WW
The main issue I had with BB was the carriers. Telus (Canada) would NOT release the OS updates as they came out. I had to wait a whole year for the first significant OS update that BB made for my model.....
At least with Apple, you get the updates as they are available.
Back when BB Storm was released, the interface was clunky, the browsing experience was at best PAINFUL and certainly not fun.
The main thing it had going for it (for me) was that it didn't get dog locked like my first HTC Diamond (yea I have a track record of going for the ********* beta releases because I deep down wanted an iPhone but Rogers didn't have a sufficient data/phone plan that met my needs without being stupidly expensive when the iPhone was first released in Canada).
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All bashing and fanboyism aside
I can definitely understand if BB lacks a lot of features current phones have. However, that is not entirely the case. From what I gather, almost every smartphone offer the same functionality:
Phone Calls
YouTube
Text
Web browser
Now, if your definitely into apps, it's a no brainer the iPhone wins. If your not into apps, what makes the iPhone the preferred one? Hype? Coolness? In with the crowed?
I'm not supporting/bashing either platform, I'm trying to figure out what about the iPhone people like besides the "It just works" slogan. Apparently, every phone "just works" for what you need it to do.
I wonder if you take the design of the iPhone 4/4S and put blackberry 7 OS on it, would people hop over to blackberry? That would sound like a hardware issue if that were to happen.
Are people not happy with the hardware with blackberry? Are apps that more important? For some reason, I think if rim was to have every app apple has in the AppStore, they would still be in the same position. Which leads me to believe it must be a hardware problem with their phones.
Like I said, looking for some good arguements instead of the typical responses of " rim is rip" or "there old and stale"
For me here in Canada, it's all carrier based that drives MY preferences. I had a HTC phone, had a Blackberry phone and the big issue is OS support and updates. Telus (can't speak for Rogers) hold on to their updates, stating that the companies haven't released them to them yet and yet when you go to the company's website and ask about it, this is not the fact. Telus is just lazy.
Now updates aren't the end all be all, but if they fix errors, smooth out bugs and make the user experience better, why hold on to them?
Apple provides me with my updates as they come out and it is a very nice change of pace. Yeah I am still with Telus, as they haven't been too bad of a company or provider for me overall.
WW
Back in 2008, I had an iPhone 3G and went and bought a BB Curve. Phone was ok but after a few months, I got bored and went back to using my iPhone. I gave the Curve to someone I worked with who was into BBs. She ended up breaking it about a year ago and got a Android.
The people that I worked with were much younger and so they bought the cheap phones that they could afford which as it turns out are Androids.
The people that I worked with were much younger and so they bought the cheap phones that they could afford which as it turns out are Androids.
The problem here is that RIM has a serious credibility problem. They've already delayed the release significantly, and there's grumblings that they fibbed about the exact reason behind the delay.
I actually think this is RIM's biggest problem, and why people are worried about their prospects. They are still profitable and are still gaining customers overall, for now. But, they've over promised and under delivered by quite a bit, and the fact that Android and iOS are growing far faster than Blackberry's user base is, and that RIM seems to be moving in slow motion to address this, is a deep concern.
I would have to disagree with you on that. I didn't have a very good experience when using the playbook's browser. Some websites it rendered wonderfully. Others, like its own product page, rendering of the page elements proved problematic. It would flicker and stutter.
But even if we want to debate this situation, there's the simple metrics of sales. The Playbook isn't exactly a hot seller, despite its alleged superiority.
Perhaps with 2.0 things will improve. I certainly hope so for RIM's sake. Like Palm, I really want to see them succeed, because more options means more competition, and more impetus for all platforms to improve.
That's true, from reading up on it RIM's credibility has been shot. As far as the browser goes I had nothing but a good experience with it. As far as sales of the Playbook goes, it was pricing, poor marketing, and the myth that you needed a BB phone in order for it to work which was the reason behind poor sales. But with it's current pricing and buzz, sales are picking up.
Now when QNX replaces BB OS on phones this year. IMO it will be one of most stable OS out. And with true multitasking that doesn't slow things down, the best browser, the fast growing app world, and having access to android apps, BB phones will definaltey spark some serious attention again. But like you were talking about, RIM really can't afford anymore delays. Another factor would be the hardware, but BB phones already have a decent track record with that.
I wouldn't call it a myth. Key functionality, like e-mail the way a Blackberry user expects e-mail to work, requires bridging with a Blackberry phone to work. So does BBM and calendar syncing. All core things that make a Blackberry a Blackberry, and also core functions on other smartphones and tablets as well.
I think RIM would've done quite well to include a native e-mail/calendar app but said "look, you won't get the same BES/BIS platform with this until later, or unless you bridge this with a Blackberry mobile. Until then, you'll have to use standard IMAP/POP, or Exchange ActiveSync." But I can see why they didn't: RIM has painted themselves into a corner by perpetuating the myth that you can't get secure e-mail without BES.
As for pricing, Rim had to take a significant write-down to slash the price on the Playbook. You cannot sell hardware at a loss and have that as a sustainable business model. Perhaps if there was a continued sales strategy, like a strong app platform, or continued income from wireless carriers that kicking back revenue from data plan income, that could make it profitable. But right now the Playbook has neither going for it, and won't if they are relying on Android apps (and effectively ceding the added income for paid apps to Google, through the Android marketplace).
Well 2.0 will change that, it will include native email, calendar, etc. And I myself just got the playbook around 3 weeks ago, so waiting to Feb is not a big deal. Also I'm running the beta and using Android's Kaiten Mail and it's working flawless with push support and notifications, also have other Android apps like Pandora, Google Calendar, etc. Running these Android apps feels just as native as running apps from the app world, something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Also apps in the app world are increasing at a rapid rate, developers are taking notice, and profits from the app world have increased drastically.
By the time QNX reaches BB phones, it should be more than ready. Users will not care about the history that QNX had on a Playbook.
I used a blackberry years ago, before the 3G was out, back then phones were phones and blackberry's were cool because you could do email as well. Nowadays RIM has found themselves with customers who want an iPhone experience from their blackberry's, how they didn't see this one coming is beyond me. Fact is, even with the latest and greatest blackberry, you don't get anything near an iPhone experience, the selection of apps for the blackberry is pitiful by comparison, who listens to music on their blackberry? RIM has found themselves in the worst possible situation, having to play catch up with Apple; its a losing game and one they should have tried to avoid at all costs and one they might of had they been paying attention. I can't see RIM's handset division being profitable for them and frankly its not core to their business, they are still making good money from their corporate customers, however that revenue is tied to their handsets, so if they lose one, I can't see how they won't lose the other.
have you ever seen a beautiful woman from behind and start thinking intimate thoughts then you start slowly getting *excited* then as she turns around you see the wrinkliest ugliest toothless old trannie you have ever seen and run a mile.
thats what a blackberry is..
Not quite. The iPhone can't connect to my company's BES and fully configure itself like my prior device the same way the BB does. The iPhone doesn't have built-in intranet access like my BB does.
There are always pros and cons to every option out there and it's no different with BB versus iPhone. That said, I'm not switching to a BB for my personal device. Work device is an entirely separate matter since it is company issued.
As with any use of the word "better" it's subjective. The BB can only push and reconcile at best. It cannot fully sync email like the iPhone does with ActiveSync. For me the BB isn't better for email. People really shouldn't mindlessly parrot that statement.
It's more like having a boring fleet car than a horse.
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The iPhone can fully configure itself. That is exactly what I did when moving from iPhone 4 to 4S without ever connecting the 4S to a computer. Simply chose to restore from the 4's last backup when setting up the 4S.
Have you ever used an iOS 5.x device right out of the box?
Michael
It most certainly can configure itself through an enterprise infrastructure. We do it all the time where I work. And it doesn't need an overpriced piece of middleware like BES to do it.
But, if you insist on going through RIM architecture, you should be able to configure it through that if you want, relatively soon.
It most certainly does. Multiple Intranet Platforms (Juniper, Cisco, F5 to name a few) support iOS. And I connect to my employer's intranet through Cisco IPsec all the time, without installing any third party apps.
It all depends on what your infrastructure supports. Because your employer might've made certain decisions about how it does things, doesn't mean that the iPhone doesn't have these capabilities.
I was at a meeting and the managers were discussing phones and email for their companies. One guy said he just bought 80 Blackberries for his company. We stared at him for a second then started laughing. He said it was the single worst decision he has ever made. His phone and others won't last more than 3 hours without being plugged in. Emails don't send/receive, errors galore. Blackberry is dead.
It's about Perception vs Reality.
Clearly in your reality the need for more apps, better camera and dual core is crucial, thus, to you, the public perception of Blackberry is accurate.
But that is YOUR reality. Not everyone elses
Sure you are one of a large percentage of the population, but, there is also a large percentage of the population that is in SIMPLE REALITY (Don't need the apps, bells and whistles)
Its just that RIM has not done a good enough job getting those people to understand the current OS7 offerings can meet their needs.
This is not a thread that is trying to say that RIM is perfect nor is it trying to say that RIM should not push the envelope and be a industry leader
Its just saying that RIM has not done a good enough job of letting the public know what OS7 can do.
thats it
My reality is reality. Coming from BB in my company which had constant problems similar to others-I have yet to hear an IT tell me his 20+ BB groups works well-I did not mention apps, camera, etc. The fact that the BBs just are not stable on a consistent basis for what the phone claims to do is my reasoning for thinking they way I do.
Poppycock
I already stated that it's YOUR reality. The company I work for uses BB's. Never heard IT complain about them what so ever. On the contrary, I heard BB's are nightmares to deal with. To say that BB's in reality are not stable.....is pretty much again poppycock.
That has nothing to do with the devices, rather the back end. Clearly he has incompetent IT people who have no clue what they are doing. Practically every fortune anything company uses blackberry's, large companies like Fedex use them, if they had the problems you describe, clearly blackberry would of been out of business long ago. The fact that large companies use them and continue to use them, demonstrates their effectiveness as a business tool.
Unfortunately, most of the things being written here about BB and their phones just simply is not true. But we can expect no different from an apple forum just as the people over on Crackberry say all apple stuff is garbage.
I personally moved away from BB this Nov. with the iPhone 4s but there are plenty of times I miss my BB. The iPhone is great and I like not having to carry 2 devices for my music and podcasts etc (bb + iPod touch) but i really miss the keyboard, bbm and ease of use. The BB is very simple to use.
If the new BB10 phones are good when they come out, I would seriously consider switching back to BB in Nov. when my upgrade is available.
I personally moved away from BB this Nov. with the iPhone 4s but there are plenty of times I miss my BB. The iPhone is great and I like not having to carry 2 devices for my music and podcasts etc (bb + iPod touch) but i really miss the keyboard, bbm and ease of use. The BB is very simple to use.
If the new BB10 phones are good when they come out, I would seriously consider switching back to BB in Nov. when my upgrade is available.