disclaimer- I hope regardless of which 2016 you get if you do, nTB, 13/15" TB, you enjoy your purchase and if you aren't having problems, don't be bummed by this or second guessing... So OK hear me out but if you dont-- (tl;dr bolded) Battery life is a huge deal for portables. Enough to make some users not care about the other sacrifices. perhaps another way to conceptualize what I'm getting at with this thread, and reason for creating it would be to rephrase the thread "Did Apple skimp/forego on some minor but consequential details for upgraded models?" but that comes across as a bit too sensational for my preference, and maybe also suggesting I am validating having nTB, (when in reality, I think TB is kinda cool/has potential but doesn't address pain points of traditional computing for me and I don't have a stake, don't care if people use Windows PC's, Macs, hackintoshes, Linux distros, or simply nothing at all-- but as a sidenote, I'm not torn up about 13" TB as I wasn't in market for Tb, it would just make my decision a tough one, I love that the laptop right in front of me is performing great battery wise my biggest concern especially since battery life tanked on my rMB 2015 on Sierra vs el cap hence restoring to 10.11-- it's just if It were me with a 13" TB in front of me, I'd wondering if I made the right move or should of waited or wonder why I spent the extra $300 if it was really all around worth it) just not for me I'd go bonkers with a virtual ESC key and certainly not now. ...also adding this edit since its added confusion to the discussion, I am purely comparing 13" nTB with 13" TB, and users who opt for 13"TB primarily for performance reasons (rather than the also perfectly OK reasons of wanting TB, touchID, 4 ports albeit 2 at half bandwidth just for disclosure on right side but still fine and obviously preferable to simply 2 on nTB.. it's just conceptually meh even if some rational engineering reason and not just greed, on parity with like not including an extension cable for users who have always used them even if thats a minority and doesn't make financial sense-- no matter the reason, can rub people a bit odd, same with Imo as with everything in this thread, TB models 13/15 having speakers fire from sides and bottom and can be blocked and muddied vs. nTB having them underneath the grills, even if acoustics are the same conceptually I prefer speakers under the grill not some engineering voodoo ) 15" for what its worth thrown in this discussion muddies it, and I think is a separate discussion to have (users need it for dGPU, real estate preference or need that can in no way be reproduced on a physically smaller screen, 4 full bandwidth ports exclusivity or quad core exclusivity -- that and dGPU, "performance exclusivity" lets bundle it as with a separate tier of workload in mind like heavily virtualized, editor, etc. Not a professional facebooker is what I mean) ULV, or ultra low voltage, proc (Air calibre power consumption proc vs Pro, essentially) and 54w battery in nTB vs. not a ULV proc, and reduced 49w battery while powering OLED touchbar, and touchID secure enclave/A-some'n chip to control TB (afaik), and 4- TB3 ports vs 2 potentially requires more power to regulate 2x (though I wish I had 4, and may not be significant not going to put some spin on that, I'll "deal" though ) the 54w is roughly 9.7% more capacity, lets just say 10% ..comes as no surprise to me, some users are experiencing disappointment on the 13" TB apple can't overcome "battery physics," and raw numbers, after all. I'm hearing similar with 15" and in some cases exacerbated compared to 13" TB which may be chalked up to inefficient graphics drivers, or a power hungry dGPU, who knows. But numbers wise, the odds are against these 13"TB models. It's not like a touchbar can forcibly make the machine, a non-ULV, run more efficiently and off a smaller gas tank, somehow. That's nice in theory though, a regulator intermediary to make wondrous leaps in battery life for TB edition. haha. On 10.12.0, shipping OS, but I made a carbon copy in case any point releases screw up the efficiency and butteriness of this machine, since software quality control is a loose cannon, (10.11.6 is remaining OS for my 12" 2015 rMB base battery life is significantly better on it than os Sierra, and smoother in scrolling and less beach balling in day to day. El cap on 2015 Core M seems like the sweet spot) anyways its odd to me strategically that the "cheapest" 2016 is the one that some people say is less prone to battery life issues as indicated by the raw specs and thinking about it, and arguably less experimental/more of a safe bet since TB is an early adopter trial run (but has potential, just not something I thought I needed and heavily dependent on dev's to pitch in, I understand there's OS baked in functionality but for it to really shine..) and gen1, not to mention it has functional speaker grills projecting sound from underneath the grills unlike 13/15" TB that has sound emitting from bottom and sides and supposedly if that area is blocked laying on your lap or something, it hinders sound (duh) This reminds me of apple making SE *too* good, at a significant discount MSRP compared to premium models and its similar but supposed superior 6s that gets objectively inferior battery life but is the more premium model otherwise with gen 2 touchID, 3D Touch, a much higher quality screen, and SE even has merits against 7/7+ too. Not too mention, it still has a headphone jack but of course thats a whole other debate. I have SE jailbroken and 7+, and I like 7+ a lot, but I'm not personally benefiting from not having it as an option, vs. a cosmetic speaker grill that actually doesn't even sound like its outputting anything... but again, I can deal. IF it were a deal breaker I wouldn't be buying it and then also complaining how its ruining my day, I would have just returned it. A9 efficiency+low res screen = plus like battery life, and then some in some cases, I have a feeling as a side note SE will hold value better than 7/7+ which will get the massive dump in resell around 7s/8 release time next year, even though I'll be holding onto my SE as a secondary/backup The "cheap" end models are becoming niche, and attaining cult-like status within the apple cult itself! oh man! demographic fragmentation! undermining and cannabalizing the premium end. the horrors!