Did Apple bite off more than it can chew?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by balaplus, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. balaplus macrumors 6502

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    Real-life reviews from customers are starting to come out (no doubt more representative than Tech reviewers who received early, selected handsets). A number of concerns (not real issues necessarily) are being raised:
    Screen Colour/viewing angles/tint
    Hit and miss Face ID and removal of Touch ID
    Notch

    The dust will settle down on some of these but did Apple bite off more than it can chew by making too many changes and relying on new components all in one-go ?
    After all at a price point of 1000, the product had to be flawless. It appears this is not the case.
    Will they maintain the momentum beyond the early adopter crowd?
     
  2. jbenkelman macrumors 6502

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    None of this will matter in 2 weeks. I remember people being FURIOUS at the design of the iPhone 4 (from the leak), and thinking that it was ugly and no one would like it. Once people got it in their hands that all changed.

    The notch is necessary and lets us have some pretty awesome technology. The screen color from an angle is a known OLED downfall, but who actually looks at their phone at an angle that often? And Face ID is going to be the new standard across all phones, so we can only improve from here...and I think this is a pretty good start.

    I think Apple has bitten off exactly enough, and is changing the game once again.
     
  3. kirkhuffy macrumors regular

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    People complaining about the screen: They've had iPhones for a long time (such as myself) and have grown used to the displays Apple has used. OLED is new for an iPhone and the warmer tones will take getting used to.

    FaceID: I have not had it fail yet. I've unlocked it a bunch of times while it was laying flat on a table in a dark room.

    Notch: Hasn't really bugged me much.
     
  4. Infinitewisdom macrumors 6502a

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    Got mine and absolutely love it. Face ID works perfectly and it's SO fast. This is why I love Apple.

    Also, am I late to the game here or is restoring from backup REALLY easy? I just held my iPhone X next to my old iPhone, and followed instructions on my old iPhone. Bam, restored from iCloud backup. Couldn't be easier. This is why I love Apple x2.
     
  5. Lucifer666 macrumors 6502a

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    Doesn't take them long:

    "Did Apple goof?";"Is Apple on drugs?" ;"Is Apple finished?"

    Makes scalpers seem like saints :D
     
  6. woodekm macrumors 65816

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    These are the same exact icons that were on the original iPhone in 07. This truly IS an anniversary edition!
     
  7. predation macrumors 65816

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    Apple HAD TO. competition was getting further away.
     
  8. balaplus thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Being an early adopter myself, Apple is in no way finished! But Tim Cook wants 90 billion from the next quarter alone ! That is a lot of Iphone X to be sold!!
     
  9. bigjnyc macrumors 603

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    why would people complain about the notch? they knew it was there before they ordered the phone... it was well documented and visible... if you chose to buy the phone despite the notch then you can't really complain about it... you knew what you were getting, its not like a defect that manifested itself after you turned on the phone.

    I personally don't love it, but I ordered the phone so I've decided to accept it.
     
  10. maflynn Moderator

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    I don't see how apple bit off more then it can chew, when these issues (if you want to call them that), have been known since day 1.

    First the Notch should not come as a surprise to anyone at this point, and its up to the consumer to determine if its an issue, ideally before they plunk down 1,000+ dollars.

    Secondly, FaceID was long reported that it could possibly be problematic, just look at the media event where it failed.

    Thirdly, the screen color and viewing angles, this is well known attribute of OLED screens, so again why is this surprising?
     
  11. TravisPNW macrumors 6502a

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    Just beware if you have an evil twin.

    I saw at least a dozen comments here over the last month about how Face ID can't be fooled by identical twins... but saw a CNN video last night of exactly that. Twin females with one unlocking the other's phone.

    Funny stuff...
     
  12. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    I think the biggest change is going to be gestures. I can’t, for the life of me, understand why they’re not a part of iOS 11 on all other devices. Or at least on more recent hardware. Seems to me like people could start getting used to them early.
     
  13. balaplus thread starter macrumors 6502

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    None of these issues are going to concern early adopters. But simple math shows that beyond the initial 10-12 million (early adopters belong to this group), Apple needs another 40-50 million in sale.
     
  14. iScone macrumors 6502

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    It's unquestionably better than any other iPhone in almost every way, but it seems to come at a cost - users will spend the first year putting up with things that will gradually become refined, most substantially with the 2018 iteration.

    Either people will be content to do that because they're playing with new tech first, or they'll prefer to wait. I prefer to wait, but I totally understand those who want it now.
     
  15. Lobwedgephil macrumors 601

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    It didn't fail at the media event.
     
  16. balaplus thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Apple is able to bring the cost down in 2nd gen of any tech ususally - Surely, in many ways, the price was 1000 because there were too many new components in one go - The could have gone OLED first, and then full screen with Face ID ?
     
  17. StoneCold X macrumors regular

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    Were you on 11.1 on your old phone?
     
  18. Aibocyrus macrumors 6502a

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    These changes come with the territory of a redesign....
     
  19. nfl46 macrumors 604

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    People complaining about a new product? Shocking. This is a first gen product. A lot of the hardware kinks won't be worked out until the S model next year. The AirPods were probably the only first gen Apple product that got it right on the first try.
     
  20. Packers1958 macrumors 65816

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    People hated TouchID when it first came out. Now some don't like FaceID, the same ones who hated touchID, but now think it's great.
     
  21. jasonklee macrumors 6502a

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    People indeed have short-term memory. The iPhone 4 was ugly as sin with those un-Apple-like black antenna lines.
     
  22. maflynn Moderator

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    Yes it did.

    Craig federighi tried to unlock and showcase how easy it was and instead he had to type in the passcode. No matter how you slice it, he failed to show off faceid.
     
  23. Packers1958 macrumors 65816

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    Because phone was rebooted right before they gave it to him. That forces a passcode to be entered first.
     
  24. maflynn Moderator

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    Like I said, no matter how you slice it Craig failed to show off the technology. To me and many other people, we chalk that up as a failure
     
  25. Lobwedgephil macrumors 601

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    Incorrect again. It did not fail, it worked as designed. and as Touch ID works as well.
     

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