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Did Apple Make The Right Move In Switching To Intel?

  • Yes

    Votes: 498 81.9%
  • No

    Votes: 66 10.9%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 44 7.2%

  • Total voters
    608
  • Poll closed .
I can't believe this is still being debated. Bootcamp/Parallels/VMWare! It now doesn't matter if your must have app doesn't come in a Mac version! It's become a "no brainer" for many, many people. All this even before considering the technical benefits of the Intel designs over IBMs, particularly in a low power environment.
 
I think PPC would've done them just fine!

Do we really need faster clock speeds? 3 GHz is about as much as anyone needs, sans the real professionals.

We should pretty much stop all processor development, and live with what we have.
 
I think PPC would've done them just fine!

Do we really need faster clock speeds? 3 GHz is about as much as anyone needs, sans the real professionals.

We should pretty much stop all processor development, and live with what we have.

I hope that was sarcasm...I'm assuming it was, but a nice sarcasm tag would have been nice to reassure us!
 
I think PPC would've done them just fine!

Do we really need faster clock speeds? 3 GHz is about as much as anyone needs, sans the real professionals.

We should pretty much stop all processor development, and live with what we have.


I hope that was sarcasm...I'm assuming it was, but a nice sarcasm tag would have been nice to reassure us!
Yes it would. That is unless she was serious.

Her comments brought back memories of when folks said 640K out to be enough for anybody.
 
You will _never_ find POWER6 in any machine that sells for under $10,000. They are aimed at a completely different market.

Wait 30 years and you will. Big iron from the 1970s (and there's still some running) now sells for almost recycle value only, no matter how many millions it cost to make.
 
I was under the impression that the Power6 CPU as brilliant as it is, is only reserved as a high-end work station and servers. I also thought IBM stated clearly that there would be little to no advantage for the "average" user because it's main intent was for hign-end purposes and the overall sticker price would not be cost effective for anything but high level pro users.

Personally I think my iMac is fast enough for what I am doing and I could not justify spending a kings ransom on a CPU that wasn't intended for home users anyway.


And the PPC vs Intel debate continues....... :rolleyes:
 
Wait 30 years and you will. Big iron from the 1970s (and there's still some running) now sells for almost recycle value only, no matter how many millions it cost to make.

And in 30 years from now, POWER6 will be outdated and slow compared to the consumer processors of 2037.

Some computers from the 70s may still be running because if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But if you were buying a new machine for your use, would you buy something that's 30 years old or would you get the latest and greatest?
 
Personally I think my iMac is fast enough for what I am doing and I could not justify spending a kings ransom on a CPU that wasn't intended for home users anyway.

And the PPC vs Intel debate continues....... :rolleyes:

Does that mean you don't want any speed increases in the future? :confused:

I personally think it would be awesome to have that much performance available in a desktop computer.
 
I hope that was sarcasm...I'm assuming it was, but a nice sarcasm tag would have been nice to reassure us!

Yes it would. That is unless she was serious.

Nope, not kidding. I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 GHz Mini and my 800 MHz iBook. I think 3 GHz is all the consumer mass as a whole needs. I think Apple should've stayed with PPC, and stayed where they were in terms of processor speeds. (RAM and hard drive updates would work though)

Her comments brought back memories of when folks said 640K out to be enough for anybody.

Hey fine with me, as long as we stop somewhere.
 
I can't believe this question is even being posed.

There are so many reasons that the Intel switch was brilliant.
 
Evangelion brought up a really good point. The chips that R&D engineers kick out are not the ones going into consumer systems. The power6 is cool, but it would not have been that 4.7GHZ speed. The power6 would not be a G6, just like the power5 was not a G5.

Here at work we make all different types of semiconductors. We start out with a nice SRAM chip, we then make multiple variations of it, DRAM, Image sensors, PSoCs, you name it.

It would have been nice to stick with the PPC chip (as my fav. song "where would I be with out IBM" does not hold the same emotions) But the thing was that they were running too hot at too high of power consumption.
 

Nope, not kidding. I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 GHz Mini and my 800 MHz iBook. I think 3 GHz is all the consumer mass as a whole needs. I think Apple should've stayed with PPC, and stayed where they were in terms of processor speeds. (RAM and hard drive updates would work though)
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That is a very very closed minded view.....those Mac might be fast enough, but why not get faster one? Not to mention software that will need more power. Then there are other people who use Apple computers too. You honestly we should all stay with old Macs from the early 2000s?

As for 3Ghz being all the consumer needs...I kind of lost respect for your ideas about computer speed. Basicly anyone who works with computers knows that 3Ghz alone isn't a very good measurement of true speed. Is P4 3Ghz enough, or Xeon 8 Core 3Ghz. Big difference.
 




Nope, not kidding. I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 GHz Mini and my 800 MHz iBook. I think 3 GHz is all the consumer mass as a whole needs. I think Apple should've stayed with PPC, and stayed where they were in terms of processor speeds. (RAM and hard drive updates would work though)


You're kidding me. Some of us actually do real work with our macs, not just update our myspace profiles and browse the web all day.
 
Nope, not kidding. I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 GHz Mini and my 800 MHz iBook. I think 3 GHz is all the consumer mass as a whole needs. I think Apple should've stayed with PPC, and stayed where they were in terms of processor speeds. (RAM and hard drive updates would work though)
Maybe I can offer a different perspective.

The world of computers is very dynamic and is constantly changing.

Eons ago, read 30 years, memory was measured in Kilobytes, with 16 being a huge amount. What we could do with computers back then, which was very cool at the time, would now be considered very limited.

There was no gigahertz myth back then. Heck there wasn't even a megahertz myth! CPU speeds were sub megahertz back then!

As the capabilities of the hardware grew, so did the applications that could run on the hardware that was available. What is now common was not even attainable back then.

To give an example, take a look at the Grapher application that comes with Mac OS X. In a matter of seconds I can graph a 3D object and then change the variables/equation and see the new result in a matter of seconds. This is awesome power for those who can use it. Back in 1977, I saw a mini computer that could barely draw a 2D chart that produced a single curved line as the output. You could actually watch each data point being plotted (drawn). Yes, it took a long time to plot this simple 2D line.

My point is while the computers of today can do well with what we currently have and use software wise, who knows what will be available 10 or 20 years down the road.

That is why computer hardware will continue to evolve and improve over time. So while what you have works for you now, who knows what you will want to do in the future as new application ideas come to fruition.
 
Nice one Sushi!

And for a few others ... Cassie is only 14 so can we be a bit more courteous when contradicting her posts?

Like her, I've got Luddite tendencies too. Valve over solid state, vinyl over CD, Super 8 & 16 mill over Beta and DV, props over jets etc. but with comps I want more and now! If Cassie gets into making her own music or films she'll want more too. But it's healthy to be satisfied and limitations are often great for creativity. Think early rock recordings from mono stuff to 8 track recordings. They were often more adventurous than a lot of producers today with a €200,000 Pro Tools rig. So perhaps she just advocating a "get on with it" ethos? Do your work and quit looking to tomorrow. I don't know. I like PPC too so perhaps I'm losing it.:( Or am I just a dirty old man?
 


Nope, not kidding. I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 GHz Mini and my 800 MHz iBook. I think 3 GHz is all the consumer mass as a whole needs. I think Apple should've stayed with PPC, and stayed where they were in terms of processor speeds. (RAM and hard drive updates would work though)

Hey fine with me, as long as we stop somewhere.

Ridiculous! And palpable nonsense.

If Apple hadn't gone to Intel, I, for one, would never have been tempted to try out a Mac mini and then (eight months later) splash out on a top-of-the-line Mac Pro. Various PC makers would have got my money instead. Compared to PCs of the day, late-era PowerPC-equipped Macs were a joke. I would never even have considered purchasing one. Apple was stuck in a rut, going nowhere. Intel has pushed Apple into the 21st century. Without Intel, Apple would be nowhere, or disproportionately reliant on iPod to survive. There would be no Apple TV. Can you imagine a G5 in one of those?

What possible advantage would Apple have got by sticking with PPC? Their laptop offerings would be laughable, compared to Merom. The PowerMac, assuming it got any upgrades at all, would be stuck with little scope for expansion and a massive cooling system that took up half the case. People on here would still be posting in pathetic "G5 PowerBooks next Tuesday !!!!1111ONEONEELEVEN" threads, hoping, against all hope, that Apple would launch a portable with a CPU that was something approaching half-decent.

Your computing needs must be something quite extraordinary if you're happy with a 800Mhz iBook and a 1.8Ghz Mac mini. You're like the Japanese soldiers found after the war, who found it difficult to accept that it was all over. My incredulity knows no bounds.
 
The move to Intel was well timed, imo.
Obviously they thought so too since they'd been at considering it for 5 years or so.

The Core Duo is so well suited to the iMacs and the Mini is still pleasingly quick.
I wouldn't have minded a desktop processor in the iMac, though but heat and size restrictions provide a decent excuse.
 
I would wonder how the Power6 "G6" processor would compare against the Intel Core 2 Duo, Woodcrest and Clovertown processors. Would it be faster than a Core Solo even?
 
I wish that they would have stayed with PPC but Motorola had problems getting out a mobile chip so i can understand why they jumped ship.

There was a quite a long thread about this on the notebookreview forum as well quite recently.

Somebody posted here asking did Apple lie to us and that was the title of this article here it also discusses the megahertz myth as well-
http://lowendmac.com/hodges/06/0817.html
 
But isn't it true that a 2Ghz Core Duo is quicker than a high end 3.6Ghz Pentium 4 or something? And that a 2Ghz Core Duo is about as fast as a 2Ghz Dual G5?

Therefore Apple wasn't lying to us much (though I'm sure they exaggerated the benchmarks), it's just the Core Chips are amazing compared to what was available before.
 
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