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Did Apple Get Exactly What it Wanted for Users in Google Maps Spat?

Icestorm815 said:
So the Australia incident was part of the marketing plan too? Apple has always prided themselves on making products and apps that work as you'd intend them to do. I don't see how deviating from that would be helpful for Apple's image. There's an awful lot of spin on that article, and there's no why I'm buying that.
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Two things, one the reason that happened to begin with is because that is technically the center of the regional area of that city. And two, most notably, everyone overlooks the fact that Google Maps got negative press too: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57558777-93/police-google-maps-giving-dangerous-directions-too/

Of course only Apple Maps will be reported properly in the media, because Apple Maps gets all the negative attention these days.

Also let's not forget that Apple booted the lame & outdated YouTube app too and Google came back with a much better app for that as well.
 
I'm a bit surprised that people are taking this theory seriously. The guy who came up with it doesn't even seem to be aware that the old Maps app was developed by Apple, not Google. When I saw this on the Loop, I thought it was posted for humor. :)
 
MacRumors said:
Bottom line: Apple took one for the team (ate some ****) and fooled Google into doing exactly what Apple has been asking for years. Users win.
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I find it hard to believe that Apple was playing a con here. They could have just as easily made a industry-changing mapping solution, still dump Google, and get them to release their own updated app with features that bring parity from Android.

Apple screwed up a major product launch in a way that is very surprising from a company who controls everything so tightly, but I think handled it with more class and humility than I thought we could expect from them.

I think this is wishful thinking, even if, we are now the winners of a market with more much-needed competition.
 
I don't care if Apple planned it or not. This had to happen. Google hadn't updated Maps since adding traffic close to 4 years ago. Maybe now that they're fully responsible for it and have to compete with Apple in the maps realm, they'll keep updating it.
 
Icestorm815 said:
So the Australia incident was part of the marketing plan too? Apple has always prided themselves on making products and apps that work as you'd intend them to do. I don't see how deviating from that would be helpful for Apple's image. There's an awful lot of spin on that article, and there's no why I'm buying that.
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Which Australia incident are you referring to? The one where a warning was issued about bad directions being given by Apple Maps, or the very similar warning about Google Maps issued two days later by Australian police? Of course you've only heard about one, because the media loves to report anything Apple-related, including bad press...
 
BaldiMac said:
I can't believe people are taking this theory seriously. The guy who came up with it doesn't even seem to be aware that the old Maps app was developed by Apple, not Google. When I saw this on the Loop, I thought it was posted for humor. :)
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The problem is - there are far too many people that will believe this because "I read it on the internet"

Sad.
 
Google got googled!

Fanboy logic my ^%&. I've been saying this all day. Apple took one on the chin and ended up giving its consumers exactly what they wanted. I understand haters gotta hate, but sorry fellas, Google got taken to business school today. You can cry all day and maybe it wasn't planned from the get go, but prior to iOS 6 we did not have turn by turn directions and now we have two great options for it! So in the end, it looks like Apple giving a choice to its consumers.

Whats really funny, is that Google wanted more data on iOS users and tried to hold turn by turn over Apples head thinking they have to cave. Now Apple got Google to give us exactly what we all wanted and what they would NOT give AND they kicked Google maps out of the native map slot! LOL Great negotiating Google!
 
Sorry but I really dont buy the bull crap that this is 'how Apple wanted it'. Thats plain crap.

Apple cocked up BIG TIME and are covering their asses. Thats what Apple do best.

Maps is a disaster, and they will be paying for it for years, until they actually realise that the ONLY way to compete with Google is to license from either Bing or Nokia, or get their own technology in place (i.e Satellites, UAV, Street View Cars, etc).

Given that Apple have no real interest in Maps, and make no money from it, they have very little motivation to make it do anything more than the bare minimum.

Maps will be dead in 5 years, or will be using outsourced content (and not just outsourced, broken Tom Tom data like it currently does).

(NOTE: My posts dont take into account childish 'your a fanboy' crap - I use products by a bunch of companies, and have no pathetic romance with any of them. I use Apple products because they do what I want. I use 2 Samsung monitors because they do what I want, and I use Google for my online services because it does what I want)
 
jonathanbruck said:
They are the butt of the joke. No way this was what they planned/wanted.
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Apple could have simply pulled Google Maps and said "Sorry, Google was being difficult, you'll just have to do without a good native maps app for a while."

It would have put pressure on Google and Apple wouldn't have looked inept with its half baked maps app.

The Google-Apple contract was nowhere near it's expiration though so that move would have been transparent and wouldn't have worked.
 
jonathanbruck said:
They are the butt of the joke. No way this was what they planned/wanted.
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You sir, are wrong. Intentions aside, do we have turn by turn now? Did Apple stifle innovation and keep Google maps off iOS? Are consumers better off now then before?

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samcraig said:
The problem is - there are far too many people that will believe this because "I read it on the internet"

Sad.
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This is where critical thinking comes into play. Something I see you are struggling with. Just because you are a 14 year old kid that can't think two seconds in front of the last doesn't mean its not doable. I don't think anybody was fooled (meaning Google) but it did force them into showing their hand. Results? Win for Apple and for iOS users.
 
Forgetful Writers?

I guess they forgot their post yesterday...

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/12/google-maps-for-ios-now-live-in-app-store/

It was a branding issue... Apple didn't take one for the team.

The absence of that feature from the built-in Maps app had been a major sticking point for the two companies, with its absence putting iOS at a disadvantage relative to Android and Google unwilling to add the feature to Maps for iOS unless Apple made concessions such as greater Google branding within the app and integration with Google Latitude.
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Wow. One does not normally see an Apple ball washing this good that's not written by Gruber. The letter writer has a future as a blogger.
 
WhoDaKat said:
Fanboy logic my ^%&. I've been saying this all day. Apple took one on the chin and ended up giving its consumers exactly what they wanted. I understand haters gotta hate, but sorry fellas, Google got taken to business school today. You can cry all day and maybe it wasn't planned from the get go, but prior to iOS 6 we did not have turn by turn directions and now we have two great options for it! So in the end, it looks like Apple giving a choice to its consumers.

Whats really funny, is that Google wanted more data on iOS users and tried to hold turn by turn over Apples head thinking they have to cave. Now Apple got Google to give us exactly what we all wanted and what they would NOT give AND they kicked Google maps out of the native map slot! LOL Great negotiating Google!
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Except a few things.

Apple isn't giving users the choice. GOOGLE gave people the choice. They could have not created an App and then you'd be stuck with Apple's maps. So how is it that APPLE gave anyone a choice?

Second - Google got exactly what they wanted. Now they get all the data they wanted that Apple wouldn't give them.

Seems like you are a little biased in your assessment there buddy.
 
rmwebs said:
Sorry but I really dont buy the bull crap that this is 'how Apple wanted it'. Thats plain crap.

Apple cocked up BIG TIME and are covering their asses. Thats what Apple do best.

Maps is a disaster, and they will be paying for it for years, until they actually realise that the ONLY way to compete with Google is to license from either Bing or Nokia, or get their own technology in place (i.e Satellites, UAV, Street View Cars, etc).

Given that Apple have no real interest in Maps, and make no money from it, they have very little motivation to make it do anything more than the bare minimum.

Maps will be dead in 5 years, or will be using outsourced content (and not just outsourced, broken Tom Tom data like it currently does).

(NOTE: My posts dont take into account childish 'your a fanboy' crap - I use products by a bunch of companies, and have no pathetic romance with any of them. I use Apple products because they do what I want. I use 2 Samsung monitors because they do what I want, and I use Google for my online services because it does what I want)
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Your post is nothing but pathetic, hate filled ignorance. Grow up and try reading a book now and again.
 
It's not spin

I don't know if it was all a big PLAN, but the natural way things worked out. Except for the bad Maps app, I think they knew it would be a little rocky, but never forget that Google and Samsung have their nasty fanboy spin too. Apple had no interest in paying for Google's APIs, so they could use the input from millions of iPhones and profit from that as well. Anybody who believes that Google would give their former partner free APIs in a version of Google Maps for the iPhone has really been drinking the Android kool-aid.

They would have liked Maps to be better, but anyone who's been divorced knows that breaking free from the ex has to be done. They'd eat Apple's lunch over the long term. So now, if you live in a region where the data is good, Maps is great! Silicon Valley, it's brilliant. I believe it will get better over time -- in fact, I see changes every other day -- and the flyover is really better than Street View for getting the route in my head.

I don't think they ever thought of overcoming Google's advantage in data. They will be a competitive product because they'll work on it.
 
Gordy said:
Whether apple intended this or not, its a win win for customers. Going from one basic google maps option, to apple's map and a far better google maps is awesome for users.
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And it's not just two options either. Even the short window between iOS6 release and now has given other maps a lot of visibility in the market.

I don't think it was Apples intention to Balls it up, but I do think they were hoping to for a more vibrant map market. I think they intended to build maps as a platform but ballsed up and didn't deliver a good enough base for that.
 
WhoDaKat said:
This is where critical thinking comes into play. Something I see you are struggling with. Just because you are a 14 year old kid that can't think two seconds in front of the last doesn't mean its not doable. I don't think anybody was fooled (meaning Google) but it did force them into showing their hand. Results? Win for Apple and for iOS users.
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Except I'm much older than 14 and have been a marketing/PR professional for over 20 years. I think I know a little more about marketing, PR and recognizing "spin" when I see it. OR rather - poor logic of a blogger/reporter who is either creating a sensationalist piece for link bait or who genuinely is ill-informed.
 
dumbest thing i've read all day

they spent an outrageous amount developing an in-house solution that got them a big ass black-eye and not much else as it regards the public discourse and overall perception

further, with the SDK, lots of apps will now use Google Maps instead of Apple's solution

they ****ed this up so bad its unreal
 
when i heard google was already working on its own maps, had this same thought in my head but only way it could work out is if it gets approved by apple.

am loving my google maps right now:D

Maps would or wont die quickly, might take a few years, only way we will know is its next major update.
 
samcraig said:
Except a few things.

Apple isn't giving users the choice. GOOGLE gave people the choice. They could have not created an App and then you'd be stuck with Apple's maps. So how is it that APPLE gave anyone a choice?

Second - Google got exactly what they wanted. Now they get all the data they wanted that Apple wouldn't give them.

Seems like you are a little biased in your assessment there buddy.
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They aren't getting the royalties from 100 million phones -- none, because Apple isn't subscribed -- so they're forced to go out and roll their own for the data. And I'm sure the buzz from you guys was that the Google app wasn't ready was because Google was "surprised" and "poor Apple", when they were the ones losing money, they were going to go out and compete for the long term instead of sitting on their fat monopolies. Point but not match.
 
Or how to turn an epic fail into a huge benefit for your customers at minimum expense.

Ok, I admit that apple maps must have been an expensive project, but sorry, it really suck here in europe. Very inaccurate.
 
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