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ian87w said:
Ah, so instead of articulating your own statement into a useful discussion, let’s just demean others. Got it.
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No I’m not Demeaning anyone at all. I’m just expressing my. Feeling that the other person is not really interested in any answers but more in some sort of a stupid shallow reasoning without real reasoning. But I responded because in fact I’m very open to dialogue and low-key I wanted the other person to. Actually respond with something like hey I am genuinely interested in what you had to say and I’m quite open to a debate about if the numeric design is good or not.

I’m still actually looking for a reasonable open minded debate on this topic. I’m quite open to it and in fact that’s why I started this tread
 
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zakarhino said:
This is a long way of saying you don't want to say why you think it's "ugly." Sir, are you aware that this is a forum and that you started this thread? You know, the thing you do on a forum when you want to engage in a dialogue with other people? ? If you're in a design related profession that 'deals with beauty on a day to day basis' I would imagine you're capable of describing a design beyond "it's ugly" or "it's beautiful"



For what it's worth I too deal with beauty on a day to day basis: me. I am the most beautiful person in the world.
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by the way you made me laugh with the comments about your beauty and also about the form that was kind of cute and really funny. So how do you find the design of the new MacBook Pro? Do you like it? Do you hate it?

There’s quite a lot of good features, like MagSafe, normal keyboard, some others…
There is horrible decisions. Like the notch. That’s Mind-bogglingly bad.
And then there’s the chubby rounded fat not elegant not sexy design of the body. If it was any other company I would say while it’s a computer, but since it’s a Mac – the computer that I own, that They have a design for that’s 10 years old, and it’s way way way prettier than a new one , Well that’s Regression, it’s stagnation, it’s. It’s evolving just backwards
 
zakarhino said:
I think the new MBPs look great, kinda retro looking and I much prefer the softer rounded corners over the weird angles of the last generation. I've seen other people say they look a little too much like a Microsoft device which I suppose is kinda fair.
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Typing this from my 2021 MBP and have my work Surface Laptop 3 next to me - cannot see how these devices are similar. They're both laptops and that's about it. Other than that, I support what you wrote, the rounded corners are also nicer to touch when holding the computer in your hand.
 
_karrol said:
Typing this from my 2021 MBP and have my work Surface Laptop 3 next to me - cannot see how these devices are similar. They're both laptops and that's about it. Other than that, I support what you wrote, the rounded corners are also nicer to touch when holding the computer in your hand.
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Who is holding a laptop in their hand? That’s not a Mobile phone it’s a laptop. It’s meant to be on the table. I don’t know how you can even use it while you’re holding it up in the air?! Crazy stuff you can read here
 
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mrLucas said:
Who is holding a laptop in their hand? That’s not a Mobile phone it’s a laptop. It’s meant to be on the table. I don’t know how you can even use it while you’re holding it up in the air?! Crazy stuff you can read here
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No, a desktop is meant to be on the table. A laptop is meant to be carried between different places and to be used on the go, e.g. when waiting at a gate an airport with nothing to put your laptop on but your knees or for casual use when you are in a comfortable position in an armchair or in bed. The new shape makes this easier.
 
it seems that I skipped a couple of comments, and there’s a few really great ones, so I’m gonna go back and try to reply to all of you guys some comments really made me laugh and there’s a few interesting opinions on the topic so I’m gonna try to reply to all of your comments and to sort of make up an interesting discussion about the design of the new MacBook. This was really my intention to not so much to state that it’s ugly although I do find it really ugly but more so too create a discussion about the reasons why it looks the way it looks and what for me feels like quite a big regression off the MacBook design that was much more beautiful 10 years ago than it is today it looked much more slick much more sexy much more elegant more beautiful generally so I actually secretly thing that I Apple did is intentionally took a sort of pleasing nerds and to kind of show that now they’re thinking about cooling and so on, and they intentionally made it look fat so that you would say hey there now serious about the computer and cooling is good and so on but the truth is they could’ve done it in a nice form factor to but they just didn’t want to this is my opinion in fact so but I’m happy to hear yours Opinions please. Please keep it respectful and let’s stay in the topic of the design of the MacBook so comments like. it’s a tool are not really good comments because yeah it’s a tool but he can also be a beautiful tool as well. Anyways keep the good comments coming and I’m gonna try to reply to all
 
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_karrol said:
No, a desktop is meant to be on the table. A laptop is meant to be carried between different places and to be used on the go, e.g. when waiting at a gate an airport with nothing to put your laptop on but your knees or for casual use when you are in a comfortable position in an armchair or in bed. The new shape makes this easier.
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can you please explain how? Because no it doesn’t and it’s very evident from what you said that it’s better to hold in hand but you holding your hand for like two seconds maybe but please go on and explain how it’s actually easier. It’s just ridiculous that she use the word easier it’s easier to do it OK great please tell me how
 
mrLucas said:
can you please explain how? Because no it doesn’t and it’s very evident from what you said that it’s better to hold in hand but you holding your hand for like two seconds maybe but please go on and explain how it’s actually easier. It’s just ridiculous that she use the word easier it’s easier to do it OK great please tell me how
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I think if you're making a claim contrary to mine, you should first provide your arguments. So far your only argument has been that you're working in a profession related to aesthetics and that the MacBook is ugly. To boot, you're offending other people. This is not a discussion, it's just a childish rant.
 
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mrLucas said:
No actually you think way too high about yourself. Please never address me again that would be a great gift that I can get from you and thank you a lot for that. By the way my job is to create a beautiful thanks. i’m actually a university educated person professional dealing with aesthetics every day. So yes something being beautiful is actually an objective thing not a subjective thing. But in your ignorance you don’t know that, and you feel afraid when your beliefs are questioned so you run back to your shell to hide – you say I’m going to block you well block me . You are the only one losing
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If it’s objective then you’d have no issues giving it a clear and concise list of what makes it ugly
 
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mrLucas said:
i’m actually a university educated person professional dealing with aesthetics every day. So yes something being beautiful is actually an objective thing not a subjective thing.
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I advise you to read this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/claims-of-authority.2323272/

You claim you are a university educated professional, followed by a highly debatable subjective opinion presented as fact.
You should know of all people (being academically schooled and such) that claims based only on status do not hold a candle in a constructive discussion and make a weak argument.

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I misread the OP at first glance. I thought he said he was an unviversity educated 'professor', but now I see it was 'professional'. I changed that in my answer but it does not change my point though.
 
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AndyMacAndMic said:
You claim you are a professor, followed by a highly debatable subjective opinion presented as fact.
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This made me laugh loud.
Do you really think that “university educated professionals” never have “highly debatable subjective opinions” that they present as facts?

Besides, all he’s saying is that he’s “dealing with aesthetics every day”.
So do I… every morning when I have a shower and shave my face.
 
Wando64 said:
This made me laugh loud.
Do you really think that “professors” never have “highly debatable subjective opinions” that they present as facts?

Besides, all he’s saying is that he’s “dealing with aesthetics every day”.
So do I… every morning when I have a shower and shave my face.
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You exactly prove my point (did you misread mine? :)).
Of course I do not think that "professors" never have such opinions. I never claimed that. But the OP seems to think to have authority based solely on his status. In that context I provided a link to another interesting thread on MacRumors about 'claims of authority' in my previous post.

The OP provides (IMO) a pristine example of such a (meaningless) claim.
 
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zakarhino said:
And that's if we're just talking about industrial design/aesthetics alone. The internals and design direction of optimizing for performance (thicker body for example) are the stars of the show, the improved external design is just the cherry on top for me. Apple going thicker and optimizing for more interior space by reducing the radius of the curves kinda plays a psychological trick on you because you end up thinking "this thing is here to do work, not just to look good sitting on a desk"
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The engineer in me wonders whether the shape was primarily driven by some combination of needing as much internal space as possible for the new hardware & cooling functions while trying to limit the ballooning out the exterior, coupled with the possible benefit of less machining/mfg time from not sculpting some hard edges. There’s a reason overhead-bin suitcases are designed mostly as dumb, boring rectangles to get in as much inner storage room as possible. If I’m betting $50, I don’t think the designer’s runway was the reason for the “boring blockism” design (which I’m completely fine with, given the results. It’ll hopefully be a matter of days before I put in my order for a 14”) but rather, was an acceptable result of the function-first focus finally.
 
I'm still admiring my 2010 beauty:
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I wonder if they will carry on with the great rounding with the iPhone lineup.

The ipod classic sure felt great in my hand.
 
mrLucas said:
Ugly as in not Aesthetically pleasing. The old MacBook Pro design is actually a much much better design. I’m not sure what you do for work but from your answer I’m going to assume that you’re not in any profession that has to do with aesthetics... It’s it could be hard to explain what’s beautiful to somebody who’s not really dealing with beauty on a day-to-day basis... And I guess I’m not really here to argue about it, I’m sure you would find some reasons why you actually liked new design so I feel that your question is not really a sincere question with more like her trap type of question … I could Of course go in and elaborate why find it to be ugly there’s quite a few reasons for it. But I also feel that anybody should be able to do that, and if you find yourself not being able to do this may be me discussing this with you is not really the best use of my time because you might not get it in the end anyway… Do you really not find anything about the new design to actually be ugly? It’s not that I can’t believe you, it’s that I guess I would like to think that most people that are not in a design related professions can still actually tell good design from bad design
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I'm actually a graphic designer and I would like to hear what about it that you find so ugly? I don't think it's perfect and I do have one issue with it (or maybe a couple...) but I still much prefer it to the previous look.
 
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