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If you have $3300 invested into it already $300 is worth spending on it, even if you just resell it you will make a return.

Barney

i think im going to take my losses and run. or walk.

or just stay home.

staying home is probably more accurate. lol.

PS--i don't think i'll make a return. for me to make a return, i'd have to sell it for $3600. that's the $3300 (MBP + Apple Pro Apps) plus the $310 that apple quoted me to have the logic board replaced. this math doesn't even add up. i need to add more to that number. but you get the point.....

pss--i know when to give up. and i think this is one of those times. it just doesn't make sense to spend one dollar to fix this thing. not to mention, three hundred whopper-roonies!!!

psss---say i fix it, i wouldn't want to sell it then because it's fixed. i would only sell it if i know i can't use it. i posted a thread about selling this model MBP and whether it was ethical or not. i mean, this MBP works running OS X Lion 10.7.5. i can show how stable it is. sell it right now. and feel fine without any moral guilt. none whatsoever. but, i'm not gonna sell it or do anything. i'm going to keep this thing to remind me everyday what a piece of ***** it is!
 
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i think im going to take my losses and run. or walk.

or just stay home.

staying home is probably more accurate. lol.

PS--i don't think i'll make a return. for me to make a return, i'd have to sell it for $3600. that's the $3300 (MBP + Apple Pro Apps) plus the $310 that apple quoted me to have the logic board replaced. this math doesn't even add up. i need to add more to that number. but you get the point.....

pss--i know when to give up. and i think this is one of those times. it just doesn't make sense to spend one dollar to fix this thing. not to mention, three hundred whopper-roonies!!!

psss---say i fix it, i wouldn't want to sell it then because it's fixed. i would only sell it if i know i can't use it. i posted a thread about selling this model MBP and whether it was ethical or not. i mean, this MBP works running OS X Lion 10.7.5. i can show how stable it is. sell it right now. and feel fine without any moral guilt. none whatsoever. but, i'm not gonna sell it or do anything. i'm going to keep this thing to remind me everyday what a piece of ***** it is!

You should sell it the second you get it fixed. An 820-2850 board doesn't just have GPU issues like the 820-2915, it has deeprooted PCB issues. It is a ticking time bomb. Get rid of it the second you have it back in workable/sellable condition.

On one hand, it is morally/ethically wrong to sell products that fail quickly.

On the other hand, Apple has made billions of dollars doing so.. so why don't you go ahead and make a couple of hundred without feeling so much guilt about it?
 
You should sell it the second you get it fixed. An 820-2850 board doesn't just have GPU issues like the 820-2915, it has deeprooted PCB issues. It is a ticking time bomb. Get rid of it the second you have it back in workable/sellable condition.

On one hand, it is morally/ethically wrong to sell products that fail quickly.

On the other hand, Apple has made billions of dollars doing so.. so why don't you go ahead and make a couple of hundred without feeling so much guilt about it?

i have the original logic board. is there a way for me to tell which board it is? is there a number between 820-2850 to 820-2195 that are ok?

i also got mine in dec of 2010 so it was late in the production cycle with this product. i believe it was introduced in april 2010.

also, are you just throwing up the word "deeprooted PCB issues?" this is a new wording that i haven't heard of regarding the model MBP 6,2 graphic-related kernel panics.

don't be offended though. i also made up my own wording in my earlier post calling it "anonymous defect."

no one, even apple knows exactly what's causing the gpu-related crashes in mavericks and mountain lion. they also echo the same "manufacturing defect" lingo. this was confirmed when i chatted with an apple rep online a few days ago. but, re-iterated, if i can remember... something like... "i don't remember anything changing with the 3 year from purchase coverage."

i guess they don't like to take care of their own mess, or only are willing to take care of it if its 3 years from purchase.

even an apple rep confirms that its a "manufacturing defect." so, the obligation is apple's to fixt it regardless of any coverage window.

i am sticking to this story. and i am not scared of any "deeprooted pcb issues" this mbp may or may not have.

PS-- did you even read where i said my computer works fine in snow leopard and now under os x lion? i don't think you did. tsk-tsk!
 
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It is illegal to sell a used part unless it is known to both the seller and the buyer it is used, so of course it is brand new.

Apple explicitly mentions the use of both new and refurbished parts in their repairs. This page mentions it in warranty repairs, but it comes up elsewhere. You should have looked into whether this was in fact stated by Apple before claiming that they wouldn't use any parts that are not new.


i think im going to take my losses and run. or walk.

or just stay home.

staying home is probably more accurate. lol.

PS--i don't think i'll make a return. for me to make a return, i'd have to sell it for $3600. that's the $3300 (MBP + Apple Pro Apps) plus the $310 that apple quoted me to have the logic board replaced. this math doesn't even add up. i need to add more to that number. but you get the point.....

pss--i know when to give up. and i think this is one of those times. it just doesn't make sense to spend one dollar to fix this thing. not to mention, three hundred whopper-roonies!!!

psss---say i fix it, i wouldn't want to sell it then because it's fixed. i would only sell it if i know i can't use it. i posted a thread about selling this model MBP and whether it was ethical or not. i mean, this MBP works running OS X Lion 10.7.5. i can show how stable it is. sell it right now. and feel fine without any moral guilt. none whatsoever. but, i'm not gonna sell it or do anything. i'm going to keep this thing to remind me everyday what a piece of ***** it is!

If it has been repaired, the ethics are no different from selling any machine of that model.
 
i have the original logic board. is there a way for me to tell which board it is? is there a number between 820-2850 to 820-2195 that are ok?

i also got mine in dec of 2010 so it was late in the production cycle with this product. i believe it was introduced in april 2010.

also, are you just throwing up the word "deeprooted PCB issues?" this is a new wording that i haven't heard of regarding the model MBP 6,2 graphic-related kernel panics.

don't be offended though. i also made up my own wording in my earlier post calling it "anonymous defect."

no one, even apple knows exactly what's causing the gpu-related crashes in mavericks and mountain lion. they also echo the same "manufacturing defect" lingo. this was confirmed when i chatted with an apple rep online a few days ago. but, re-iterated, if i can remember... something like... "i don't remember anything changing with the 3 year from purchase coverage."

i guess they don't like to take care of their own mess, or only are willing to take care of it if its 3 years from purchase.

even an apple rep confirms that its a "manufacturing defect." so, the obligation is apple's to fixt it regardless of any coverage window.

i am sticking to this story. and i am not scared of any "deeprooted pcb issues" this mbp may or may not have.

PS-- did you even read where i said my computer works fine in snow leopard and now under os x lion? i don't think you did. tsk-tsk!


It's actually quite simple. I take no offense at all!

Apple like to manufacture quiet computers. They also like to make slim computers. They also like to make powerful computers.

When you combine all of this in along with the fact that those machines have no bottom or side ventilation besides that tiny pathetic exhaust out the back, you get a very hot running machine.

All of them have this. The boards with core i processors run particularly hotter. The 820-2915 board(early 2011) runs so hot that out of the box, I can get the machine to throttle. No dust, thermal paste, in a 65f room. This causes the GPU to overheat and die.

A cool part about the 820-2850 machines is that, regardless of how hard you run them, for the first minute or two it is on - the fans stay silent. You can kill an 820-2850 in under 3 minutes by mining litecoin on it before the system tells the fans to kick in.. it's insane how bad the thermal management is on the MC371 2010 machines.

The 820-2850 has PCB faults where they just die and there's no apparent reason for it. It's not just GPU failures, there is more to it than that. While performing a standard repair on an 820-2850, it'll have no power, or behave erratically. If you search for "as is" dead motherboards, you'll notice there are substantially more 820-2850 out there than almost every other 15" Unibody board combined.

The reason you do not hear about this is because there are only a handful of companies within the U.S. that bother doing component level rework on Apple motherboards as a volume business. Some such businesses are..

a) L2 Computer
b) Assetgenie
c) Brickfence
d) us
e) probably others I haven't heard of..

Most people are just guessing at the problem or copying and pasting what some low level customer service rep told them. I'm sure if you ask anyone else who does this work, they will tell you that they hate the 820-2850 for the same reasons I do.

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PS-- did you even read where i said my computer works fine in snow leopard and now under os x lion? i don't think you did. tsk-tsk!

Yeah man, not really tsk tsk,

I don't have much to lose here, you do.

I'm trying to save you from being stuck with a lemon, and I'm giving you insight and ways to figure out which board you have so you can make an informed decision, for free, during my free time.

If you'd prefer to go over semantics of what I did or did not read in a post that has P.S. P.P.S. P.P.P.S over and over again, feel free to do that, I'll exit stage left.
 
It's actually quite simple. I take no offense at all!

Apple like to manufacture quiet computers. They also like to make slim computers. They also like to make powerful computers.

When you combine all of this in along with the fact that those machines have no bottom or side ventilation besides that tiny pathetic exhaust out the back, you get a very hot running machine.

All of them have this. The boards with core i processors run particularly hotter. The 820-2915 board(early 2011) runs so hot that out of the box, I can get the machine to throttle. No dust, thermal paste, in a 65f room. This causes the GPU to overheat and die.

A cool part about the 820-2850 machines is that, regardless of how hard you run them, for the first minute or two it is on - the fans stay silent. You can kill an 820-2850 in under 3 minutes by mining litecoin on it before the system tells the fans to kick in.. it's insane how bad the thermal management is on the MC371 2010 machines.

The 820-2850 has PCB faults where they just die and there's no apparent reason for it. It's not just GPU failures, there is more to it than that. While performing a standard repair on an 820-2850, it'll have no power, or behave erratically. If you search for "as is" dead motherboards, you'll notice there are substantially more 820-2850 out there than almost every other 15" Unibody board combined.

The reason you do not hear about this is because there are only a handful of companies within the U.S. that bother doing component level rework on Apple motherboards as a volume business. Some such businesses are..

a) L2 Computer
b) Assetgenie
c) Brickfence
d) us
e) probably others I haven't heard of..

Most people are just guessing at the problem or copying and pasting what some low level customer service rep told them. I'm sure if you ask anyone else who does this work, they will tell you that they hate the 820-2850 for the same reasons I do.

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Yeah man, not really tsk tsk,

I don't have much to lose here, you do.

I'm trying to save you from being stuck with a lemon, and I'm giving you insight and ways to figure out which board you have so you can make an informed decision, for free, during my free time.

If you'd prefer to go over semantics of what I did or did not read in a post that has P.S. P.P.S. P.P.P.S over and over again, feel free to do that, I'll exit stage left.

dude, before i even go any further, the MBP i am talking about is mid-2010 MBP 6,2....

all that free time and all this free expository of something unrelated.

Thanks a lot, buddy!
 
What I.a.rossmann said makes perfect sense. (Thanks for that information :) )

And I currently use the mid-2010 model as a paperweight.

You should probably just go get your logic board changed and learn from it! :roll eyes:
 
This thread piqued my interest as I do have the notoroious mid 2010 MBP with the panic fault/black screen of death problem. (I haven't verified the Logic Board type, but I suspect its one of the ones mentioned in this thread)

I think I will be buying a new MBP Retina display 15" soon, but still want to use that older one as a backup and patch it up for now with a new logic board. I don't think I'd want to sell something that will go wonky on me later on down the line to somebody else so I'll just run it into the ground, then probably send the parts off to a recycler.

Is there any place where I can buy a logic board out there? If so, where would I go?
 
FWIW, with these numbers.,

If you open the bottom panel, you will see a wire going from the wifi card that sits over the optical drive, to the motherboard.

On this section of the motherboard there is also a connector for the iSight camera.

There it'll be printed.

820-2850 = complete crap

820-2915 = partial crap

820-3330 = not crap, but it is only a year and a half old, so no way to tell yet.
 
FWIW, with these numbers.,

If you open the bottom panel, you will see a wire going from the wifi card that sits over the optical drive, to the motherboard.

On this section of the motherboard there is also a connector for the iSight camera.

There it'll be printed.

820-2850 = complete crap

820-2915 = partial crap

820-3330 = not crap, but it is only a year and a half old, so no way to tell yet.

Well I've got an 820-3330. Fingers crossed it'll be alright but as someone who had a 2007 MacBook Pro die 6 months out of the warranty I'm being pretty cautious honestly.

Since I'm not exactly a gamer I'm waiting on a new (hopefully Broadwell) MacBook Pro Retina to be released at which point I'll likely upgrade.
 
FWIW, with these numbers.,

If you open the bottom panel, you will see a wire going from the wifi card that sits over the optical drive, to the motherboard.

On this section of the motherboard there is also a connector for the iSight camera.

There it'll be printed.

820-2850 = complete crap

820-2915 = partial crap

820-3330 = not crap, but it is only a year and a half old, so no way to tell yet.


quick searches on the net seems to indicate that these numbers are logic board numbers corresponding to different macbook pro model years.

820-2850 = mid-2010 15" MBP's
820-2915 = 2011 15" MBP's
820-3330 = mid-2012 15" MBP's

mine is the complete crap one according to you b/c i got mine in 2010.

again, thanks a lot, buddy!

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Well I've got an 820-3330. Fingers crossed it'll be alright but as someone who had a 2007 MacBook Pro die 6 months out of the warranty I'm being pretty cautious honestly.

Since I'm not exactly a gamer I'm waiting on a new (hopefully Broadwell) MacBook Pro Retina to be released at which point I'll likely upgrade.

you mean to say you have a 2012 15" MBP, right?

wow!
 
Well I've got an 820-3330. Fingers crossed it'll be alright but as someone who had a 2007 MacBook Pro die 6 months out of the warranty I'm being pretty cautious honestly.

Since I'm not exactly a gamer I'm waiting on a new (hopefully Broadwell) MacBook Pro Retina to be released at which point I'll likely upgrade.

The 820-3330 is too new to know how good it is yet. It does seem to have far fewer issues. We personally have never had to do a warranty repair after repairing a 3330 board. But, still, too new to tell.
 
my apology if my response has been a bit sarcastic. i am just frustrated by the lack of support and information and willingness from apple to fix the affected mid-2010 MBP's free of charge.

my stance is that i won't pay $310 to have the logic board replaced. i just won't. i can't afford it. and it's not my obligation. from what i know, the defect from my MBP is not from wear and tear but an inherent issue from the factory. so, the ball is not mine. apple has the ball and i think they might be dropping it. well, they did. they won't fix my MBP free of charge b/c it is beyond the recall window they arbitrarily put in place.

i guess the question is why did i act so late? well, the answer to that is quite simple. i had 2 macs at one point. before selling my mid-2011 mac mini, i was using it 100% for video editing and motion graphics. and then last year, i sold my mac mini and got a gaming pc. i then turned this pc into a hackintosh for fun and then edited my videos on that machine. but, since OSX 10.9.2 came out, i decided to make the PC into just a windows PC since I didn't wanna deal with the hackintosh thing anymore and making it work each time it breaks with each OS update. ironically, i was fed up with the hackintosh KPing at boot each time I updated the OS.

anyway... so, i was down to one real mac, which is my mid-2010 MBP. up until this time, I had known of the issue that some Mid-2010 MBP's were affected by some graphic-related thing. I just didn't know mine was. i mean, my MBP up until this time was relegated to browsing the web and writing resumes and cover letters. yep, i am also out of work, hence, the can't afford to fix logic board thing! anyway, i thought my MBP was one of the lucky ones without the graphic-issue. this was of course until i had to use my MBP for editing videos, which is what I do from time to time. I don't do it professionally or for work but I do edit videos seriously if that makes sense. anyway, my MBP would KP each single time I would work on an FCP X or Motion 5 project. this is when it dawned on me that my MBP might not be so lucky and this is when I started to read about the seriousness of the gpu-related issue necessitating a logic board swap, of all things! so i researched and wrote posts, including this one, went to the apple store to diagnose my computer, spoke to an apple tech online, in a futile effort it seems to find a solution.

well, after a month of this and no fix that i can afford, i am fine. i look at my MBP now as a glorified netbook. it doesn't KP (and if it does its random) browsing the web, writing email, cover letters and resumes. i can't use video, or motion graphic programs or even garageband. although, i think i can still edit photos with it. for some reason, this computer allows me this one thing. so that is my story. it's kinda sad. i look at my MBP as a baby with some kind of incurable disease and there is nothing i can do about it. nothing.

what is the hope for humanity then if they can't fix a piece of electronic? and find a cure for whatever is ailing my MBP without swapping its logic board, which is a cop out since that is basically replacing everything for a new or refurbish one. i mean, the hope for humanity is basically tithering on zero. 1) apple's answer to it is logic board swap which is a cop out; 2) they put a window to their recall program; 3) they make the software and the hardware; 4) make the software work with the hardware; 5) no explanation from apple except "latent defect"

thanks!
 
Logic board replaced experience

Hi,

I had the logic board replaced by Apple in June 2014 and since then the MBP has been running very good. After replacing the logic board the GPU passed the VST test and since almost 5 months the MBP has been working very good. The thing is that I am still running on Mountain Lion and I am a bit worried that if I upgrade to Mavericks, some how the new logic board will start failing the same way it was failing with the original LB. I have read that Mavericks was not a good option for Mid 2010 MBP but I need to upgrade in order to use Protools as this one is not supported in Mountain Lion.
I don't know the model of my new logic board, but I believe there is only one model for my Macbook Pro 6.2 (mid 2010) 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7. I will find out soon. What I have realized is that the original Specs of my MBP states that the Intel HD Graphics comes with 256 MB of DDR3 SDRAM and that is not what appears now in my system information. The Intel HD Graphics shows now 288 MB. This little differences makes me wonder if they actually replaced my LB with another model, its a bit weird.
Anyways, it has been running smooth since the replacement. What Would you recommend me to do? to upgrade to Mavericks or stay with MLion?

Thanks.
 
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