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Did the lack of discreet GPU kill the 13" rMBP for you?

I was never expecting a discrete GPU-- and based on the Verge's hands-on, it sounds like the HD4000 will do just fine anyway.

I was just hoping for a 256GB SSD in the base model for $1699.
 
CausticPuppy said:
I was never expecting a discrete GPU-- and based on the Verge's hands-on, it sounds like the HD4000 will do just fine anyway.

I was just hoping for a 256GB SSD in the base model for $1699.
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I saw that video too, things weren't bad at all. Hopefully in reviews and more hands on videos, the Intel 4000 will prove to perform just as well.
 
Steve121178 said:
Amazingly I am still considering it. I have a base 2011 MBA and the 128 SSD and 4MB RAM makes it very hard to work with.

With the 13" rMBP I can get the storage I need, plus with the 8GB RAM I will be able to run a Windows 8 VM which will allow me to eliminate my MBA & Vaio Z.
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You can get that with a 2012 MBA.
 
Beanoir said:
I love how people think they know the workings of the Apple board...truth is Jobs departure has nothing to do with the design of a MBP. Get over it.

In any event, its actually been proven that the HD 4000 is more than powerful enough to cope with the retina display in the 13", so your comments hold no weight at all.
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Have you read his bio, interviews with former employees, the 10-K reports? Do you understand what responsibilities a BoD has v. the management team? Were you not aware Jobs had the final say in practically every hardware (and software) release and that investors were assured last year there was a two year pipeline with his stamp on it? Do you listen to the quarterly earnings calls? Do you speak regularly with investor relations? Do you follow analyst's reports instead of just a rumors message board? Have you owned and used computers (inc. Apple) since the mid 80's? Have you ever worked for a Fortune 500 computer firm?

Obviously, the answer is no. When you can answer yes to all of the above, and have completed a few courses at a top tier law school in corporations so you don't get confused about what a BoD does, and does not, do, and you've put 100 grand of your money in AAPL, then come back and argue with me, but not until then, or you will be ignored.

PS - Go buy an MBP with an integrated GPU and run the X-Plane 10 demo on it at native rez/very high to extreme rendering settings with scattered clouds and 30 miles viz. Let me know when you break single digit FPS...if it runs at all.
 
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I say, buy the thing and return it if it sucks.

A sound plan IMHO

I'm thinking it will be fine. It IS pricey though for what it is....maybe.
 
almost. until i realized that, at best, it'd have a 630m or 640m... which wouldn't be good enough for PC gaming either.
 
Price for me.. I'll wait till it drops like the air did... and whenever it's quad-core and has discreet graphics
 
InlawBiker said:
No, the price killed it for me. But the 13" Pro has never had a discreet GPU before, why would it have one now? Maybe they somehow got the HD4000 to perform nicely but we'll find out shortly.

At this price I think it's between the 13" Air and the 15" Pro. The former if you have common sense, the latter if you have unlimited funds.
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well the 13 inch macbooks have

I think the 15 MBPr with student discount at 1999 is the best deal right now
the 13 retina is 1599 with student discount.
 
was waiting for this as my 1st mac purchase, but not anymore. very disappointed. i will hold off.

as if apple products aren't already overpriced, this is WAY overpriced for what they're offering
 
i've been using the 15" rMBP for 4 months. the screen is amazing but the hd4000 graphics chip cannot keep the animations smooth. you can tell when you activate mission control. the animations run at about 20fps. i would wait unit next update.
 
Steve121178 said:
Perhaps any advancement with integrated graphics with Haswell may make the machine a more attractive purchase
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I expected a 13" version to debut next year with haswell and experience in making the first one. I'm not sure why they pushed it out this year. It's also difficult to determine their reasoning on pricing. The 15" rmbp is extremely light and compact. It's small enough that weight differences shouldn't be a major factor. I kind of wonder how this product will sell.

cirus said:
No, because i never thought they would put one in in the first place.

What killed it was the price. Cmon, it should have 256 GB standard, 128 barely costs more than a 750 GB 2.5 inch HDD
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That too, although I always felt Apple just bundled as much stuff as possible with the 15" to ensure people would accept the high cost of entry. Things tend to cost more when configured to order.
 
Yes. After I saw that... zero interest.

EDIT: And I just saw that they've got the same CPU as the non-retina models. I thought they were quads. God.
 
$1700 for dual-core, integrated GPU, 128GB SSD flash? What is this? 2007?

Apple thinks they can sell anything just by putting the word Retina on it. lol.
 
Waiting for the day!

Waiting for the day :apple: kills off 13 and 15 inchers in the 'pro' line of notebooks because the only notebook they should continue to deem 'pro' is the 17 inch MBP - thank you very much, all this waste of time, resources and sh-ite, should all be put into a well crafted 17" MBP, I don't care if it is 3000 or even 4000 dollars, just do it already :apple: For crying out loud, retina is getting real lame because if it was retina with a powerful CPU GPU etc etc, thinner, lighter - what ever, fine.

Retina the 'f out of the Airs, I don't care, retina the 17" MBP, I can wait another year if it will take them that long to get it right. This teasing with 13 and 15 inch retina macbook toys is really toiling with my patience. Fads fads fads, I'm glad they will die soon. AX those darn gadgets - they are not PRO by any stretch. Who had done dick with those machines worth ooohing and ahhhhing about recently? These CONsumers are buying up these retina macbook dildos to play F ing games for crying out loud, that is what bulky arse PC's are for - sheesh. No creative person is using these things. The creative developers are all still using their snappy and incredible 17 inchers.
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There were several things that killed this product for me.

1. It costs £1450 in the UK. Yes, ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS. That's $2315 dollars in case you didn't know.

2. For that price you get a measly 128GB, yes you heard right.. 128GB. This is supposed to be a "pro" machine remember.

3. No option for a dedicated graphics card, again this is supposed to be a pro machine.

4. Restricted RAM to 8GB, with no future upgrade possible. Pretty pathetic for a "pro" machine.

Basically, this Macbook "Pro" isn't really a "Pro" at all. It has literally no benefits over a MBA except for the display.

Oh yes, did I mention it costs £1450... and you get 128GB of storage. Probably the most stupid pricing I have ever. Very long time Apple fan here, but every year my love for this company falls a little bit.
 
Never expected discrete graphics either.
Only thing I was hoping to see is a tad bit more RAM.
Anyway, it's still not a deal breaker for me... waiting for the order to arrive.

PS: All the "Pro" or "not Pro" discussions are boring...
It's "Pro" if it helps you in your "professional" activities... if it doesn't, it's not "Pro".
... simple as that. Just because you can afford a Ferrari, it doesn't automatically make you a F1 pilot.
 
Hephaestus said:
There were several things that killed this product for me.

1. It costs £1450 in the UK. Yes, ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS. That's $2315 dollars in case you didn't know.

2. For that price you get a measly 128GB, yes you heard right.. 128GB. This is supposed to be a "pro" machine remember.

3. No option for a dedicated graphics card, again this is supposed to be a pro machine.

4. Restricted RAM to 8GB, with no future upgrade possible. Pretty pathetic for a "pro" machine.

Basically, this Macbook "Pro" isn't really a "Pro" at all. It has literally no benefits over a MBA except for the display.

Oh yes, did I mention it costs £1450... and you get 128GB of storage. Probably the most stupid pricing I have ever. Very long time Apple fan here, but every year my love for this company falls a little bit.
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PRO = Profit Reaping Overkill
 
how the hell do they justify the 300$ or € price increase when going from 128GB to 256GB? ridiculous!
 
xav8tor said:
Have you read his bio, interviews with former employees, the 10-K reports? Do you understand what responsibilities a BoD has v. the management team? Were you not aware Jobs had the final say in practically every hardware (and software) release and that investors were assured last year there was a two year pipeline with his stamp on it? Do you listen to the quarterly earnings calls? Do you speak regularly with investor relations? Do you follow analyst's reports instead of just a rumors message board? Have you owned and used computers (inc. Apple) since the mid 80's? Have you ever worked for a Fortune 500 computer firm?

Obviously, the answer is no. When you can answer yes to all of the above, and have completed a few courses at a top tier law school in corporations so you don't get confused about what a BoD does, and does not, do, and you've put 100 grand of your money in AAPL, then come back and argue with me, but not until then, or you will be ignored.
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You're right I haven't completed the courses in telling me what a BoD does because I actually AM a BD representing one of the largest UK financial services institutions and a FTSE 100 company and an infrastructure fund. SO the answer is yes, I am well aware thank you very much, and understand exactly the nuances of the BoD vs. the management team....its my job to know, and I probably have a far greater grasp of it than you do by the sounds of it.

My original comment still stands, the departure of Jobs will not have that much of direct impact on the design of the products that Apple launches. I've read all the rubbish too, but if anybody truly believe that Jobs could test every product personally as well as perform all of his other duties then they would be foolish.

Have you owned Macs since the mid 1980's?? Because i'm willing to bet all of your AAPL stock that you haven't...brave enough? ;)
 
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Really the 13" rMBP should actually reboot the MacBook line, as others have said - it's not a pro machine.
 
There's a reason the 13 inch macbook pro is your best selling macbook. It's the best price/performance ratio and relatively low cost in comparison to the rest of the lineup.

I also don't understand the fascination with slimming down all the macbooks, even the iMac. These machines are supposed to be about performance. Even then I would not consider the classic 13 and 15 inch macbooks in any way fat. Yet that is what we're led to believe. If you compare these macbooks with any pc laptop they look like airs in comparison. There is just no need to make it any thinner. Fit more performance in please....

Apple are also saving on cost. Less materials used in construction of macbooks, while increasing the cost and removing user serviceable upgrades. Inadequately specced, overpriced and non upgradeable. Count me out.
 
Good fit for me

Didn't kill it for me.

For my day-to-day work (web dev, novel-writing), the new 13 rMPB is perfect. I only rarely dabble in games, and the HD4000 is perfectly fine for the once or twice a week I need to fire-up PhotoShop CS6.

Battery life, screen clarity (sharp text, I spend many, many hours sat in front of Scrivener), snappy performance and portability are more important than slick gaming* graphics to me. I lug my MacBooks around all day, but I need performance.

Disk space is the only minor concern - I'll be downsizing from a 15" C2D with 250Gb to the 128Gb SSD, but to be honest... I have over 80Gb free, and 35Gb of the space is being used by WoW (which I dont play any more)! I use cloud storage for day-to-day files, which is far more secure anyway.

I ordered 2.9 i7 / 128Gb rMBP 13 as it's a good fit for my workflow. If I wanted a meatier graphics machine I'd have saved my pennies for another 6 months and get the 15" (at an eye-watering £2200 for my dream config).


*From the YouTube videos I checked out last night, the HD4000 is capable of far, far better graphics than my PS3 so I'm not worried.
 
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