Did Tim Cook tell the truth about what Vision Pro can do? (video clip)

[Piggie]

Wondering what your opinion is on his statement?

Tim said: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"
*** Correction***
Tim actually said ""It'll do anything you Mac or iPhone can do and more""

Now, of course he's not talking about some hypothetical future product that they may produce years from now.
He's talking on TV about what their new product, Vision Pro can do.

Again: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"
*** Correction***
Again: "It'll do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"

So he is publicly stating it can (not it will or it might, or it has the potential to) But it can do everything a MAC can do.
Not can do what an iPad running a limited OS can do, but what a Mac Computer can do.

So he is telling us all, that perhaps by the middle of next year, I won't need to buy an iPhone, I won't need to buy a Mac
I just need to buy a Vision Pro and it will be able to do ANYTHING those product can do....

My personal view:
Could, in theory devs create Vision Pro versions of their iPhone, iPad apps? Sure as I understand it's running a type of iOS Operating System.
Could all Mac developers create Vision Pro versions of their Mac Apps running MacOS ? Perhaps, I'm not sure?

Will the Vision pro do anything a Mac can? I must say a strong NO as I strongly suggest it's only could to be able to run apps which Apple wants it to be able to run, which is not like a Mac computer.

Personally I don't think the CEO of Apple should really have said that as to me I'm expecting that statement is not accurate and will not be true, at least not for this current/forthcoming product.

 

[subjonas]

From what I’ve seen of the VP, that is not a true statement.

It’s especially odd he said Mac and iPhone, the two devices it has the least overlap with, and not the iPad, which it has the most overlap with.

 

[Piggie]

From what I’ve seen of the VP, that is not a true statement.

It’s especially odd he said Mac and iPhone, the two devices it has the least overlap with, and not the iPad, which it has the most overlap with.

Indeed, I agree with you.
If he has said something like:
It can do anything our top of the line most powerful iPad can do, and much much more in a spatial environment

Or something like that then sure. But everything an iPhone or Mac computer can do.
Yes it was a weird statement to make I feel.
And he's the CEO not just some over enthusiastic sales guy.

 

[JPack]

An iPod, a phone, and an Internet communicator.

Vision Pro is the first major new category for Apple since 2007. Cook is under pressure to duplicate iPhone and create a legacy. In theory, it could do what Mac and iPhone can do, but certainly not yet.

Keep in mind these statements are all scripted by the marketing team. Their goal is to create sound bites.

 

[Allyance]

Tell us what you think it can't do. I have watched the movie and presentations several times, I have yet to see what it can't do. It certainly does many things the Mac and iPhone can't do.

 

[Piggie]

Tell us what you think it can't do. I have watched the movie and presentations several times, I have yet to see what it can't do. It certainly does many things the Mac and iPhone can't do.

Can you use you Mac to browse to freely browse the web, find any Apple Mac program you'd like to look at, download and run it?
I'd imagine you would say yes to that question.
So of course, According to Tim, the Vision Pro is going to be able to do that as it can apparently do everything a Mac can do.

Some people seem annoyed that today powerful iPads can't run Mac Apps.

It makes no sense that Mac apps don't run on iPads, now that they have the same chips - Liliputing

It makes no sense that Mac apps don't run on iPads, now that they have the same chips

liliputing.com

I have to ask myself, if iPads running iOS can run everything a Mac user would want, then why would anyone be annoyed about no Mac Apps?
So I'm guessing iOS lacks some abilities Mac have due to Apple blocking this being a reality.

If Vision OS is based on iOS then are we expecting any difference?

 

[subjonas]

Keep in mind these statements are all scripted by the marketing team. Their goal is to create sound bites.

But marketing sound bites still need to be true. I don’t see how his statement can be interpreted as true. Maybe he slipped and accidentally went off script, although that doesn’t seem likely.

Tell us what you think it can't do. I have watched the movie and presentations several times, I have yet to see what it can't do. It certainly does many things the Mac and iPhone can't do.

What do you mean?
VisionOS is built from iOS. There are many things iOS can’t do that macOS can do, besides obviously running Mac applications which in itself is huge—just refer to the countless iPad vs Mac threads in these forums to see examples.
It can do almost all of what an iPhone can do, but not the things that make the iPhone unique from an iPad, which are that the form factor enables it be brought and used anywhere all day, and it can make phone calls. So it would have made much more sense to compare the VP to a wifi iPad.

Nobody is arguing the “and more” part of his statement, of course.

 

[jz0309]

It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more

I might have totally missed that during the intro - does vision pro have cellular capabilities?
I think the answer is no, so vision pro cannot make/receive phone calls when not on wifi. While this might come in the future, I can't wait to see people on the beach answering one their visionpro ...

I see many opportunities for the vision pro and Apple certainly needs to drum the bells to get it established. As of today, it is all about marketing ...

 

[Piggie]

Just to add:

As the Vision Pro will have the M2 chip which is basically a whole Mac Computer on a single chip.
And of course, the Vision Pro gives you any size screen you want.
Plus either a physical or virtual keyboard.

I can't see why, in reality a Vision Pro cannot do at Tim said "do everything a Mac can do"
Unless Apple deliberately decide to block it from having that ability.
As for Making Phone calls, like an iPhone can do. Again, that would be a simple addition should Apple want the device to make phone calls. Unless again Apple deliberately chose to block it from having this ability.

His statement says that you won't need an iPhone or Mac computer as the Vison Pro does everything both those products do.

I guess we shall see if it can early next year.

 

[salamanderjuice]

Tell us what you think it can't do. I have watched the movie and presentations several times, I have yet to see what it can't do. It certainly does many things the Mac and iPhone can't do.

Compile a random C program? Run a Wii U emulator? Do stuff the iOS app store restrictions don't allow?

I don't think he lied but I doubt they will let us mortals do whatever we want. It can do it but they probably won't let us.

 

[ratspg]

Wondering what your opinion is on his statement?

Tim said: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"

Now, of course he's not talking about some hypothetical future product that they may produce years from now.
He's talking on TV about what their new product, Vision Pro can do.

Again: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"

So he is publicly stating it can (not it will or it might, or it has the potential to) But it can do everything a MAC can do.
Not can do what an iPad running a limited OS can do, but what a Mac Computer can do.

So he is telling us all, that perhaps by the middle of next year, I won't need to buy an iPhone, I won't need to buy a Mac
I just need to buy a Vision Pro and it will be able to do ANYTHING those product can do....

My personal view:
Could, in theory devs create Vision Pro versions of their iPhone, iPad apps? Sure as I understand it's running a type of iOS Operating System.
Could all Mac developers create Vision Pro versions of their Mac Apps running MacOS ? Perhaps, I'm not sure?

Will the Vision pro do anything a Mac can? I must say a strong NO as I strongly suggest it's only could to be able to run apps which Apple wants it to be able to run, which is not like a Mac computer.

Personally I don't think the CEO of Apple should really have said that as to me I'm expecting that statement is not accurate and will not be true, at least not for this current/forthcoming product.

Yeah it can do everything your Mac can do when you share your Mac's screen to it.

 

[wilhoitm]

Compile a random C program? Run a Wii U emulator? Do stuff the iOS app store restrictions don't allow?

I don't think he lied but I doubt they will let us mortals do whatever we want. It can do it but they probably won't let us.

The Apple Vision Pro lets you connect to a Mac and control it via the headset. Of course then you can run anything that Mac will run. Maybe that is what he was talking about?

 

[4087258]

You guys are overthinking it.

It has a M2. It has mouse support and many other new things.
It can do whatever Apple and devs put there 🤷‍♂️ Simple.

 

[Analog Kid]

People get hung up on the weirdest things... It was a throw away hype line to a morning show. Take it in the spirit it was given and it won't be so distressing.

"My Mac has PCI slots, so if I can't put my Sonnet card into my Vision Pro, Tim Cook is a liar!"

 

[Bodhitree]

They’ve certainly executed well on the hardware, with an M2 processor it has the same capabilities as a laptop. But I don’t think they have nailed the software. If you look at the iPhone when it came out, straight out of the box it had most of the software you needed to make the device revolutionary. I don’t get that feeling with the Vision Pro. I think Apple still have a lot of work to do.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Wondering what your opinion is on his statement?

Tim said: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"

Now, of course he's not talking about some hypothetical future product that they may produce years from now.
He's talking on TV about what their new product, Vision Pro can do.

Again: "It can do anything your Mac or iPhone can do and more"

So can it install apps outside of an app store? Can it run Final Cut Pro? Can it run my Steam games? If not, then that's a flatout lie.

 

[ThomasJL]

Unlike Steve Jobs, Tim Cook doesn’t care about getting to know about the functionality of Apple products. Cook is only concerned about the money.

 

[klasma]

Tell us what you think it can't do.

Mobile calls. Display content to more than one person at a time. Last longer than two hours on the go without additional hardware. Be water proof. Allow fast typing without additional hardware. Be used while you’re wearing a motorcycle helmet. Allow comfortably looking at content at close distances (it has a fixed focus of around 6 feet). Run macOS apps without additional hardware. Allow precise drawing/sketching with a pencil. Allow Siri use without wearing/holding it. Allow use as a notification device without wearing it (i.e. like the new iPhone StandBy mode). Allow use as an alarm or timer without wearing it.

Just off the top of my head.

 

[JPack]

But marketing sound bites still need to be true. I don’t see how his statement can be interpreted as true. Maybe he slipped and accidentally went off script, although that doesn’t seem likely.

There is no enforcement on these kinds of public statements. Is the statement accurate from a literal sense? Of course not. But from a practical point of view, consider the audience of Good Morning America. When Apple's marketing team wrote the script, they know the housewives watching GMA aren't going to be up in arms because it can't operate on cellular or connect an external monitor.

 

[neuropsychguy]

So can it install apps outside of an app store? Can it run Final Cut Pro? Can it run my Steam games? If not, then that's a flatout lie.

1. We don't know. 2. Yes. Will there be a native Final Cut Pro app? Maybe. 3. Yes, if they can run on an M2 processor. Will Steam be installable on it? We don't know.

Also, as others pointed out, it can be the display for your Mac so if your Mac can do those, the headset can do them as well.

I'm not defending his comment. It was clearly some level of marketing speak.

 

[AlexESP]

He’s wrong from a literal point of view. However, not because iPadOS/VisionOS are “limited”. The iPad can do things the Mac can’t, and the Mac can do things the iPad can’t.

 

[fenderbass146]

An iPod, a phone, and an Internet communicator.

Vision Pro is the first major new category for Apple since 2007. Cook is under pressure to duplicate iPhone and create a legacy. In theory, it could do what Mac and iPhone can do, but certainly not yet.

Keep in mind these statements are all scripted by the marketing team. Their goal is to create sound bites.

I mean...watch?

 

[JPack]

I mean...watch?

Steve Jobs - iPod, iMac, iPhone, iPad, App Store, Apple Store

Tim Cook - Watch, AirPods, uh... Services

Even Johny Srouji can say he did A4 through Apple Silicon.

 

[fenderbass146]

I agree, the poster I was reponding do said he had none, the watch is a big success.

 

[subjonas]

It can do it but they probably won't let us.

You guys are overthinking it.

It has a M2. It has mouse support and many other new things.
It can do whatever Apple and devs put there 🤷‍♂️ Simple.

People get hung up on the weirdest things... It was a throw away hype line to a morning show. Take it in the spirit it was given and it won't be so distressing.

First, it’s not a simple matter of a flip of a switch to “allow” all Mac functionality on the VP. There is much work that would need to be done.

But regardless, if you interpret “can” to mean “it can after some condition is met”, then almost anything can do almost anything—it takes away any usefulness of that word/statement. “Can” is present tense. He didn’t say “will in the future”, nor “theoretically could if we decide to”—which is what he would have had to mean for his intended statement to be true, which makes no sense to say on a morning news TV show, especially before WWDC or anywhere else.

Most reasonable interpretation is it’s just hype gone too far over the boundary of truth.

Does it matter? Not to me because I’m aware of what the VP does. But it might matter to someone who doesn’t know, and assumes the CEO of Apple speaks somewhat accurately.