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Yes they will still sell many more, to unsuspecting punters and people who don't use their phones for much more than social media, games & phonecalls. High sales do not necessarily equate to a brilliant product, or an industry-leading product.

The 6 was brilliant and industry leading or it would not have been so successful.

You flatter yourself and your "loathing" does not mean squat when determining what a success it was.
 
Don't know why I read these forums. I go through life perfectly happy with my phone. It does everything I need and ask of it. No problems whatsoever. Then I come on here and am told what a piece of junk it really is and that I am too stupid to realize this.
No my friend. You're not too stupid. You just don't use the phones the same way that the people complaining in this forums use them. But you know what? That's perfectly fine. Just like not everyone uses a retina iMac for editing high res photos and video, you might not use the 6 plus for doing work on multiple tabs on a browser while flipping back to your email. That doesn't make you stupid. It just makes your needs different.
 
The 6 was brilliant and industry leading or it would not have been so successful.
I don't agree with this statement at all. A thing doesn't need to be industry leading to be successful. I think there is plenty of evidence throughout the years that can prove that pretty well. Even Apple, with their third gen iPad, can show that a thing can sell despite not being up to snuff.

I think we are simplifying things a bit though. Not everyone uses their devices in the same way. The 6 plus particularly was underpowered for what it was, particularly compared to almost every other iPhone before (and now after) it. Did this bother the majority of customers though? It seems not.
 
The 6 was brilliant and industry leading or it would not have been so successful.

You flatter yourself and your "loathing" does not mean squat when determining what a success it was.

Yes but I don't care what a success it was, we all know that iPhones sell in huge quantities each year. People buy them without even trying them out and most don't use them anywhere near or beyond their capabilities. My usage exceeded the capabilities of the 6+ and thus it was a garbage phone for me. What rankled was that the iPhone 5 handled my usage pattern and yet the two generations newer 6+ didn't.

The 6S+ performs how I would have expected the 6+ to. It actually improves on the iPhone 5 in multiple areas and not just screen size. You're going to mention Touch ID and Apple Pay now I'm sure but I'm talking about the guts of the machine, not frilly add-ons. The 6S+ is a great phone, and the 6+ was a crap phone. In my experience. YMMV etc.
 
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I did feel that the 6/6+ were underpowered right when they were announced. Barely any GPU improvement to accommodate larger screen sizes? It seemed like the 3GS to 4 transition where the A4 barely had an GPU improvement to handle all the extra pixels. Of course, the 6/6+ didn't face such a huge transition, but it was a noticeable one nonetheless.

Glad I waited for the 6s+. I love mine :)

The only performance issue with the iPhone 6 is the 1 gig of ram and even that is questionable. It was one of the fastest phones a year ago. It wasn't underpowered and it ran the most graphically advanced apps and games on the App Store better than anything other than the air 2. Also the screen resolution on the 6 isn't much higher than what is on the 5/5s.
 
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The only performance issue with the iPhone 6 is the 1 gig of ram and even that is questionable. It was one of the fastest phones a year ago. It wasn't underpowered and it ran the most graphically advanced apps and games on the App Store better than anything other than the air 2. Also the screen resolution on the 6 isn't much higher than what is on the 5/5s.
That was my experience as well.
 
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I don't agree with this statement at all. A thing doesn't need to be industry leading to be successful. I think there is plenty of evidence throughout the years that can prove that pretty well. Even Apple, with their third gen iPad, can show that a thing can sell despite not being up to snuff.

I think we are simplifying things a bit though. Not everyone uses their devices in the same way. The 6 plus particularly was underpowered for what it was, particularly compared to almost every other iPhone before (and now after) it. Did this bother the majority of customers though? It seems not.

"It seems not" is the key as most were and still are thrilled with the 6 and 6+ iPhone and they will continue to sell millions while others enjoy the ones the previous owner just sold or gave away. Apple purpose is to make and sell this hardware and the aim for the largest pool of users and they knocked it out of the park.

The "few" will never be satisfied, ever.

We and others could argue this forever and neither of us would convince the other so it's time to move on. You are in "good" company!:rolleyes:
 
Good enough to have in the new Apple TV, iPhone 6, 6 Plus, and the iPod Touch. The RAM was an issue - though I think the 6 Plus was underpowered for the bigger screen - like the initial retina MBP, or the initial retina iPhone, took another version to actually have the CPU horsepower to smoothly run those pixels. But luckily there are ways on the iPhone 6 ot mitigate stutter - reducing some of the eye candy can definitely help.
 
"It seems not" is the key as most were and still are thrilled with the 6 and 6+ iPhone and they will continue to sell millions while others enjoy the ones the previous owner just sold or gave away. Apple purpose is to make and sell this hardware and the aim for the largest pool of users and they knocked it out of the park.

The "few" will never be satisfied, ever.
Except that on literally every account I have read, people dissatisfied with last year's plus are very satisfied with the 6s plus. In fact, many expectations of been exceeded.

I don't think this discussion is about whether the phone is usable, or justifiably enjoyable. For the same money though, last year's model was severely underpowered, and more so than any device before it.
 
A8 has the shallowest gradient in recent times in terms of Geekbench scores.

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This really should have been done as a bar graph.. there's no incremental improvements between the different models. :rolleyes:
 
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Except that on literally every account I have read, people dissatisfied with last year's plus are very satisfied with the 6s plus. In fact, many expectations of been exceeded.

I don't think this discussion is about whether the phone is usable, or justifiably enjoyable. For the same money though, last year's model was severely underpowered, and more so than any device before it.
Just to confirm you're talking about the 6 plus because I didn't find the 6 underpowered - at least coming from a 5. I remember tests made at the time showed the 6 was very good at the time...which I'd have to look up...
 
Just to confirm you're talking about the 6 plus because I didn't find the 6 underpowered - at least coming from a 5. I remember tests made at the time showed the 6 was very good at the time...which I'd have to look up...
I was speaking of the 6 plus. My wife used a 6 and she loved it. Whenever she grabbed my plus she had a fun time running in that she made the right choice. Vindication came this year though. ;)
 
?... sell many more, to unsuspecting punters and people who don't use their phones for much more than social media, games & phonecalls. .

So we got millions (tens? Hundreds?) of these unsuspecting punters and only used it for games, social media and phone calls, who are actually happy with the phone?

Boy, Apple have to put an a extra effort to please someone like you rather than those millions of buyers.
 
So we got millions (tens? Hundreds?) of these unsuspecting punters and only used it for games, social media and phone calls, who are actually happy with the phone?

Boy, Apple have to put an a extra effort to please someone like you rather than those millions of buyers.

I cannot for the life of me fathom how any 6+ owner can be happy with it but hey, some obviously are. The majority even. I do struggle to understand it.
 
S phones always get speed improvements that make them more of a future proof phone. iPhone 5s got 64 bit, which means it will last ages longer than it's 32 bit predecessor. I owned an iPhone 6 for 2 weeks before the iPhone 6s came out, and after updating it to iOS 9, I know that in a couple of iOS versions, the iPhone 6 and A8 processor will be unable to handle iOS
 
A 25% increase in CPU and 50% increase in GPU seems like a barely significant increase. The A4 to A5 gave twice the CPU and 9X the GPU. Ever since then, chip performance has been doubled with each new chip except the A8.

Is the iPhone 6 (and to a greater extent the iPhone 6 Plus) the "iPad 3" of our generation? A CPU/GPU with 1GB RAM that is barely powerful enough to run the 6 Plus 1080p screen? Because it is underpowered to begin with, I don't think the 6 and 6 Plus will run iOS 10 smoothly when normally iPhones can run the next two iOS updates without a huge degradation in performance.

Well, why would you think Apple want's you to be running iOS 10 on a 6? "New Every 12" is about far more than financing phones. :rolleyes:
 
I cannot for the life of me fathom how any 6+ owner can be happy with it but hey, some obviously are. The majority even. I do struggle to understand it.

It's pretty simple. Some people enjoy the phones for what they are instead of obsessing over what they aren't.

Again, the only way someone got hosed with a 6/6+ is if they feel they got hosed. If someone doesn't notice the issues or doesn't care, then it's hard to say they got hosed.

Did my safari tabs reload? Sure. Did I get a few app crashes? Once every so often, not enough to ruin the experience of using the phone. Did my phone reboot on its own? Again, every so often, very rarely, and not frequently enough to ruin the experience.

Now maybe you'd argue that those issues shouldn't have existed at all, but I was willing to put up with them for the larger high resolution screen and Apple Pay. I have a 6s Plus now, it's running great, but I don't regret the year I spent with the 6 Plus at all. I got my money's worth out of it.

Getting hosed would be selling a phone that can't make phone calls, or selling a smartphone which only registers touches 2/3 of the time. Those are serious deal breakers that anyone could agree would ruin the phone experience. The lack of RAM in the 6 Plus was a minor annoyance at worst.

Obviously different people have different tolerances for these sorts of things, but it's silly to make a blanket statement and say these issues make the phone a bad buy for EVERYONE when only a few people actually care about those issues.
 
While yes, I do wish I had a brand new iPhone 6s sitting beside of me right now, I am more than happy with my iPhone 6 that does everything I need it to do. Plus saving $100 didn't hurt my feelings any either.
 
This topic makes me wonder if Apple should stop releasing non S iPhones altogether. After all, it's the same story every year: people "hosed" on non S iPhone, S iPhone is what non S "should've been."
 
Yes and I'm glad to be rid of it. My 6 Plus lagged so much on that chip. By far my least favorite iPhone and I've had them all except the 5s.

The A8X, on the other hand, is still one of my favorite chips of all time. The A9 is nearly the same but way more efficient.

My favorite chip upgrades were the 3GS (before they named them), the A5, A6, A8X, and now the A9.
 
This topic makes me wonder if Apple should stop releasing non S iPhones altogether. After all, it's the same story every year: people "hosed" on non S iPhone, S iPhone is what non S "should've been."


Lol and how many people that bought the previous two S models feel they got hosed for not waiting for the larger screens
 
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Yes and I'm glad to be rid of it. My 6 Plus lagged so much on that chip. By far my least favorite iPhone and I've had them all except the 5s.

The A8X, on the other hand, is still one of my favorite chips of all time. The A9 is nearly the same but way more efficient.

My favorite chip upgrades were the 3GS (before they named them), the A5, A6, A8X, and now the A9.
A7 was the first 64 bit chip... That was one of my favourite chips.
 
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