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But... did he do employment checks on the people he "hired" to queue? Will he declare them for tax purposes? Did he pay tax for the wages of the people he "employed".

I very much doubt it.

You don't need to do that considering the amount he probably paid them is so low the IRS doesn't even require you to report it. It's like the kid in the neighborhood moving lawns isn't getting 1099's from his neighbors.
 
To extend what has been said above - there was a news report which estimated (I use the term loosely because it was probably counted based on people who were together, without actually asking) over 400 scalpers in line at Regent Street. Based on the fact they were all going to buy 2 x 6+ each using cash, at an average of £699 per phone - that's an estimated £560,000 in cash at one store alone. You have to ask how they've come by that much cash (not many genuine businesses have that much in cash sitting in the bank).

People from Asia often buy expensive luxury goods in Europe & the U.S. and sell them in China for huge profits. Watches, jewellery & even cars!

It's really not a problem. They earn their money buy selling stuff for profit. Not a big deal. They are just very efficient at getting what they want. Again it's not very important in the grand scheme of things.
 
Don't need employment checks for subcontractors. Don't have to give a subcontractor a 1099 unless you pay them 600+/yr.

You might not like their actions, but as of today, it's all legal. Whether or not the subcontractors declare their revenue on their 1040 is of no concern to the contractor. No I-9 form is required.

Well you (and others) are only addressing one part of the argument (and I am not in the US and have no clue about this, but while I understand the lack of requirement to declare small amounts if you are paying your neighbour's kid to lawn your grass, I am wondering if US authorities would be as laid back with a single person employing hundred of others).

Nonetheless even if this was not an issue, again I would doubt every single person in the queue is allowed to work in the US - and more importantly importing 100s of iPhones into China without paying duty and reselling them whereas it doesn't have the required regulatory approvals is clearly illegal.
 
When the first iPhone went on sale, they wouldn't accept cash. They only took credit or debit cards. An Apple employee told me this was the reason, to keep foreigners from paying cash for lots of phones and taking them overseas. I didn't quite understand why not accepting cash would prevent that but anyway.

I was pissed because I didn't have a credit card at the time and my bank account didn't have enough so I had to go back and deposit money the next day into my checking and come back again to buy it.
 
Are we supposed to hate him now? You confronted him about it? Let him laugh. I'd be laughing too. Also, you probably shouldn't take pictures of random strangers without their permission.
 
There's no law against transporting a large number of iPhones on a plane.

wasn't there a law just passed that if they don't switch on they throw them in the bin and won't let you take them onboard?

apple could ship all iPhones with dead battery :D imagine the guys face :mad:
 
wasn't there a law just passed that if they don't switch on they throw them in the bin and won't let you take them onboard?

apple could ship all iPhones with dead battery :D imagine the guys face :mad:

Even without a dead battery, following that rule the security guys should have made him open every single box and turn on each phone ... not very fun for him but I guess they didn't bother :)
 
Haha. You are quite misinformed. It is NOT illegal to take pictures of people in public.

An airplane is not a public area, neither is the post TSA checkpoint. Public area is something that was designed and built using taxes. An airplane is a private area and if anything, the airline can demand you stop taking pictures. Or the gentleman you took the picture of can eventually call the cops on you for acting suspiciously on an airplane and taking illegal pictures.

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LOL at all the people who think it's illegal to take pics of people in public.

An airplane is not public space. Since when did airplanes become public spaces?
 
No questions need to be asked. He clearly paid people to stand in line and buy two phones.

There's nothing illegal about it, it's just morally wrong.

Who cares if he does or doesn't pay tax on them when he gets back to China?

So by your logic it's morally wrong to buy a bunch of iPhones and sell them for profit, but its ok to evade taxes in the country where you're trying to sell the phones?
I lol'd
 
What's wrong with this? It's not like he stole the phones, he bought them just as you intended to do.

If he avoids import taxes on the country of destination, then it's a crime in that country, not in the US, right? In a lot of countries, buying on the US and paying import tax is still cheaper than what Apple charges in those countries.

All I see is a random asian guy being accused of crimes without proof because someone is ******** they couldn't get their iPhone.
 
So by your logic it's morally wrong to buy a bunch of iPhones and sell them for profit, but its ok to evade taxes in the country where you're trying to sell the phones?
I lol'd

How do you know he's evading tax? Especially as he's going to be openingly carrying them through customs, how could he expect to?

Stop assuming.
 
How do you know he's evading tax? Especially as he's going to be openingly carrying them through customs, how could he expect to?

Stop assuming.

I'm not assuming anything. You said, it was morally wrong what he is doing, but asked in the same sentence who'd care if he was paying taxes.

So by that logic, scalping iPhones = bad, evading taxes = ok (or at least you don't care).
 
You don't really believe that he is importing a highly coveted item into China and sells it UNDER MSRP, do you? It's entirely unclear when Apple will start selling it in China. For the average Chinese worker, the iPhone costs about as much as he or she makes in 5 months.

What are you saying?

I am saying that If a person pays 2,000 for a black market iPhone in China Apple isn't making all the profit they can make. Apple only made 1000 on the transaction during the initial purchase and the scalper made the 1000.But if the person buys an iPhone for MSPR then they are able to spend that extra 1000 on more Apple Products like Applecare, MacBook, another iPhone (for their partner) etc.
 
If he or whoever he employed paid the asking price for the phones and legally obtained them, I see no problem. As long as the money is green and the transactions clear, Apple isn't going to do anything about it. Nor should they.
 
Here is my question...if they are taking them back home and selling them...How will they even be able to read them? most if not all these people can't even speak english, let alone read it.

I know that apple probably doesn't care because they are making money either way...but I do believe that they should not be able to hog all these iphones to take home where they are not even available yet...
 
Here is my question...if they are taking them back home and selling them...How will they even be able to read them? most if not all these people can't even speak english, let alone read it.

I know that apple probably doesn't care because they are making money either way...but I do believe that they should not be able to hog all these iphones to take home where they are not even available yet...

What do you mean how would they be able to read them, have you not set up an iPhone before?



The simple solution to avoid scalpers is to eliminate cash and only accept CC transactions with valid proof of ID as they did when the first iPhone released. You'd cut the lines in half alone just by doing this.

There were pictures of all the Apple stores here in NYC and it was just insane the number of asians in line, some were old ladies camping overnight with BABIES!! I mean I get what you're trying to do, and more power to you, but I mean come on man, at least leave the baby at home.
 
Has anyone considered the fact that maybe there is a logical explanation?

What if he owns his own business and picked up one for each of his employees?
 
An airplane is not a public area, neither is the post TSA checkpoint. Public area is something that was designed and built using taxes. An airplane is a private area and if anything, the airline can demand you stop taking pictures. Or the gentleman you took the picture of can eventually call the cops on you for acting suspiciously on an airplane and taking illegal pictures.

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An airplane is not public space. Since when did airplanes become public spaces?

No, an airplane is not public space, but most airports in the US ARE public space. And the jet-ways are owned by the airport. If you want to get technical - the first picture is in a public place. Unless it was at a very tiny privately owned airport.

And even in other places such as malls that are not publicly owned it doesn't have to do with who owns the place but whether an individual has the expectation of privacy there. And you would not be able to argue to a court that a person that has walked into a mall with thousands of people walking around has an expectation of privacy. Or in similar places.
 
How is this guy going to get back to his country without having to PAY TAXES FOR 129129512 sealed iPhones??? :\
I have a 5s and a 6 and I need to buy one more 6 for a friend overseas and I am afraid that I'll have to pay taxes and this guy gets away with tons of them :\

I've never seen customs agents at the airport in Shanghai when flying in from the US. Immigration, yes. Customs, never. That isn't to say they don't ever check people, but each time I've gone, they're no where to be seen.

Also many people in China pay bribes to local government employees to get away with things. It's extremely common.
 
Here is my question...if they are taking them back home and selling them...How will they even be able to read them? most if not all these people can't even speak english, let alone read it.

I know that apple probably doesn't care because they are making money either way...but I do believe that they should not be able to hog all these iphones to take home where they are not even available yet...
What do you mean, "how will they even be able to read them?" Most of the world knows at least rudimentary English. And if you're someone in China who can afford to pay over MSRP for an off-contract iPhone 6, then you're even more likely to know English.

Plus the software comes in multiple languages, regardless of the country it was intended for sale in. You just select it at startup. I've never used the "quick start guide" or "instruction manual" to set up an iPhone.
 
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