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Apple better release a watch similar to Samsung Gear S2 if they want their sales to go up!
 
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Goodness. Stop it, already.

"The design professionals, which have collectively provided services to Apple..." What the heck arre they supposed to say? They know where there bread is buttered. It's like a paid witness on the witness stand. Give me a break. Who's stupid enough to give this any weight.

Quit crying apple, you do it too!


Not all of them,its a poorly worded sentence.
 
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A thousand times this!!!! Anytime someone brings up those images they NEVER show that they were slider phones with the crappiest feature phone OS imaginable on them. Come on people, we ALL know Samsung ripped off the iPhone and its the ONLY reason they are even in the game with phones at this point.


By making a bigger version? How is this copying? That makes no sense.

Apple made a bigger version because it was what their customers wanted.

Galaxy phones STILL look like the 3GS.
 
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Good job cherry picking the phones. Where are the other Samsung phones you left out of that picture?
 
Goodness. Stop it, already.

"The design professionals, which have collectively provided services to Apple..." What the heck arre they supposed to say? They know where there bread is buttered. It's like a paid witness on the witness stand. Give me a break. Who's stupid enough to give this any weight.

Quit crying apple, you do it too!
nonsense. apple doesnt ripoff the look & feel of their competitors. it's apple that everybody in the industry copies -- from laptops to phones. ripoffs w/ the same exact design language (space gray, gold, rose gold; black chiclet keys, etc etc). get real.
 
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That section starting on page 7 in the document is fascinating reading for anyone even slightly into design philosophy.
 
"Dieter Rams..."

This morning is a shiny one for sir Jony Ive.


Nothing new.

I remember when this came out, and people were criticizing Jony Ive for copying Dieter Rams... dropped like a bomb!
 
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Samsung didn't have a full touchscreen phone -- meaning, a phone that is fully operated by touch -- anywhere in the pipeline. It's not just the look. It's the feel. It's how it works.

They copied everything. Everything. The facts are there. Why ignore them?


Copying things like color or app icon picture or being touch screen isn't illegal. It is only illegal when you copy protected stuff like patents, copyright stuff and trademarks.

Notice the lawsuit was for copying things like rounded corners and rubber bounce scroll feature. Yeah it looks like these were copied but should they be stuff that is patentable?
 
And their customers want was based on Android phones and i am one of them so they have to copy them

What's sad is what could've been even better than the iPhone if they were forced to start from scratch. Being blown away by innovation means starting from a blank slate if you want to truly to leapfrog to get ahead in the market.
 
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Notice the lawsuit was for copying things like rounded corners and rubber bounce scroll feature. Yeah it looks like these were copied but should they be stuff that is patentable?

Right, but wrong. The lawsuit contained these items, though was not the flagship of the case. That is part of the larger picture; namely, the look and feel of the product. There were hundereds of other software and hardware patents which were being disputed.

Let's also not forget that the 'look and feel' extended to:

Chargers

galaxy-charger-vs-iphone-charger.jpg

Samsung-Charger.png


Packaging

iphone_samsung.jpg

So many other things. Operating system icons, etc.

Come on people, thinking Samsung are in the wrong here does not mean you think Apple are in the right about all similar cases.

You can despise Apple for the same stuff. You can even hate Apple and never want one of their products. But open your eyes here. Samsung are flagrant rip-off merchants.
 
Of course I'm not asserting that. I'm stating the historical fact of what Samsung are like as a company. I'm stating the fact that every other company is siding with Apple on this.
But hey, easier to hate on Apple, right?
Your quote is 100% wrong. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. No one has to hate on Apple to realize the actual facts of the case and why the damages have been reduced and most likely will be reduced further. Examining the facts, instead of making up your own, might help you see a more clear picture.

Let's examine your fact: "... every other company is siding with Apple on this." The amicus briefs filed thus far in this case says keysofanxiety has no idea what he's talking about. Briefs can be found here. A fairly decent overview of some of the briefs can be found here. One of the ironic things in that Foss Patents link is something I've said for a while now (bolded):
"One major caveat is that Apple might still be able to orchestrate something big as well. I doubt it for two reasons, though. First, the interpretation of the law that Apple is defending in this case is not really in the interest of a lot of companies. I wholeheartedly believe that Apple itself, if it weren't the beneficiary of an outsized damages award in this particular case, would be the most logical amicus curiae supporting Samsung in this context. Second, some potential Apple allies have now declared themselves in support of neither party, stopping short of supporting Apple's position in its entirety. Some companies just want to ensure the Supreme Court won't weaken design patents too much..."

That last sentence? The one about design? That's what these companies are. They don't want to see the strength of design patents lessened. Can't blame them. More importantly for Apple though, they benefit more from loosing the damages case with Samsung.
 
I am a samsung fan and only recently got an iphone.

Yes obvious samsung tried very much to copy.

newer models are slightly different to apple but some older models almost look dead ringers.

as photos above.

I still like samsung but everywhere in every industry will always be copy cats.
 
Congratulations on identifying Samsung's part in this case.

The rest of what you've written couldn't be further from the truth. Have a look at the simple facts.

samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphones.jpeg

I remember back in the days saying to myself "wow that Samsung is an iPhone design ripoff but in bigger size."
I took Samsung a long time to build their own design and signature.
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Right, but wrong. The lawsuit contained these items, though was not the flagship of the case. That is part of the larger picture; namely, the look and feel of the product. There were hundereds of other software and hardware patents which were being disputed.

Let's also not forget that the 'look and feel' extended to:

Chargers

galaxy-charger-vs-iphone-charger.jpg

Samsung-Charger.png


Packaging

iphone_samsung.jpg

So many other things. Operating system icons, etc.

Come on people, thinking Samsung are in the wrong here does not mean you think Apple are in the right about all similar cases.

You can despise Apple for the same stuff. You can even hate Apple and never want one of their products. But open your eyes here. Samsung are flagrant rip-off merchants.

Absolutely!! The truth is out there with images both look and feel.
 
Goodness. Stop it, already.

"The design professionals, which have collectively provided services to Apple..." What the heck arre they supposed to say? They know where there bread is buttered. It's like a paid witness on the witness stand. Give me a break. Who's stupid enough to give this any weight.

Quit crying apple, you do it too!
Really? What services has Dieter Rams provided to Apple? Or Michael Kors or Terence Conrad?
 
I find this ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS.

For months all the tech blogs have been yapping their traps about "all the companies" supporting Samsung with amicus briefs and making it appear everyone is on their side and against Apple. Then we see something like this with the worlds top designers actually agreeing with Apple.

Selective reporting at its best.
It's not selective reporting. It's based on when the amicus briefs were filed. This is simply the latest brief that has been filed. For the record, even if you lumped all the briefs together, regardless of date, you'd find the majority either support Samsungs position or take a neutral stand of supporting neither position. Briefs are here. Nothing selective about that.
 
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Nice try. This image has already been debunked as another sleazy Samsung tactic. They used a graphic from their old slider designs and simply removed the sliders. Wouldn't expect anything less from them.
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You (and others) keep misunderstanding that document. But I'm not going to stop you. Just going to grab some popcorn.

You know exactly what that document is about..not sure why you're acting as though it's a "misunderstanding".
 
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Hmm.. Support from Google, that's odd
Uh, you read that wrong. Really wrong. To be fair, it is a horribly written sentence. In fact, so horribly written one could be forgiven for thinking it was intentionally written to give the impression that all those companies support Apple's position. That's not what that sentence says... at all.
 
Another variation on the US's crazy IP laws. Most industrial design is derivative if you look hard enough. I bet there are designers out there that could show a sketch of an "iPhone-a-like", an iconic building, clothing, motor vehicle etc that looks like the " real thing" was drawn well before the branded item hit the streets. Only problem is, those visionary designers know full well that the companies mentioned in the article are so well financed and lawyer'd up that fighting them would be pointless. The big firms thrive on intimidating others.

Well, the lawsuit is not about simple drawings, but basically manufacturing a real phone lookalike and selling it for profit.

I think most peoples have a hard time realizing how hard Industrial Design really is and how good Apple is at it.

One of the quality researched by someone like Jonathan Ive is the design feeling "natural and unavoidable". Making it like it's just obvious that a phone should look that way. And really Apple accomplish that with their design (mostly), their product like it's almost too simple, it define how you think a phone or a tablet or a computer should look like. However, that's only after the fact, because in reality, before it all, when you start from a blank sheet it is anything but obvious, it's actually really really hard to get to such a natural and simple design that work so well.
 
Again, this dispute isn't about rounded corners and screens. That's what the Samsung lawyers unprofessionally huffed and everybody believed it.

Samsung didn't have a full touchscreen phone -- meaning, a phone that is fully operated by touch -- anywhere in the pipeline. It's not just the look. It's the feel. It's how it works.

They copied everything. Everything. The facts are there. Why ignore them?
Even if everything you said was true, it's simply a rehash that has nothing to do with the issue before the Supreme Court.
 
If you win a case, does the loser pay for your lawyers?
because if they don't, whatever you make in court will just go to the lawyer fees making suing for your rights pointless
 
Goodness. Stop it, already.

"The design professionals, which have collectively provided services to Apple..." What the heck arre they supposed to say? They know where there bread is buttered. It's like a paid witness on the witness stand. Give me a break. Who's stupid enough to give this any weight.

Quit crying apple, you do it too!

I can't believe you think people are so stupid and lazy that you would selectively edit the original post to change its meaning, then assume that no one will simply scroll back up to read the original text for themselves. That's... amazing.:eek:
 
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