Different Threads, Same Result

[Michael Goff]

Preface: I am not arguing in favor of either side of this debate.

It seems that, nowadays, having a nuanced discussion in the iOS forum is impossible. So many of the threads start off with some topic about something else and inevitably change to how Apple's Planned Obselesence is slowing down some devices.

It never ends.

And I believe that this back and forth is just making every thread become less of a discussion and more of a chore. I know that my own experience, for example, is to never go into any thread containing anything relating to performance at all without the foreknowledge that it's going to be an argument about Planned Obselesence.

I don't even know what the fix for it is, or if there is one.

 

[arn]

I guess it comes down to what people want. Are the people derailing the threads doing it on purpose and a small minority or are they the majority? I generally agree repeated off topic posts get frustrating.

There are some mass moderation possibilities but if everyone votes the "wrong" way it doesn't help.

The other thing is if it is trouble makers perse, maybe reporting/reeducation is the way to go.

arn

 

[Erdbeertorte]

The iOS/iPhone/iPad forums are horrible. I sometimes put them all on my ignore list because of that.

 

[Michael Goff]

I guess it comes down to what people want. Are the people derailing the threads doing it on purpose and a small minority or are they the majority? I generally agree repeated off topic posts get frustrating.

There are some mass moderation possibilities but if everyone votes the "wrong" way it doesn't help.

The other thing is if it is trouble makers perse, maybe reporting/reeducation is the way to go.

arn

I can tell you, in all honesty, that it seems to be a very small group of people. As for why they do it, the best case scenario I can think of is that they really like repeating and trying to get other people to see it?
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The iOS/iPhone/iPad forums are horrible. I sometimes put them all on my ignore list because of that.

And that's something I don't like. I want all forums to be open for all people, not scaring people away.

 

[Jax44]

Some threads get hopelessly derailed. I started coming here because I enjoy Apple products, and these Forums should be a place to discuss and instruct in a civil manner. Some posters rarely if ever have anything good to say about Apple products or services. I just can't imagine signing up for any Forum about something I either hate or don't use.

Forum issues:

1. Threads that go wildly off topic.
2. Personal back and forth battles that hijack threads. Perhaps after a certain amount of back and forth, the two " Battlers" should be booted to a special Battle Cage Forum that others can only see but not respond to and watch the two people go at each other.
3. Posters that seemingly have no interest other than to bash Apple. Apple has issues, but the handful of regulars who have nothing but disdain for Apple and continually post about " Steve would never, Cook must go, planned obsolescence, 16 gb" seems to do nothing to help with any issues Apple does have.

 

[Michael Goff]

I guess it comes down to what people want. Are the people derailing the threads doing it on purpose and a small minority or are they the majority? I generally agree repeated off topic posts get frustrating.

There are some mass moderation possibilities but if everyone votes the "wrong" way it doesn't help.

The other thing is if it is trouble makers perse, maybe reporting/reeducation is the way to go.

arn

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/planned-obsolescence.1947631/page-25#post-22478910

I was wrong. One of them is, intentionally, derailing threads.

 

[bpeeps]

For instance the main page post about MLK -- someone brings up tax avoision in the thread, mods let the wildly off topic debate continue. Happens all the time due to the lack of consistency in moderating what is and isn't off topic. A post about an errant iPad problem in an iPhone forum gets deleted, merged or moved all the time.

 

[Alrescha]

For instance the main page post about MLK -- someone brings up tax avoision in the thread, mods let the wildly off topic debate continue.

One might argue that everything in PRSI is off-topic, and so there isn't much damage being done.

Which is not to say the main argument is wrong: In spite of owning one, I will not set foot in the Mac Pro forum. It reminds me of the old Combat Zone in Boston - the police don't go there. I even added it to my ignore list, as the constant baiting and harassment are disturbing to watch go by in the Spy.

A.

 

[Erdbeertorte]

Which is not to say the main argument is wrong: In spite of owning one, I will not set foot in the Mac Pro forum. It reminds me of the old Combat Zone in Boston - the police don't go there. I even added it to my ignore list, as the constant baiting and harassment are disturbing to watch go by in the Spy.

I just wanted to add the Mac Pro forum to my ignore list too. Most threads in there are really unbearable.

It's getting more and more empty in my new posts section.

 

[Alrescha]

I just wanted to add the Mac Pro forum to my ignore list too. Most threads in there are really unbearable.

Agreed. For perspective on my previous post, I should have added that while I have been to the "Naked i" in the old Combat Zone, I won't go to the Mac Pro forum...

A.

 

[dejo]

For instance the main page post about MLK -- someone brings up tax avoision in the thread, mods let the wildly off topic debate continue.

Did you report the off-topic posts? Mods rely on post reports because, with thousands of posts made every day, we can't possibly read every new post.

 

[bpeeps]

Did you report the off-topic posts? Mods rely on post reports because, with thousands of posts made every day, we can't possibly read every new post.

I report enough posts as it is.

That post in particular, and any PRSI article that makes front page, should be one where mods are actively reading the threads. It's not even that difficult, all you have to do is skim the first page. The conversation always goes off topic, personal insults always occur, there's always something against the forum rules. While I agree, it is up to users to report erroneous things they see in various posts because the modes most definitely can't get to everything, there are some topics you SHOULD be actively reading and modding. The insults being thrown in today's PRSI post is proof enough of that alone.
It's pure lackadaisical and errant, if you guys can't even auto mod the articles you post here.

 

[OllyW]

I report enough posts as it is. That post in particular, and any PRSI article that makes front page, should be one where mods are actively reading the threads.

We don't actively monitor threads so we rely on members to report problems.

there are some topics you SHOULD be actively reading and modding

We all are normal forum members who volunteer to moderate in our spare time so it's not practical for us to do that.

 

[bpeeps]

We don't actively monitor threads so we rely on members to report problems.

We all are normal forum members who volunteer to moderate in our spare time so it's not practical for us to do that.

If you can't bother to skim the first page of a front page PRSI article, that says everything I need to know about the moderators who were selected to uphold the forum's ToS and the pay structure of this site.

 

[arn]

If you can't bother to skim the first page of a front page PRSI article, that says everything I need to know about the moderators who were selected to uphold the forum's ToS and the pay structure of this site.

Seems like you have some issue with moderation on the site. Regardless of your underlying issues, the most helpful way to fix the issue is to report posts as you come across them. Otherwise you are implicitly accepting it as the way it is.

I know the easy response is to say "it's not my problem", but if it bothers you, it is.

 

[Jayderek]

Is there ever anything that will be done about the certain poster in the iOS forums that continually derails most threads in regards to perceived frame drops and all things OCD? Not everyone has these frame drops, lags, or stutters.

If I put him on ignore, threads don't make any sense because I see replies that make zero sense. Can there not be one thread this topic can live on?

The iOS threads usually all turn this way. It would really be nice to frequent that forum. I'm not asking this in anyway to be mean or spiteful, but dear god he is ruining those threads...

 

[arn]

@Jayderek can you report it when it happens? If it's really off topic, we can resteer it.