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I agree the naming is semantics, the point I was making is that the chip for the 14 and 16 inch mbp’s isn’t the next chip after the M1, I think most consumers will be confused if you have an M1 (low), M2 (pro) then an M3 (low)

I do think that they’ll have the M1,M2 closely follow the release of the A series, then some time later the X variant will release, I think COVID and chip shortages have thrown the cycle they wanted to use out.
I still think the low and high-end chips in each generation will be differentiated with a "Pro" suffix, like the laptops. So hopefully, we will have an M2 Pro in October which means it will have a 2nd generation architecture and be the bigger & better "Pro" version that goes in the larger MacBook Pros and iMacs.
 
It is also going to be announced and shipped several months before any "M2" product. You think they're going to introduce the M2X months before the M2? Lol.
Actually it might make sense to release the larger M2X before the smaller M2. The production volumes of the larger chip are smaller, so there is less time pressure to produce a large quantity, and any delays or issues in fabrication would have less of an impact of overall production.

I think @cmaier also mentioned that there are no technical reasons why a larger chip can't precede a smaller chip.
 
Call me crazy, but doesn’t everyone stand to benefit if they release these before school starts in September? I know plenty of people looking to buy a new laptop for this semester.
My needs are a little different since I’m way past high school/college but I’d just love to get my hand on the new 16” MBP only because my time is pretty short here. Terminal cancer. I was going to get an Intel 16” then decided I should have enough time left for these. So hopefully, for me anyway, I do hope it is sooner than later.
 
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My needs are a little different since I’m way past high school/college but I’d just love to get my hand on the new 16” MBP only because my time is pretty short here. Terminal cancer. I was going to get an Intel 16” then decided I should have enough time left for these. So hopefully, for me anyway, I do hope it is sooner than later.

Very sorry. Hoping for the best for you, in all respects.
 
Very sorry. Hoping for the best for you, in all respects.
Thank you. Kind of weird go to ER for one thing then you’re told that. It’s good. I have had a fairly good life and all. Nothing I was expecting for sure though.
 
I'm glad you were the one to take the heat for this....because it's exactly what I was thinking and tempted to to post :)

FYI, "Mac" is short for "Macintosh", which I understand is named after an apple cultivar - originally named McIntosh after its creator (hence the link to Apple Computer Inc.). I previously thought it was a nod to the Scottish architect & designer Charles ****** Mackintosh...but I appear to be mistaken.
Interesting fact— Apple had to purchase the right to use the name “Macintosh” from the stereo manufacturer “Mcintosh” when they first started. I remember hearing this story a long time ago.
 
I'm not sure your logic makes any sense. Why would Apple pre-announce a product that isn't available until several months later? Have you heard of the Osborne effect? Why would Apple encourage consumers to stop buying today? Is Apple allergic to revenue? The MacBook Air and the entry-level MacBook Pro already satisfy most of the student population.

The whole WWDC theory made zero sense for this reason. Not to mention the entire supply chain including TSMC had already said 2H'21.
Apple has preannounced a lot without eating into profits (OSes, MacPros, etc...), and what pro in their right mind would buy an MBP knowing that that the high-end M-series will be superior to Intel's version? The only parallel here is the Intel or PPC transitions. And the M1 only addressing 16GB of RAM is another problem for pros, even if one can argue it's just a marketing issue because of the new SoC how services are delivered differently. I felt like they can't wait too long and maybe a July announcement was in the tube since WWDC was not the moment. Honestly, Apple's hardware seems way more exciting and innovative than software innovation in this window of time.

This just felt like this timing wasn't in the master plan and like it was a supply problem thing. I think the mini-LED issue sounds like a real possibility.

We're all just trying to look into our own crystal balls and such. I guess I just wanted to be a fly on the wall and hear that Apple had to diverge from a rollout plan because of some reason. Maybe it really was the mini-LED supply issues?
 
I believe they meant to announce at WWDC but mini-LED supply was constrained (there's another Digitimes mini-LED article on MR right now that implies that).

Apple's iPhone and car manufacturers auto chips have been prioritized by TSMC. We don't know if that includes the MBP chips or not.
I like this explanation. It has always felt like there was some supply issue, but I missed the mini-LED thread.
 
Actually it might make sense to release the larger M2X before the smaller M2. The production volumes of the larger chip are smaller, so there is less time pressure to produce a large quantity, and any delays or issues in fabrication would have less of an impact of overall production.

I think @cmaier also mentioned that there are no technical reasons why a larger chip can't precede a smaller chip.

That may make sense but what ultimately will determine production will be projected orders followed by component, subcomponent and piece part availability. And if the product is new or a significant revamp, assembly line tooling and odd component insertion could oncenivably be a factor (though assembly plants are pretty adept at retooling the lines).
 
Apple has preannounced a lot without eating into profits (OSes, MacPros, etc...), and what pro in their right mind would buy an MBP knowing that that the high-end M-series will be superior to Intel's version? The only parallel here is the Intel or PPC transitions. And the M1 only addressing 16GB of RAM is another problem for pros, even if one can argue it's just a marketing issue because of the new SoC how services are delivered differently. I felt like they can't wait too long and maybe a July announcement was in the tube since WWDC was not the moment. Honestly, Apple's hardware seems way more exciting and innovative than software innovation in this window of time.

This just felt like this timing wasn't in the master plan and like it was a supply problem thing. I think the mini-LED issue sounds like a real possibility.

We're all just trying to look into our own crystal balls and such. I guess I just wanted to be a fly on the wall and hear that Apple had to diverge from a rollout plan because of some reason. Maybe it really was the mini-LED supply issues?

What alternative does a professional buyer have? Are they going to choose a Lenovo or Dell notebook with a Lenovo or Dell CPU? If they want a Mac, they would still buy an Intel-based MacBook. That's why 13- and 16-inch MacBook Pro still has a 2-week delay even today. There is zero benefit for Apple to pre-announce something that isn't ready until Q3 or Q4. Not only would Apple have to discount current MacBook Pros, it would also discourage some people from buying at all.

TSMC didn't start baking M2 chips until April, which meant the absolute earliest possible release is August.
 
That's why 13- and 16-inch MacBook Pro still has a 2-week delay even today.

These were shipping almost immediately last month. If true, either BTS sales are strong or Apple is gearing up to release new MBPs.
 
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Woohoo! Really looking forward to the repackaged c. 2006 MB. Groundbreaking stuff. Remove the touch bar. Check. Add MagSafe. Check. Add more ports. Check. Maybe they could bring back the electric typewriter.
 
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The only leaker with any credibility is Kuo, he’s been remarkably consistent and early with his info.

Digitimes and Prosser simply regurgitate whatever the rumour of the week is.
 
What alternative does a professional buyer have? Are they going to choose a Lenovo or Dell notebook with a Lenovo or Dell CPU? If they want a Mac, they would still buy an Intel-based MacBook. That's why 13- and 16-inch MacBook Pro still has a 2-week delay even today. There is zero benefit for Apple to pre-announce something that isn't ready until Q3 or Q4. Not only would Apple have to discount current MacBook Pros, it would also discourage some people from buying at all.

TSMC didn't start baking M2 chips until April, which meant the absolute earliest possible release is August.
Most pros & enterprise customers are only resorting to Intel-based pro Macs right now for emergency & new employee situations. It's no secret the pandemic gave added revenue lift to those Macs anyway that they otherwise would not have with professionals that were stuck at home.

Apple in the halfway point of their transition seemingly cannot wait any longer than Fall to launch actual pro-oriented Macs w/ Apple Silicon. I don't expect a Mac Pro refresh + an upgrade plan for Intel Mac Pro users till next year though.

The lack of multiple display support + more than 16GB RAM support on existing M1 Macs makes it a no-go. Pros are also *super* curious what's going to be the GPU options with the actual pro silcon.

Nirvana for most pros would be Nvidia & Apple making up in light of Nvidia ongoing acquisition of ARM & the tech-illiterate US politicians obsessed with successful internationally successful big tech companies that they want to push around easier instead of tackling real problems.

Apple Silicon w/ CUDA, Ray-tracing, & tensor cores would be unreal.
 
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If only they were going to announce 12", 14" and 16" MacBooks, then everything would be perfect.Then there would be something for everyone, Apple never seem to get it quite right.
 
It will be a big joke if 14" and 16" Pro come with regular M2 chip... I hope they're ramping up the things
 
Here’s a lesson for you. Do not respond to posts without reading them in context. You’re welcome.
You don't need "context" to know you went out of your way to make the guy foolish.

You could have said nothing or you could have just explained it without being snide.

Instead, you rhetorically kicked him in the groin.

You can dissemble all you want afterwards and that's certainly your prerogative, but words spoken mean what they mean.
 
I'm glad you were the one to take the heat for this....because it's exactly what I was thinking and tempted to to post :)

FYI, "Mac" is short for "Macintosh", which I understand is named after an apple cultivar - originally named McIntosh after its creator (hence the link to Apple Computer Inc.). I previously thought it was a nod to the Scottish architect & designer Charles ****** Mackintosh...but I appear to be mistaken.
Yea, Not sure why I’ve got 2 disagree on my post. It was not an opinion!
 
Yea, Not sure why I’ve got 2 disagree on my post. It was not an opinion!
This isn’t a networking forum, so it isn’t like there would be cause for confusion. Anyone reading the post would understand the poster is discussing a computer, not the physical address burned into a networking chip, or a randomized address derived in software like iOS does with public Wi-Fi hotspots.
 
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