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Oh my GOD! It's.....It's....another Powerbook G5 thread!!!!! They're unstoppable!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

RUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN!!!!!!




:rolleyes:
 
SiliconAddict said:
Single for both. I highly doubt that they are going to start off dual core. Its still a possibility, stranger things have happened, but I doubt it.

I would think they'd start with dual core, actually. Dual core chips will spread the heat out, making it easier to dissipate. Also, the dual core chips should be able to vary their clock speed on a per-cpu basis. Normally I would say the increased performance of a dual core would be unneeded in a laptop, but I don't think that would be the focus of said update. I think it would be for their ability to vary performance and power drain better.
 
isgoed said:
It's lacking any feature! In fact it doesn't even have things you expect as standard. I name: screen, clock, Volume indicator.
Off topic/

Why on earth do you need a visual representation of your audio level in a $99 device? Personally, I think apple could EASILY sell 500,000 a month. These things will fly off the shelves.
 
swissmann said:
I agree. No way will Apple release a G5 iBook the same time as a Powerbook. Unless they were going to a G5 only lineup which would put the G4 Mac mini where? Besides I don't think we would see G5 Powerbooks announced at any small event. My guess is announced in June and shipping in September.

Ditto. I call BS on a G5 iBook. I think for the foreseeable future Apple is going to keep that line of laptops on the G4. If for no other reason the that they are cheaper chips and will allow Apple to have a cheap entry level laptop. Even if Apple tweaks OS X for the G5 its still, for the foreseeable future, going to run on a G4. So at least for the low end iBook there is no rush to get a G5 in the thing. The biggest push is going to be core image compatibility which the current Radeon 9200 may or may not cut it. (I'm betting it will.)
 
By The Son Of Jehova

Macworld has just passed and were already hyping up the WWDC. You have to love the Apple Community.

Anyone else noticed that Steve Jobs gave the date of 24th of June while demoing iLife...WWDC date perhaps?
 
jadam said:
**** happens people. G5 ibook/G5 Powerbook here I come!

Proof there's one born every minute. Kinda like the G5 Powerbook rumors are.

I'm too lazy, but go do a search in the past archives of similar G5 in a laptop rumors, you'll find no less than a half a dozen. Keep dreaming, this isn't the Macfacts: Forums, it's the MacRUMORS forums.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Oh my GOD! It's.....It's....another Powerbook G5 thread!!!!! They're unstoppable!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
RUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN!!!!!!
:rolleyes:

LMAO!!! I'm glad to see some people are actually not naive, seeing through this BS and GETTING it.
 
To avoid the (by now) typical Motorola/Freescale scaling problems why not release Rev A. of the G5-M (e600) 'books as single cores in both with the Powerbook of course having a better GPU and a decent lead on CPU clock plus all the other usual advantages. (A switch to a 13.3" widescreen also for the 12" PB would be nice too.)

Then with Rev B the PB shifts over to dual core no clock speed change while the iBooks bump up to match them in clock speed albeit with single cores.

Rev. C can then boost clock speeds equally on both.

This way it avoids waiting for Freescale to increase the original top clock speed for the maximum possible time because Rev. B involves no new top clock speed. This gives Freescale 12-18 months instead of 6-9 months to increase the clock speed of the e600.

And of course this means lots of time for the e700 (64 bit e600) to be developed for the G6-M :)
 
According to this document, Apple is expecting to sell more than twice as many iBooks as PowerBooks... Do they do that now?
And only 100,000 Mac minis per month? I expect them to sell more than that.
 
I think is will happen.

I don't understand why people keep saying that Apple will never release a G5 in the Powerbook and iBook and the same time. Why Not?

The Damn G4 is old as hell, and no one is considering the fact that tiger....unless some one knows for sure the opposite, will be the last 32 OS from apple. They have slowly changed the OS in each .X upgrade to be more 64 bit efficenent.

My personal beleif is that they will release a very low clocked G5 in the ibook so that people who get can upgrade to OS XI in 2006. Apple can not afford to be writting apps for 32 and 64 bit chips. When it makes the switch to true 64bit OS, you will get about 6 more months of support for 32bit apps. And then they are done.

January of 06, there will not be any 32bit chips being built into any Apple products.

I asure you though, Apple would have loved to put a G5 in the Powerbook a year ago and let the iBook have the G4 and milk that sob for a while like they did with the G4 Powerbook and the IceBook. Unfortunatly the time it has taken to put a G5 in the PBook cancelled those plans.

This is not how it was 5 years ago when we has to wait 2 years after the G4 Powermac for a G4 to be put in a Pbook. It might have taken 2 years then, but people expect better technology to speed things along with this transition to the G5. Unfortunatly us and Apple thought wrong, so to stay strong in the market, apple has to co release the things at WWDC. The iBook will have the same processor as the iMac at the time with a underpowered bus speed.

You will see.
 
isgoed said:
/Off topic
It's lacking any feature! In fact it doesn't even have things you expect as standard. I name: screen, clock, Volume indicator.
Off topic/


/also-offtopic

Screen:
Apparently from those who've used it, it works pretty well regardless. Remains to be seen how it goes down with the masses though.

Clock:
Contributes zero functionality. It wouldn't play music any better if it had one.

Volume indicator:
No need for one. Most people's heads have two built-in volume indicators, one on each side. Listening to the music tell you how loud it is.

/back on topic

This kinda seems like it could well be a typo. But I can't see the current 'books staying as they are for too long. If MacWorld had brought updates, then simple speed revs. wouldn't have surprised me. But MW's been and gone, and no new 'books. I think the next update will be a 'proper' update, although I really can't decide which is most likely: A next-gen Freescale G4, or a low-power G5. Either way, I think we'll see quite a jump from current performance.
 
Chaszmyr said:
According to this document, Apple is expecting to sell more than twice as many iBooks as PowerBooks... Do they do that now?
And only 100,000 Mac minis per month? I expect them to sell more than that.

You expect Mac Mini sales to amount to over a quarter of all Mac sales?

Metatron said:
The Damn G4 is old as hell, and no one is considering the fact that tiger....unless some one knows for sure the opposite, will be the last 32 OS from apple. They have slowly changed the OS in each .X upgrade to be more 64 bit efficenent.

Apple will stick with a 32-bit OS until L1 cache gets big enough that it no longer matters that the pointers double in size for a 64-bit computer. 64 bit applications are always inferior to otherwise-identical 32-bit apps unless the app needs to address more than two gigabytes of RAM or many values larger than 32 bits. Few applications meet these criteria.

~J
 
Metatron said:
I don't understand why people keep saying that Apple will never release a G5 in the Powerbook and iBook and the same time. Why Not?

The Damn G4 is old as hell, and no one is considering the fact that tiger....unless some one knows for sure the opposite, will be the last 32 OS from apple. They have slowly changed the OS in each .X upgrade to be more 64 bit efficenent.

... but they haven't removed any 32-bit capability either. There's nothing magical about 64-bitness. Your average day-to-day use of the Mac will gain absolutely nothing from 64-bit code. A certain subset of applications will benefit greatly, and the OS certainly needs to be 64-bit to provide full services to those apps that need it. But by and large, the OS gains nothing from removing 32-bit capability.

Do not be confused by the PC universe's switch from 16- to 32-bit. It just so happened that that jump brought with it a whole host of technologies -- pre-emptive multitasking, virtual addressing, and virtualisation of a bunch of other stuff that let PCs shed their late-1970's heritage. The Mac's already done that when it moved away from the 68000-series processors.

My personal beleif is that they will release a very low clocked G5 in the ibook so that people who get can upgrade to OS XI in 2006.

A very low-clocked G5 would be slower than today's G4's. It would still perform better overall due to architecture improvements, but that's got little to do with the core of the CPU design. I believe the G4's are getting improved supporting systems -- better bus designs, higer bandwith, etc.

Apple can not afford to be writting apps for 32 and 64 bit chips. When it makes the switch to true 64bit OS, you will get about 6 more months of support for 32bit apps. And then they are done.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. A 'true 64bit OS' (or rather, 64-bit *exclusive* OS) will not arrive any time even vaguely soon. Withdrawing support for 32-bit apps would instantly break every single application already in existence. It would also negate one of the G5's key benefits -- it runs 32-bit code without any performance loss compared to 64-bit code.

Think of it this way: take a game that only uses 2D graphics. It does not need hardware that can do 3D acceleration. You go out and buy a graphics card with 3D acceleration. But your game doesn't need 3D. However, this new card also has excellent 2D support, so it'll still run your game quicker.

But what if the driver software would only support 3D? Sure, programs that need it would run fantastically quick. But your current game, which would work so well with that card, won't run because some developer decided 2D wasn't worth supporting.

January of 06, there will not be any 32bit chips being built into any Apple products.

You may be correct. But EVERY SINGLE G5 is capable of running 32-bit code, and very quickly too. We'll see an increase in software that will utilize the 64-bit features of the CPU, and probably even a handful of 64-bit only versions of software. But 32-bit is not dead, and will not die for a while.
 
It looks more like a typo to me too. Apple' Q2 2005 is already on. It would post the earings of Q2 2005 on 13-Apr-05. So that gives what, 3 months to introduce G5 pbs AND iBooks. Mother of all challenges... :rolleyes:

Not happening in Q2 atleast..
 
DEFINATELY NO iBOOK - But come on PBG5!!!

I have said this before on the countless PowerBook G5 rumour forums:

* The gap between the iBook and the PowerBook is scarily close...
* The PowerBook G4 was not updated before Xmas the same as the iBook
* Apple have been working on PBG5 for a long time
* 2 Years to develop G4 PowerBook (It has been 2 years since G5 PMac)
* PowerMac/PowerBook sales are increasingly getting lower and lower (way
too low!)
* The consumer line up is now sealed with the Mac Mini/iMac G5

This all adds up to Apple reclaiming the pro market with:
Dual 3Ghz PowerMacs
PowerBook G5
the release of Tiger 10.4 adds to this

I think WWDC could be the launch pad, but my hunch still says sooner. Apple have the knack for making you think all hope is lost and then releasing something truely amazing. It's ashame they never ship the damn things on time

;)
 
Macrumors An accompanying chart shows again that Asustek is to delivery iBook G5s in 2005 Q2 (quantity 100 said:
When I first saw this, had to stop and think, this isn't April 1st. Then to look at the amount of planned shipments per month seems off. The iBook G5 will be very popular. Just can't imagine that Apple wouldn't sell at least double the amount listed for the PowerBook
 
Metatron said:
I don't understand why people keep saying that Apple will never release a G5 in the Powerbook and iBook and the same time. Why Not?

Reason?

iBook = All about value.

PowerBook = All about performance...or it would if it didn't have such a ****y CPU.


The only reason to move both at the same time to a G5 would be if Apple wanted to optimize their next version of OS X for the G5. (Note I didn't say 64-bitness but G5.) But if that was the case why release a Mac Mini with a G4 CPU if they are trying to move all their currently selling systems to a G5 platform? I highly doubt that if Apple had the notion to move their low-end laptop line to a G5 that they wouldn't move EVERYING to a G5 and get it over with.
 
A 1.5Ghz G4 runs at the same performance level and speed as that of a 1.5Ghz G5. The G5 is just a 64-bit version of the G4, which some extra registers and what not?
 
Remember this IS a rumor site....

...and rumors have been wrong before!

Why in God's green earth would they bring the iBook and PowerBook to G5's at the same time? Cost wise, it's suicide!

PB will probably be announced at the WWDC with shipping starting in August/September.

iBooks won't see a G5 until April 2006. The G4 iBooks debuted in April 2003. There seems to be a major update to the iBooks every 2 to 3 years. Besides, they will wait until the G5 is dirt cheap before they put it in the iBook. My personal hope is that Apple puts a single iBook model in the $699 range to totally dominate the Education and "Cheap-Scape" market and then have the high-end iBook top off at $1299. Now that would cement the iBook's position as the juggernaut that it really is.

I wonder if Apple sees the Powerbooks as a unnecessary product now? Think about it, we had the iMac G5 and Mac mini come out in the past 6 months. Some pretty powerful Macs are getting more and more mobile. Before I get some people jumping down my throat, yes I know the iMac has some heft to it, but think about what you get in that neat little package...a 17 or 20" Flat panel display and a G5 processor with a Burner of some sorts.

Hell, look at the article on Spymac.com about the advent of Mac/Automobile customization that they are seeing. A Mac mini can fit into the dashboard of a car! And how many people out there already have their little LCD screens that pop out of the dash? Connect that to the Mac mini with bluetooth and Airport Extreme and you can drive up to parking lot of a Starbuck's and surf the web through your wireless keyboard and mouse. I wouldn't even doubt if some accessory company out there is already thinking of a way to use a pre-existing iBook keyboard and track pad and put it in one unit that is Bluetooth capable for a car!

Whoops... got of the iBook/PB subject. Sorry about that!
 
I'm too lazy to look up the articles, but I'm pretty sure that the Freescale processors won't be available till later in '05. Like fall for the single core and end of the year for dual core. So if these laptops really are just around the corner, it's going to have to be G5's.

I think Apple's had plenty of time to work out the design for a G5 PB but the mention of the iBook is really surprising. And would a G5 iBook still be $999?

That would be something! And I could just by a new iBook instead of shelling out $200 for Tiger and iLife 05.
 
pilotgi said:
I'm too lazy to look up the articles, but I'm pretty sure that the Freescale processors won't be available till later in '05. Like fall for the single core and end of the year for dual core. So if these laptops really are just around the corner, it's going to have to be G5's.

I think Apple's had plenty of time to work out the design for a G5 PB but the mention of the iBook is really surprising. And would a G5 iBook still be $999?

That would be something! And I could just by a new iBook instead of shelling out $200 for Tiger and iLife 05.


nope, Q2 2005 for the MPC8641

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/28/freescale_g4_7448/
 
IMO, Tiger will be released June 2005, followed by 10.5 in June 2007, follow by 10.64 (yep, nice little way to allude to the 64-bit OS) in June 2009.

With two years of development time already behind the combind efforts of Apple and IBM (they are obviously giving Apple every bit of help they can to get the G5 into as many machines as possible), I am sure that a Powerbook G5 will be released by the end of the summer of 2005. One thing I am certain of is, unlike thier usual style, they will wait until they already have them rolling off the lines to release it (we saw how thier sales suffered because of the iMac G5 delay...they wont repeat that mistake again...plus they have the Mini Mac and iBook still around to use up any leftover G4s that they have bulk-ordered).

I would expect an iBook G5 around June 2006. The only way it would be sooner is if Apple stood to make more profit by using the G5 over the G4 (not because of increased sales, but because of lower production costs).

The eMac G5 will probably be announced around March 2005....(no particular reason, other than thats what "the voices" told me...that, and it is the beginning of the acedemic buying season)...

The mini Mac is probably the hardest to predict, since it is simply a HUGE experiment...
 
SiliconAddict wrote

"iBook = All about value.

PowerBook = All about performance..."snip

Tend too agree with this, and find it strange that Apple CFO & etc, keep saying thermal issues/smokescreens etc in a G5 laptop are creating delays etc...then we get this report about G5's in iBooks & PowerBooks! WOW

What happened about the speed ramped PowerBooks in the mill...is this just a ploy to use up stock, I mean they hardly sold PowerBooks this last quarter...the iBooks trashed them. Why, IMO the speed differential is not in place, the iBooks represent better value and are also more durable.

I hope this report is accurate and that liquid cooling system that was touted has come to fruition. Great if it happens soon, but wouldn't you feel for these recent Powerbook G4 purchasers if it did :)
 
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