Itinj24

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Is this possible or are they automatically used as Home Hubs? I know you can disable Apple TV’s and iPads but haven’t seen the option in settings or Home app for the HomePod, unless I’m missing something. I definitely notice performance differences in what’s currently connected as the Hub and I’m trying to prevent my HomePods from automatically taking on the that task. Seems like my Ethernet connected ATV works the best.
 

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You really shouldn't see performance differences. The Home Hub is just the remote access to your network. ALL of the hubs are functioning to extend the range of your HomeKits reach (BT).

To directly answer your question, no you can't turn off Home functionality on the HomePod. The HomePod walks a line between AirPlay 2 and HomeKit functions when controlling TV's and speakers so its a required function.
 

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You really shouldn't see performance differences. The Home Hub is just the remote access to your network. ALL of the hubs are functioning to extend the range of your HomeKits reach (BT).

To directly answer your question, no you can't turn off Home functionality on the HomePod. The HomePod walks a line between AirPlay 2 and HomeKit functions when controlling TV's and speakers so its a required function.
Thanks for the answer. I really want to believe there is no difference in which current device is the connected hub but after several observations over the past year or more, I noticed that when a particular Hub is connected, I would get camera sensor notifications at times when they’re supposed to be disabled, automations wouldn’t fire as intended, certain devices would show “No Response”, Logi Circle 2’s would not be viewable remotely. Coincidence? Who knows. My network has been the same the whole time. I don’t have any Bluetooth HomeKit devices currently but didn’t know they acted as an extender. That’s good to know.
 

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Yeah I think it matters. My HomeKit stuff works more reliably without my HomePod than with. Whether that's a problem with having more than one hub or just another issue with a half baked HomePod is anyones guess.
 

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Thanks for the answer. I really want to believe there is no difference in which current device is the connected hub but after several observations over the past year or more, I noticed that when a particular Hub is connected, I would get camera sensor notifications at times when they’re supposed to be disabled, automations wouldn’t fire as intended, certain devices would show “No Response”, Logi Circle 2’s would not be viewable remotely. Coincidence? Who knows. My network has been the same the whole time. I don’t have any Bluetooth HomeKit devices currently but didn’t know they acted as an extender. That’s good to know.

I definitely can't argue your experience.

However Homekit accessory protocol (HAP) use existing Wifi and Bluetooth stacks to communicate to devices. A wifi device like the Logitech cameras are using your wifi network, they are just communicating via HAP.

I'll add my personal experience.

Bluetooth isn't inherent to home networks obviously. Since my door lock is HomeKit using Bluetooth I have to use a HomePod to reach it. As you can tell my HomePods are in standby, if I disconnect the right HomePod I can't talk communicate with the lock at all when I'm not home.
 

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I definitely can't argue your experience.

However Homekit accessory protocol (HAP) use existing Wifi and Bluetooth stacks to communicate to devices. A wifi device like the Logitech cameras are using your wifi network, they are just communicating via HAP.

I'll add my personal experience.

Bluetooth isn't inherent to home networks obviously. Since my door lock is HomeKit using Bluetooth I have to use a HomePod to reach it. As you can tell my HomePods are in standby, if I disconnect the right HomePod I can't talk communicate with the lock at all when I'm not home.
Interesting about the Bluetooth stuff. I was always skeptical about using Bluetooth HomeKit devices for the range deficiency. Now that you mention, my lock is Bluetooth actually... and WiFi. The Yale Assure Connected by August. Forgot about that.
 

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I have not personally noticed any difference between what device is used as the main hub in my house....though I’ve only had my 2 HomePods for a month whereas I’ve had my 4K ATV used as the only hub prior to that for nearly a year when I first got into the hue lights.
one thing you can do though is just reboot the HomePod or homepods until your ATV becomes the main hub and that will/should remain the hub until it’s restarted....which for me only happens when doing a firmware update on the ATV.
 

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I have not personally noticed any difference between what device is used as the main hub in my house....though I’ve only had my 2 HomePods for a month whereas I’ve had my 4K ATV used as the only hub prior to that for nearly a year when I first got into the hue lights.
one thing you can do though is just reboot the HomePod or homepods until your ATV becomes the main hub and that will/should remain the hub until it’s restarted....which for me only happens when doing a firmware update on the ATV.
That only works temporarily for me. I have four ATV 4Ks, two HomePods and a wall mounted iPad as Hubs. For some reason, I get awful HomeKit performance from three of the ATVs and one of them persistently insists on being the Hub. I went on a disable frenzy yesterday leaving one ATV (Ethernet connected which seems to have the best HomeKit performance in my observations) and the two HomePods (which I can’t disable). One of the HomePods latched on as the Hub last night and it actually seems to be working great for now. Always like to have multiple Hubs on standby though after my only hub at one point in time (an ATV 4 K) just bricked out of nowhere. Not sure why the difference in performance between Hubs.
 

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I can confirm the HomePod breaks cameras. I have two homekit setups homepod at location 1 constantly takes over as the hub for location 2 over 1000 miles away. At that point everything breaks. At this point I've abandoned the homepod and just unplugged it. It's just an expensive paperweight. Apple needs to give us the ability to disable the homepod as a hub.
 
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I can confirm the HomePod breaks cameras. I have two homekit setups homepod at location 1 constantly takes over as the hub for location 2 over 1000 miles away. At that point everything breaks. At this point I've abandoned the homepod and just unplugged it. It's just an expensive paperweight. Apple needs to give us the ability to disable the homepod as a hub.
if the 2 HomePods are in actual separate homes , you need to have them in separate homes in the home app.
 

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I can confirm the HomePod breaks cameras. I have two homekit setups homepod at location 1 constantly takes over as the hub for location 2 over 1000 miles away. At that point everything breaks. At this point I've abandoned the homepod and just unplugged it. It's just an expensive paperweight. Apple needs to give us the ability to disable the homepod as a hub.

No they don’t break cameras at all. I would suggest, as pointed out above by @waw74 that you recheck your ‘home’ set up.
 

Sotto73

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Hi,

same issue here. 2 homes with my account in Home.app setup.
If I add my Homepods to the first Home, they appear as connected Hubs in the second home. How can I restrict the use of my homepods on just one home???
 

HomeKitDude

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In the broken down palace that is the HomePod, you can’t restrict the use of homepods like you can with Apple TV. I’ve filed numerous reports via the link above and don’t even get so much as an acknowledgement. Very frustrating. HomePod is a dead to me until Apple sorts this out. Frankly, it’s unacceptable and has driven my to buy Sonos speakers in lieu of HomePods because of this problem.
 

waw74

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has driven my to buy Sonos speakers in lieu of HomePods because of this problem.

I'm on sonos also, it's a much better system

I just wish Apple would "export" siri, so sonos could add her in addition to Alexa/Google on their speakers.

the only reason I have a HomePod is because I have a decent amount of homekit stuff and I like to be able to shout to siri. I haven't played with Alexa or google's home automation much, but they were lacking in comparison.
 

boltjames

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In the broken down palace that is the HomePod, you can’t restrict the use of homepods like you can with Apple TV. I’ve filed numerous reports via the link above and don’t even get so much as an acknowledgement. Very frustrating. HomePod is a dead to me until Apple sorts this out. Frankly, it’s unacceptable and has driven my to buy Sonos speakers in lieu of HomePods because of this problem.

Just use your iPhone already.

Most of us use HomePod for what it was designed for- an audiophile caliber Apple Music bookshelf speaker system.
 

RSmith2023

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No they don’t break cameras at all. I would suggest, as pointed out above by @waw74 that you recheck your ‘home’ set up.
Actually, the issues with the cameras may actually be tied to the HomePod taking over as the main hub IF the HomePod is on a different wifi frequency (5GHz as opposed to 2.4GHz.) This is the issue I am having now. I have 2 HomePod minis in my Home setup and they are on the 5GHz network but my Logitech Circle View camera MUST be on 2.4GHz as well as the hub it is using.

I need to remove the HP Mini's and add them back on the 2.4GHz network, as well as make sure the AppleTV stays on 2.4 as well and that should solve my problem of the camera disconnecting.
 
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Itinj24

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Actually, the issues with the cameras may actually be tied to the HomePod taking over as the main hub IF the HomePod is on a different wifi frequency (5GHz as opposed to 2.4GHz.) This is the issue I am having now. I have 2 HomePod minis in my Home setup and they are on the 5GHz network but my Logitech Circle View camera MUST be on 2.4GHz as well as the hub it is using.

I need to remove the HP Mini's and add them back on the 2.4GHz network, as well as make sure the AppleTV stays on 2.4 as well and that should solve my problem of the camera disconnecting.
Interesting. I’m gonna pay attention to this when my cameras go offline. I only have Circle 2’s which support both 2.4 and 5 GHz but I’m surprised the Circle View only supports 2.4 GHz.
 
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