I've become as paranoid as the next guy after the NSA revelations but I still feel its a bit silly to panic so much about the phone fingerprint sensor. Unless it comes to light Apple is flat out lying about the hardware then just don't set it up and let it be.
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Disabling the iPhone 5S's fingerprint reader - any suggestions?
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Jail breaking won't do anything. The print is locked into a piece of hardware.
Unless you can deconstruct the chip (I doubt anyone here has $1 million clean room) without destroying it, then somehow connect to the pin outs (again probably not possible after deconstructing the A7), THEN deciphering the code going in and out of that chip.
OR
Follow the guy to Starbucks and then dust his coffee cup when he throws it away.
Which sounds more feasible guys?
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out of curiosity and as we are going into the paranoid arena..
When you restore your phone does it clear your fingerprint data out of the processor...
I would imagine yes since who ever has your phone after has to go through the set up process again..
When you restore your phone does it clear your fingerprint data out of the processor...
I would imagine yes since who ever has your phone after has to go through the set up process again..
If there was 1 piece of information I would be entirely OK with the government having access to, it would be everyone's fingerprints. In fact, I think it would be fantastic for everyone to be fingerprinted. Unsolved crimes would drop drastically. Tons of cases the police find fingerprints but don't have anyone to match it to in the system.
Did they? I'm not saying you're wrong but genuinley curious. Did they say they didn't cooperate with the NSA?
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Merely using the internet and having an email account would expose you to massively more risk of being surveilled that having a fingerprinit scanner on your phone. Even if this FP scanner did provide the NSA with a record of your print, I have no idea how they could use it against you. What would they have access to with your fingerprint that they don't already? Even if there is a legitimate answer to that question, would they need you to own a 5s to get your finger print?
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Apple, Google, Microsoft, AT&T, etc., were compelled to cooperated with the NSA. TO my knowledge we weren't decieved by anyone. Hell, even the NSA's authority to do this was approved in a public vote by the Congress and Senate in 2008 (a bill sponsered buy the two presidential canidates and approved by most elected officials). None of this was a secret and we were not decieved.
Funny how paranoid people can be. If you haven't done anything wrong then why would you concern yourself with this in the least?
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LOL, ok stop responding to this guy. He's clearly not that paranoid and is just trying to troll over the scanner. With the 1000000 otherways to get a print from someone I think hacking into an iphone wouldn't be at the top of anyone's list.
Wrong according to whom? Let alone the possibility for abuse.
"Those who would give up essential liberty..."
The onus is not on me as a law abiding citizen to give up personal information to the police so that they can do their job. I mean, why not allow the police to track your location without a warrant? Or maybe monitor all your calls? See all the websites you go to? How about a tracking device on your car, cameras in your house and a registration when you buy a cup of coffee? So of us value our rights more than others and won't slide into that cesspool without a fight.
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Considering we live in a country where people are regularly stopped, detained and killed when they've done nothing wrong, I can only assume that this is a joke.
all this worry about fingerprints is silly when every single phone call results in a cell phone company logging not only which towers your call started on and ended on, but also which antenna on that tower your phone was connected to at the start/end of each call. Happens for both incoming and outbound.
Make a series of calls and you leave a breadcrumb trace of your approximate location through the sequence of calls. No GPS or smartphone needed, this happens on the carrier end. Plus they keep the data; the trial was over two years after the event.
Plus, in certain circumstances the police can have the cell carriers ping your phone, returning its GPS location on a near-real-time basis. (this was used to locate the suspect/defendant despite him being two states away)
I think that's the big problem - the "next guy" doesn't care. I don't really care as long as it's not my data that's being abused, but I find it somewhat troubling nevertheless just how careless some people seem to be. The US used to fight communism, now you guys have homeland spying programs that far exceed what the Stasi did in East Germany. And now you're ready to trust some gadget maker with your biometric data. I might have become paranoid to some degree when it comes to my personal data but your carelessness will most certainly bite you in the butt some day.
The difference is that the government having your fingerprint has no detriment to you. Millions of people are fingerprinted already. There isn't any abuse by the government with their fingerprints.
I knew a guy that refused to have his fingerprints scanned for a timeclock because he had done some, um, less than "legal" things in the past and was concerned that somehow his prints might end up connecting the dots.
I can TOTALLY see criminals and/or people with tinfoil hats being terrified of the Touch ID. Given Apple's history of protecting our privacy and the boundless love of the Patriot Act, if I had committed a crime in the past and had not been caught I sure as heck wouldn't...
All boils down to how paranoid you are, but if prison and a 300lb man named Sindy cuddling you at night are involved I can sorta get the concern.
It's not about someone LOOKING to get your prints. If they knew where to look, they'd be easy enough to get (doorknob, car door, etc.). It's the "A-Ha", "Gotcha!" moments the criminals are trying to avoid that make the Touch ID oh so fun!
Bottom line: If you have a valid reason to hide your prints, do you trust Apple to safeguard that, especially when the NSA comes and says "hey Apple, we hear you got a nice database of fingerprints with no presumption of privacy there... mind if we take a look?"
But ya, I'm sure they don't keep that data... ask Snowden
I can TOTALLY see criminals and/or people with tinfoil hats being terrified of the Touch ID. Given Apple's history of protecting our privacy and the boundless love of the Patriot Act, if I had committed a crime in the past and had not been caught I sure as heck wouldn't...
All boils down to how paranoid you are, but if prison and a 300lb man named Sindy cuddling you at night are involved I can sorta get the concern.
It's not about someone LOOKING to get your prints. If they knew where to look, they'd be easy enough to get (doorknob, car door, etc.). It's the "A-Ha", "Gotcha!" moments the criminals are trying to avoid that make the Touch ID oh so fun!
Bottom line: If you have a valid reason to hide your prints, do you trust Apple to safeguard that, especially when the NSA comes and says "hey Apple, we hear you got a nice database of fingerprints with no presumption of privacy there... mind if we take a look?"
But ya, I'm sure they don't keep that data... ask Snowden
I knew a guy that refused to have his fingerprints scanned for a timeclock because he had done some, um, less than "legal" things in the past and was concerned that somehow his prints might end up connecting the dots.
I can TOTALLY see criminals and/or people with tinfoil hats being terrified of the Touch ID. Given Apple's history of protecting our privacy and the boundless love of the Patriot Act, if I had committed a crime in the past and had not been caught I sure as heck wouldn't...
All boils down to how paranoid you are, but if prison and a 300lb man named Sindy cuddling you at night are involved I can sorta get the concern.
It's not about someone LOOKING to get your prints. If they knew where to look, they'd be easy enough to get (doorknob, car door, etc.). It's the "A-Ha", "Gotcha!" moments the criminals are trying to avoid that make the Touch ID oh so fun!
Bottom line: If you have a valid reason to hide your prints, do you trust Apple to safeguard that, especially when the NSA comes and says "hey Apple, we hear you got a nice database of fingerprints with no presumption of privacy there... mind if we take a look?"
But ya, I'm sure they don't keep that data... ask Snowden
If Apple lied about fingerprints being stored somewhere other than on the specific phone itself, they'd be liable for some pretty bad lawsuits.
If they were planning on storing the fingerprints, they would have just made no comment to protect themselves.
But ya, I'm sure they don't keep that data... ask Snowden
Well, as far as I know I'm not a criminal. I simply don't believe Apple is capable of keeping my biometric data safe from actual criminals.
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I don't think Apple is purposefully endangering the safety of our data but I also don't think that a thing like data safety in networked devices actually exists. I've yet to come along an online system that is actually impenetrable.
Double-crossed?
What if Apple already had finger print sensors in the previous models and scanned your finger print?* It doesn't have to have a visible ring around it.
Then, now all the people not scanning their's now, when they're told to have a Touch ID, will be under special suspicion.
-drsoong
* Which is actually never stored as others rightly pointed out.
What if Apple already had finger print sensors in the previous models and scanned your finger print?* It doesn't have to have a visible ring around it.
Then, now all the people not scanning their's now, when they're told to have a Touch ID, will be under special suspicion.
-drsoong
* Which is actually never stored as others rightly pointed out.
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What if Apple already had finger print sensors in the previous models and scanned your finger print?* It doesn't have to have a visible ring around it.
Then, now all the people not scanning theirs now, when they're told to have a Touch ID, will be under special suspicion.
-drsoong
* Which is actually never stored as others pointed rightly out.
Would have been seen when the phone is broken down by companies to release full internal information