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iPhone 13 Disappointed by the lack of TouchID on the iPhone 13

I want to buy the iPhone 13 mini but I’ll wait to see if there’s new iPhone SE in 2022, because I need Touch ID

In the meantime, if Apple updates Face ID firmware and enables it to work even with masks (just like that rumor we read), then I’ll buy the 13 mini.
 
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If they do it, Apple will have to grapple with where to put the Touch ID. They don't want to sacrifice the screen space in order to place a physical button on the front. They won't want to place Touch ID on the side or back since people expect to be able to use cases without loss of functionality. If they put it under the display, then there will be the challenge of accommodating screen protectors.
 
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Tested the iPhone 13 mini for a few days and I'm going back to the SE2. Love the camera tricks and battery life but using Touch ID has been a must for me under the current mask restrictions. Traveled internationally this summer and was checking bank accounts at the airport, logging into airline apps for boarding pass and gate info, using Apple Pay to buy train tickets, and had to wear a mask at all times. Hoping they add the Touch ID power button from the iPad Air or mini to the 14 if they can't get it under the screen yet.
 
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svenmany said:
If they do it, Apple will have to grapple with where to put the Touch ID. They don't want to sacrifice the screen space in order to place a physical button on the front. They won't want to place Touch ID on the side or back since people expect to be able to use cases without loss of functionality. If they put it under the display, then there will be the challenge of accommodating screen protectors.
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As I mentioned before you put it on the start button like they did on the iPad mini 6
 

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3Rock said:
As I mentioned before you put it on the start button like they did on the iPad mini 6
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Many, many people have suggested to just put it on the start button. That button is on the side. How will Apple deal with cases? Do you think Apple will somehow make smart cases? What about all the other companies that make cases?

I don't see a simple answer. Perhaps you have some ideas.
 
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Many, many people have suggested to just put it on the start button. That button is on the side. How will Apple deal with cases? Do you think Apple will somehow make smart cases? What about all the other companies that make cases?

I don't see a simple answer. Perhaps you have some ideas.
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Hmm. I guess people might be considering some large cutout on the side. Apple might insist on something nicer.
 
Right now I just got several downvotes for saying we urgently need a solution for unlocking iPhones with a face mask on a iOS 15.1 beta update. Including one from a reputated member of the forum (I didn’t expect this from him). Well, sorry but this is what many of us think.

I think many of us should write Apple complaining about not being able to purchase an iPhone 13 because we use facemasks.

And voting with our wallets. I’m seriously considering waiting until the next iPhone SE

I should refrain from sharing my controversial opinions on the front page and keep them to the forum where people share their arguments but cannot just downvote and remain silent.
 
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Populus said:
Right now I just got several downvotes for saying we urgently need a solution for unlocking iPhones with a face mask on a iOS 15.1 beta update. Including one from a reputated member of the forum (I didn’t expect this from him). Well, sorry but this is what many of us think.

I think many of us should write Apple complaining about not being able to purchase an iPhone 13 because we use facemasks.

And voting with our wallets. I’m seriously considering waiting until the next iPhone SE

I should refrain from sharing my controversial opinions on the front page and keep them to the forum where people share their arguments but cannot just downvote and remain silent.
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This downvoting thing is pretty bad. You really have no idea what their opinions are when they just give you a thumbs-down.

Remember that some people don't even believe in masks or are happy to take them off whenever it's inconvenient. Such people would not feel your urgency. Others, like me, are rarely in a position needing a mask at the same time as needing a phone. They would also not feel your urgency.

I really have no idea what percentage of iPhone users feel the urgency.
 
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This downvoting thing is pretty bad. You really have no idea what their opinions are when they just give you a thumbs-down.
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Completely agree. Sometimes I see a downvote on something that it honestly seems amazing anyone would "down vote" or "disagree with" -- it always leaves me wishing for more explanation.

Without fail, I've noticed that users downvoting are almost never actually textually replying and discussing their point of view.

It's just sort of "drive by" negative reaction and then leave...
 
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adding Touch ID doesn’t mean getting rid of Face ID but augmenting it. the pandemic has proven there are situations where face identification doesn’t make sense. People arguing against adding a useful option that you could just ignore, and many of us would appreciate just confuse me…

also to those who say newer is always better and Apple never goes backwards I have a 3D Touch iphone, butterfly keyboard and Touch Bar MacBook with no MagSafe to sell you. (Granted the last 2 are yet to be confirmed, so we’ll see how my post ages)
 
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Drosera said:
I'm going to miss Touch ID when I upgrade from SE to 12 Mini. Placing your thumb on the power button when picking up so the phone is unlocked by the time you view the screen... brilliant IMO.

But open to changing my mind when I experience Face ID too.
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Like I said in the post just before yours, FaceID actually does this even more seamlessly than TouchID did.
 
CyBeRino said:
I just switched from a 7 with TouchID to a 13 pro with FaceID, and one of the reasons I held off of upgrading was specifically TouchID, so I have an opinion on this.

For interactive use, i.e. holding your phone in your hand, looking at it to actually do something on it, FaceID is vastly superior to TouchID. Most of the time it's done its magic between you picking it up and swiping up to unlock, meaning it's seamless. It feels as if your phone was never locked to start with, but it was. Sometimes it takes a half second after swiping to do the unlock, depending on how you were holding it. I'm honestly surprised at how good it really is, and I never imagined it would be. FaceID also works perfectly while you're wearing gloves which is important for those of us in climates that aren't warm year-round.

But: for using Apple Pay, TouchID was the superior option. There is a big difference in the smoothness of a transaction at the register if you can grab your phone out of your pocket/purse/whatever with your thumb on the home button, hold it in front of the reader, and put it back versus having to hold it up so it can see your face, press the power button twice and only *then* be able to hold it up to the reader (and if you mess up the order of operations, it's worse.)

TouchID also enabled some other use-cases like checking your phone's notifications (or some such thing) with it on the table in front of you, without having to pick it up but frankly I feel like those are mostly just habits developed because it enabled us to do that specifically because it was in the home button, and TouchID in the power button won't really change that. TouchID on the power button would still work great for Apple Pay though. And of course, TouchID works better in the presence of face coverings like masks.

So yeah my opinion is that they should add power button TouchID to iPhones, specifically for Apple Pay and situations where FaceID can't see your face because it's obscured.
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Yes FaceID is superior for phone unlock and passwords, but Touch is superior for Apple Pay and Getting new apps. I did the same as you for Apple Pay. And anything with that double tap power for FaceID is too klunky.
 
Populus said:
I want to buy the iPhone 13 mini but I’ll wait to see if there’s new iPhone SE in 2022, because I need Touch ID

In the meantime, if Apple updates Face ID firmware and enables it to work even with masks (just like that rumor we read), then I’ll buy the 13 mini.
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Yes if they ever finally get the SE+, I might be tempted to get it. Got SE 2020 for touch, but I couldn't take the tiny screen, so it is just a backup now.
 
I travel almost every week for work and I don’t anticipate the mask requirements going away anytime soon for airports and planes. I had really hoped Apple would at least add Touch ID via the power button just like my iPad Air. Guess I’ll be keeping the SE for now.
 
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stevemiller said:
adding Touch ID doesn’t mean getting rid of Face ID but augmenting it.
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This has been my point since the inception of this discussion, unfortunately some folks don’t give a chance to think things through.

Variety is the spice of life. TouchID can be the extra ingredient to make the iPhone worth savouring.
 
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Those that are waiting for the next SE so that they can keep Touch ID might be disappointed. Not that I know, I don't. But so far, both SE devices were based on old designs, probably ones that Apple already had large stock of chassis parts, keeping cost down. Perhaps when they are ready to update the SE, they will still have iPhone 8 parts to use. But perhaps not. I don't believe "Touch ID" is a specific criteria of the SE any more than "small size" turned out to be.

But we are just looking at two iterations. There are similarities between that two where we can draw some conclusions...but they won't be rock-solid conclusions yet. Not without specific explanation from Apple or a third model.
 
Populus said:
Right now I just got several downvotes for saying we urgently need a solution for unlocking iPhones with a face mask on a iOS 15.1 beta update. Including one from a reputated member of the forum (I didn’t expect this from him). Well, sorry but this is what many of us think.

I think many of us should write Apple complaining about not being able to purchase an iPhone 13 because we use facemasks.

And voting with our wallets. I’m seriously considering waiting until the next iPhone SE

I should refrain from sharing my controversial opinions on the front page and keep them to the forum where people share their arguments but cannot just downvote and remain silent.
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There AI needs to look at over trillions of mask types to detect the face. But unless the cameras can't see that bone structure on the phone or a full face to match its pattern. You might as well give up. Unless they can find away to see the face with the mask on thermal sensors or they get a thermal radio magnetic sensor into that phone where it will match up or a camera to see the full face behind the mask xRAY. :p So there either going to spend another year or the current solution is to feed it with AI to better detect mask. Your point is stupid they can't fix well a "proper" fix for now only with Software and that will break as its not 100% most like 10% unlike with TouchID where its 100% each time no matter what :) well ............
 
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There AI needs to look at over trillions of mask types to detect the face. But unless the cameras can't see that bone structure on the phone or a full face to match its pattern. You might as well give up. Unless they can find away to see the face with the mask on thermal sensors or they get a thermal radio magnetic sensor into that phone where it will match up or a camera to see the full face behind the mask xRAY. :p So there either going to spend another year or the current solution is to feed it with AI to better detect mask. Your point is stupid they can't fix well a "proper" fix for now only with Software and that will break as its not 100% most like 10% unlike with TouchID where its 100% each time no matter what :) well ............
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Thank you for letting me know my point is stupid. I may disagree, otherwise I wouldn’t have donde my statement

Also, you may be wrongly targeting me as an enemy of Touch ID and that’s not correct. I love Touch ID, but given the fact that Apple refuses to implement it, I’m thinking alternative solutions for the last compact smartphone Apple is gonna build
 
Populus said:
Thank you for letting me know my point is stupid. I may disagree, otherwise I wouldn’t have donde my statement

Also, you may be wrongly targeting me as an enemy of Touch ID and that’s not correct. I love Touch ID, but given the fact that Apple refuses to implement it, I’m thinking alternative solutions for the last compact smartphone Apple is gonna build
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I think when I said stupid it was a bit harsh I was trying to say that the only way of FaceID was to work is with better cameras or sensors really software can only go so far until physical hardware needs to be implemented. All they need todo is add both and this post will be so irrelevant
 
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I think when I said stupid it was a bit harsh I was trying to say that the only way of FaceID was to work is with better cameras or sensors really software can only go so far until physical hardware needs to be implemented. All they need todo is add both and this post will be so irrelevant
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Ok but... how do you change your avatar’s theme according to the website theme? Now I’m quite intrigued (excuse me for this brief off-topic)
 
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