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Disappointed By The Performance

The A8 chip wasn't ready. Apple didn't mention how much faster it was over A7, but instead went all the way back to the original iPhone and said it was 50x faster than the original iPhone. Makes me think they were hiding the lack of performance over A7. :confused:
 
Konvictz said:
Firstly dont get me wrong, I still love the product. The lines on the back, me and hundreds of people, still hate - no other apple product has or had thick lines running everywhere.

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So these benchmarks today are highly disappointing.

I went with the plus.

If you look at apple's history, when they significantly improve the screen or resolution (or both) they always improve the processor/gpu to deliver such that the performance in actually better and snappier than the previous version.

This time they said they improved the cpu, which they did but by a very little amount. Which has resulted in the 6 having almost the same levels of performance, slightly worse actually. And the 6 plus having significantly less performance.

The reason why Im complaining is number 1 we have actually had a decrease of performance on both version, plus being more significantly. And number 2 my iphone 6 plus 128gb is a very expensive device and I would have expected more for the money. I was annoyed with the 1gb of ram but the performance decrease is bit more worrying.

Of course this means in exactly one years time, we will all be buying the quad core 64 bit iphone 6s, which will of course deliver and go beyond any of the competitor devices, but will cost us a lot, again.
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6 Plus GPU and 6 GPU are not far off from each other at all, these apps aren't fully recompiled support for the new A8 aswell and the new GPU architecture and features GX5560 brings over the 5S/Air GPU.

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Razeus said:
The A8 chip wasn't ready. Apple didn't mention how much faster it was over A7, but instead went all the way back to the original iPhone and said it was 50x faster than the original iPhone. Makes me think they were hiding the lack of performance over A7. :confused:
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did you miss the part where they said 50% better graphics over the A7 lol?

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Konvictz said:
No your talking about the iphone 6 which is 0.6 of a difference, which is still disappointing because you expect performance to increase rather than staying the same.

Im talking about the iphone 6 plus's performance which is significantly lower, in fact it is 44.6 % less performance which is almost half the performance.

If you consider how much of a backwards leap this is, it is amazing to think apple would release such a product where it is that much of a severe downgrade.

Il be honest when I saw the specs I thought performance would be very similar to the 5s which wasnt great but the 5s is decent so I didnt mind too much. But knowing I paid for the 6 plus 128gb which is expensive and getting almost half the performance of the 5s in some cases, is somewhat worrying.

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Yeah it is a severe limitation, you would have thought people all apple realise this. Considering the galaxy note 4 i think is coming with an 8 core processor with 3gb of ram, apple seem to be far far far behind the competition in terms of hardware.

This is of course a business decision, apple is simply leaving the ram and quad core cpu upgrade to the 6s. Apple talked nothing about the processor this time, but the 6s in a years time will have feature length discussions about the performance upgrades.

Hypothetically speaking if iOS was natively supported on devices like the galaxy note 4, without doubt I would have gone for them.
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considering the Snapdragon 805 is barely any faster then the 801/800 on the CPU side, its gain are alot more on the GPU side though, Adreno 420, what are you bickering about, the Note 4 is going to push a even higher resolution screen

these programs haven't even been fully programmed or updated to take advantage of the new A8 and new GX5560 GPU in the A8,
 
Bahroo said:
6 Plus GPU and 6 GPU are not far off from each other at all, these apps aren't fully recompiled support for the new A8 aswell and the new GPU architecture and features GX5560 brings over the 5S/Air GPU.

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did you miss the part where they said 50% better graphics over the A7 lol?

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considering the Snapdragon 805 is barely any faster then the 801/800 on the CPU side, its gain are alot more on the GPU side though, Adreno 420, what are you bickering about, the Note 4 is going to push a even higher resolution screen

these programs haven't even been fully programmed or updated to take advantage of the new A8 and new GX5560 GPU in the A8,
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What you need to consider is the hardware is more advanced now.

iPhone had 640×1136 resolution. iphone 6 plus has 1242×2208.

So lets do some simple maths, compute (1-(640×1136)/(1242×2208))*100 which gives roughly 73.48829%.

Thats 73% new/more pixels on the iphone 6 plus, can you understand that?

The graphics being 50% better is simply not enough to cover 73% more screen, hence we have a decrease in performance overall now. But thats not even the end, the 1gb ram limitation of a 1080p+ screen will certainly show sooner rather than later. You dont have to be a computer genius to understand that.
 
Konvictz said:
Firstly dont get me wrong, I still love the product. The lines on the back, me and hundreds of people, still hate - no other apple product has or had thick lines running everywhere.

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So these benchmarks today are highly disappointing.

I went with the plus.

If you look at apple's history, when they significantly improve the screen or resolution (or both) they always improve the processor/gpu to deliver such that the performance in actually better and snappier than the previous version.

This time they said they improved the cpu, which they did but by a very little amount. Which has resulted in the 6 having almost the same levels of performance, slightly worse actually. And the 6 plus having significantly less performance.

The reason why Im complaining is number 1 we have actually had a decrease of performance on both version, plus being more significantly. And number 2 my iphone 6 plus 128gb is a very expensive device and I would have expected more for the money. I was annoyed with the 1gb of ram but the performance decrease is bit more worrying.

Of course this means in exactly one years time, we will all be buying the quad core 64 bit iphone 6s, which will of course deliver and go beyond any of the competitor devices, but will cost us a lot, again.
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lets see the benchmarks you ignored
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-benchmark-results,news-19584.html

over reaction much?
 
Konvictz said:
No your talking about the iphone 6 which is 0.6 of a difference, which is still disappointing because you expect performance to increase rather than staying the same.

Im talking about the iphone 6 plus's performance which is significantly lower, in fact it is 44.6 % less performance which is almost half the performance.

If you consider how much of a backwards leap this is, it is amazing to think apple would release such a product where it is that much of a severe downgrade.

Il be honest when I saw the specs I thought performance would be very similar to the 5s which wasnt great but the 5s is decent so I didnt mind too much. But knowing I paid for the 6 plus 128gb which is expensive and getting almost half the performance of the 5s in some cases, is somewhat worrying.

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Yeah it is a severe limitation, you would have thought people all apple realise this. Considering the galaxy note 4 i think is coming with an 8 core processor with 3gb of ram, apple seem to be far far far behind the competition in terms of hardware.

This is of course a business decision, apple is simply leaving the ram and quad core cpu upgrade to the 6s. Apple talked nothing about the processor this time, but the 6s in a years time will have feature length discussions about the performance upgrades.

Hypothetically speaking if iOS was natively supported on devices like the galaxy note 4, without doubt I would have gone for them.
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Do we have to go through this 8 core processor nonsense each and every time.??:eek:
Please give me an example of an app that takes advantage of those 8 cores.
(And no, benchmark apps don't really count). Each core in the A8 is much faster and better than any other "Android" core out there, including Snapdragon S801/805 and Exynos. With half the cores and half the clock rate, it performs better.

PS

Note 4 will have the same "problems" as iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have. It has a 2k (2560x1440) display, compared to the 1080p (1920x1080) display in Note 3. This is almost 200% more pixels; and the note 4, most certainly, won't be 200% more powerful than note 3.
 
hasanahmad said:
lets see the benchmarks you ignored
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-benchmark-results,news-19584.html

over reaction much?
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Thanks for your post I do appreciate your time and effort, and it is pleasing to see that most of the other tasks the iphone 6 and 6 plus out performs the competition, and by competition I am talking about iphone 5s as well. Did up vote your post.

But your tests did not include the on screen manhattan tests, I wasnt familiar with all the benchmark tests you done but the manhattan test I started my first post with everyone probably knows its a very very demanding benchmark and not just for phones.

And for people complaining saying benchmarks are useless, you are half right. They are useless when comparing ios to android because we know ios is highly optimised however when comparing iphone to iphone we get a very very detailed and accurate indication of the real world hardware performance by running these benchmarks.

And it is still worrying for me that iphone 6/6plus does not completely blow the previous iphones out of the water in all the benchmarks, and in the manhattan one I mentioned iphone 6 plus is performing around 50% of iphone 5s.
 
Konvictz said:
What you need to consider is the hardware is more advanced now.

iPhone had 640×1136 resolution. iphone 6 plus has 1242×2208.

So lets do some simple maths, compute (1-(640×1136)/(1242×2208))*100 which gives roughly 73.48829%.

Thats 73% new/more pixels on the iphone 6 plus, can you understand that?

The graphics being 50% better is simply not enough to cover 73% more screen, hence we have a decrease in performance overall now. But thats not even the end, the 1gb ram limitation of a 1080p+ screen will certainly show sooner rather than later. You dont have to be a computer genius to understand that.
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where are you getting the 2208x1242? isnt the Plus screen 1080p only?
 
TommyA6 said:
Do we have to go through this 8 core processor nonsense each and every time.??:eek:
Please give me an example of an app that takes advantage of those 8 cores.
(And no, benchmark apps don't really count). Each core in the A8 is much faster and better than any other "Android" core out there, including Snapdragon S801/805 and Exynos. With half the cores and half the clock rate, it performs better.

PS

Note 4 will have the same "problems" as iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have. It has a 2k (2560x1440) display, compared to the 1080p (1920x1080) display in Note 3. This is almost 200% more pixels; and the note 4, most certainly, won't be 200% more powerful than note 3.
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Sure I see what you are saying, its always tempting to bring the android phones into this disucssion.

But I started by only comparing the iphone 5s to the iphone 6 plus. My point was when apple upgraded the resolution, they always significantly upgraded the hardware to deliver a greater performance in the new screen - this is not the case this time.

I dont know how much of a factor this is but the iphone 6 plus gpu is actually down sampling from 2208 x 1242 to 1920x1080 (1080p) and this has to be having some impact in performance.
 
Looks like the 6 PLUS is slowly being revealed for what it is.

OP - keep in mind that you are comparing the top three phones on this list only to be beat by a tablet. All 3 are good. I would highly doubt you would notice a difference during normal use.

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ZBoater said:
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. Because a third party graphics benchmark is such a reliable measure of real world performance, more so than my own two eyes, and these benchmarks usually push the hardware better than the one OS developers...
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So you use benchmarks as factual data to argue a point in one thread, but here benchmarks aren't credible?

It seems that you are being a bit ignorant here.
 
accountforit said:
Looks like the 6 PLUS is slowly being revealed for what it is.

OP - keep in mind that you are comparing the top three phones on this list only to be beat by a tablet. All 3 are good. I would highly doubt you would notice a difference during normal use.
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No of course, Im just a little disappointed that apple had about 2 years to make this big screen device yet they havent made it as flawless as they could have done.

And I paid a lot money for it, a lot of people found it crazy when I told them the price for my iphone 6 plus 128 gb. Im not a fan of apple but I like the simplicity of the iphone and iOS - I was just expecting a bit more performance hardware wise, especially considering how much every iphone has improved compared to the previous one.
 
Konvictz said:
If you look at apple's history, when they significantly improve the screen or resolution (or both) they always improve the processor/gpu to deliver such that the performance in actually better and snappier than the previous version.
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Wrong.

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That benchmark shows the iPad 3 (A5x) as slower than the iPad 2. Again, this is because the iPad 3 had to work with a much higher resolution display, just like the new phones.

And again here 3GS vs 4: http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?ben...3G+S&os1=iOS&api1=gl&D2=Apple+iPhone+4&cols=2

The onscreen fill rates are higher for the 3GS. Your turn: when has Apple doubled the resolution and made a device that benchmarks higher in onscreen tests?
 
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My 6+ gets over 30 fps on the Manhattan test.
 

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ZBoater said:
I don't think the word "ignorant" means what you think it means.
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It means what it means. You are choosing to be ignorant of benchmarks here, yet quote them in other threads to argue your thought.

Isn't it odd that when someone calls you out, you nitpick the comment to draw attention away from the subject at hand. Consistently, this is your M.O.

An education goes a long way in life.
 
I don't get it.

People are complaining about the iphones 6 plus, lagging in certain GPU benchmarks, and how that is unacceptable.

I hope you do not realise by home much the other Apple hardware gets murdered by PCs in GPU benchmarks!

The iphone 6 plus is extremely competitive against the current flagship phones!
 
Konvictz, you're looking for things to complain. You complain about ram, you complain about cpu, its obvious you can't enjoy what you have.

You have 3 options.

1. Buy an Android\Windows phone. In real world performance they may lag behind the iPhone.........but hey, at least you can have bragging rights on specs. ;)

2. Sell your'e phone and wait until iPhone 10 comes out.

3. Enjoy what amazing technology you have today.......and stop crying about things you wish you have, because unless you're Steve Jobs, you're not going to change the world. ;)
 
Anybody notice that the 5s and 5 are noticeably more fluid in UI animations? As if they are 60 frames and the 6+ is 40..
 
Preed08 said:
Anybody notice that the 5s and 5 are noticeably more fluid in UI animations? As if they are 60 frames and the 6+ is 40..
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Yes I've noticed my 6+ isn't as smooth as my 5s. In addition some apps are really jittery, but may just need to be updated.
 
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