DISAPPOINTED with 2017 NOT PRO iPads..

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  1. browser740 macrumors newbie

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    So regardless of the new specs for the display, the device does NOT have a 4K display OR even Retina HD...
    Even The IPOD TOUCH has a higher resolution 326 PPI. And the PLUS phones have a resolution of 401 PPI...
    I would have expected Apple to have a PRO device to stand out, but this display is at least 4 years old...

    And for those who will justify it... STOP IT... If 264 PPI is good enough why do the other devices have better. Stop drinking the KoolAid...

    The charger sold with the device is inferior and Does NOT charge when the iPad is on and being used... It will cost you ALMOST 100 bucks to get the 29 Watt charger and THEN the cable to use it... Poor showing on apples part.

    Bluetooth 4.2... Is that the best Apple can do.... 5.0 Is available. I like the feature that two people can link at the same time...

    Yes the latest IPAD has a 10x processor, THAT is a PRO feature, maybe the only feature...
     
  2. Freakonomics101 macrumors 65816

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    This is a “budget” iPad for a reason. They basically took the iPad Air display and put it in the 2017 iPad. That’s one thing that kept costs down to also allow to keep the price tag low. It’s still not a bad iPad, at least it isn’t to me. Would I prefer it over my 9.7 Pro? Lol no. But I would rather have the 2017 iPad than the Mini 4 if I was given the choice.
     
  3. sunapple macrumors 6502a

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    Great first post, I'd say welcome to the forums but you sound too much like a troll to take this seriously.
     
  4. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    You Entirely missed the concept of why Apple even introduced the 2017 9.7 iPad to begin with in your post. They brought this iPad in to allow those who wanted an iPad, perhaps could not afford the Pro model or not have an interest in the Pro features, and this gives the opportunity to have an iPad most will use it for.

    And, by introducing a lower-cost iPad, it also ties the consumer into Apples ecosystem further, assuming they have other Apple devices.

    If Apple would have included more premium features, clearly that would spike the price higher and that would defeat the purpose of introducing a lower-cost iPad.
     
  5. sunapple macrumors 6502a

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    Wait, he said the iPad had a A10X processor, so is he talking about the 10" iPad Pro or the smaller 5th generation iPad?
     
  6. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    The thread title clearly states "Disappointed with 2017, NOT Pro models." And the 2017 9.7 iPad has 264 PPi, which was also mentioned in the OP's post.

    He mentioned the A10X processor in the last sentence, being that it's a Pro feature, which the OP allegedly agrees with.
     
  7. Howard2k macrumors 6502a

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    He was trying to be clever. He's talking about the Pro.
     
  8. profets macrumors 68040

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    I think he's complaining about the new Pro iPads being not pro enough. And mainly basing it on the resolution not being even higher.

    I feel like we gave too much attention already to such a post...
     
  9. sunapple macrumors 6502a

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    Fun fact, both the 12" and 10" iPad Pros have 264 PPI as well.
     
  10. gobikerider macrumors 68000

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    1. The new display is gorgeous on the iPad Pro. It's not only brighter and more vivid but it's a 120hz panel, if that's not Pro I don't know what it's. The ppi is perfectly serviceable unless you hold the thing to your eyeball, you can't distinguish pixels at normal or even 4 inches from the display. Other devices having higher ppi is no reason for Apple to increase the iPads resolution as that would increase cost and decrease battery life.
    2. I agree entirely with the charger and wish they included a 15 watt brick with the 12.9inch model as that is dumb and the fact that they simply advertised the USB C charger during the keynote irritated me because that's a $100 extra I shouldn't be having to spend ontop of a $1000 iPad. :mad:
    3. Bluetooth 5.0 is relatively new and would cost more as well, for the simple Bluetooth functions of the iPad I'm not sure it was worth them implementing 5.0, is it even implemented in any other device? Not really issue atleast in my eyes.
    4. The A10X is the pinnacle of Apple's 14nm chip architecture and BOI its amazing, offering stronger performance then the 13inch MacBook Pro (even the new one just refreshed with KabyLake i5 and i7 models) Somehow they are doing this all while sipping power.
     
  11. Relentless Power, Jun 8, 2017
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    You may be correct. The OP's thread title is misleading and is not accurately described by stating "Disappointed with 2017, NOT Pro iPads." That should edited for clarification.
     
  12. browser740 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Reference to point NO 1. DO YOU HAVE THE NEW display... Did ANYONE receive the 2017 PRO model yet... And discerning pixels, that is NOT the issue... I have a iPhone 7 PLUS... and when you watch an HD video on youtube the picture seems to be 3D... For Nature videos, the animals look like they can JUMP out of the screen.... When watching on a LOWER PPI screen the screen looks FLAT.... I have to say watch a vid with a 7 plus screen and have it play the same time on a lower PPI screen... The 7 plus is AWSOME.... can i see pixels, NO... BUT THE WOW factor its there... AND the 2017 models WILL NOT DELIVER W O W!!!! Im disappointed...

    Point NO 2.... There should be a 29W charger included WITH a Lightning bolt cord.

    Point 3... SO what if 5.0 is relatively new.... THIS IS A PRO device... and FROM APPLE... Put it in there... DISAPPOINTED...

    Point 4... I thought the 10x is 10 nano meter chip ... AND An Awesome technical achievement... An APPLE PRO level of achievement...

    SO IF apple delivered a 4K iPad, with a 29 watt charger, would you be excited or disappointed... I would be excited...
     
  13. MentalFloss macrumors 6502a

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    No, I wouldn't be excited, because it would cost 500+ bucks more, so I wouldn't buy it. I am not excited about devices that exceed my budget. I am not excited about devices that I won't own myself. The 10.5 inch iPad Pro hit my budget quite exactly, so I am excited about what I am getting for my money.

    Your definition of "Pro" seems to be "stick every possible high-end feature into it, no matter what". That however is not the general definition of "Pro". "Pro" is an abbreviation for "professional". That word implies that you can use a device for serious work. Neither watching a Youtube video at 4K resolution nor listening to music via Bluetooth 5.0 relates in any way to my job. Perhaps it relates to yours, but I would say that definitely puts you into the minority.

    But then I can only advise you to buy that other tablet from that other company with a 4K resolution and Bluetooth 5.0. I am sure you will be very happy with it.
     
  14. Dave-Z macrumors 6502

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    The pixel density isn't as bad as you're making it out to be since people typically hold a phone closer to their eyes than a tablet. Someone could actually do the math, but I doubt it's worth the trouble because we're pretty sure your trolling.

    No disagreement about the charging adapter. I would guess most people can get through a day and then charge it while they sleep, but I've seen enough complaints that I think Apple should have put something a bit more powerful in the box. A person should, after all, be able to charge and use their iPad at the same time, which as I understand it is not the case right now.

    Bluetooth 5 is stupid. There's not a lot on the market to take advantage of it so I'd rather Apple just use a most readily available and lower cost component. (Though let's be honest, they are not going to pass those savings on to the customer.)

    Who cares about the chip size, number of transistors, etc. For quite awhile now the iPads have been over powered from a hardware perspective. The software needs to catch up first.

    At the end of the day, if you're not happy with the product(s) they released, let them know with your wallet.
     
  15. ABC5S, Jun 9, 2017
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    The MacBook Pro 13 inch has 500 nit and 227 pixels which is less than the iPad Pro 12.9 inch. It has 600 nit and 264 pixels, and that's pretty good for me OP. I have no complaints
     
  16. Kal-037, Jun 9, 2017
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    Lost of Hate in you young padawan. :eek:
    Seriously though, let's get real here for a moment. Can you actually SEE those (HORRIBLE) amount of 264 pixels individually? You talk about 4K TVs, well go look and YOU WILL SEE ALL THE PIXELS on every 4k around, and from a much further distance.
    I suggest taking back your product and moving to Samsung or LG (though their PPI on all their phones/tablets have same PPI as Apple.) Realize more doesn't always mean better. I myself have good vision and can only tell the display has tiny pixels if I bring it way close, use a magnifying glass, or look at certain jagged images... and it looks the exact same (YES the exact same) as my iPhone 7 Plus.
    *If I look at my old iPhone 4, iPad Mini 4, or iPad Pro, I can STILL see the 400+ PPI on the iPhone 7, but it, and all the other iDevices look the exact same as each other.
    PPI doesn't mean way better picture (especially on a smaller device that wouldn't benefit from more PPI.) If you're not happy now... you will still be unhappy. especially since only so many millions of pixels can be put into one tiny area.

    Also it sounds to me like you already had some preconceptions of disappointment or unreal expectations, as watching my iPhone 7 Plus side by side my cracked and damaged iPhone 4, they look the same. I am a film and animation major with minor in photography, so I HAVE to have good eyesight (which I do) and I only see differences in terms of brightness, black levels, and vividness of colors, the same 60hz is there, the same retina display... the PPI is different but each display is manufactured to look like a retina display all across Apple's ecosystem, no matter the PPI level. Each is mathematically and meticulously configured to ensure a retina 2k, 3k, or 4k display is seen, but all pixels remain almost invisible.

    I suggest you stop being so angry and hate filled, and either enjoy the iPad because it is what it is, and that won't change... or you can take it back and hate Apple because they didn't create what you think would be the best thing for everyone.




    Kallum.


    *Edit...
    Let's put one thing into perspective, the iPad Pro 12.9" has over 5.6 million pixels and it's smaller than 13"... 75"-100" 4K TVs have 8 million pixels (just 8,) and all sizes of 4k tvs have the same 8 million (they are only larger pixels or spread apart depending on the size of the TV)... so now please keep complaining about Apple's supposedly sucky pixel amount. lol
     
  17. DNichter macrumors 68030

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    This dude is nuts. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Go buy another tablet with all the specs you are looking for, clearly it's out there.
     
  18. Kal-037, Jun 9, 2017
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    No argument on that statement of the OP here...

    but just food for thought, at the Samsung display in the store I work I came across I believe 2 Samsung Tablets with about 100 or so more Pixels than an iPad. Most manufacturers (Apple, LG, Google, and Samsung) don't bother as such a small display won't truly benefit from it, plus it costs more... and there would be more manufacturing issues that would arise, *which would mean more returns and money loss.


    Kallum.
     
  19. ActionableMango, Jun 9, 2017
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    1. Smaller devices like the iPhone need more pixel density to have a usable resolutions. I'm not "against" increased pixel density, but keep in mind with increased pixel density comes a drop in battery life and reduced performance as well. I can definitely think of areas for improvement when it comes to the screen, but pixel density wouldn't be in my top 3 issues. The top 3 issues that I would prefer to see fixed are things they actually worked on:
      - Reduced bezels (Done)
      - Better PQ (Done, it got both HDR and wider color gamut)
      - Improved outdoor visibility (Maybe done? 600 nits is much brighter than before. Reflection still a problem.)
    2. I agree every device should come with a charger that's capable of charging as fast as the device is designed for. It's not really a personal problem for me because I replaced my AC wall socket with one that does USB and it is capable of charging the iPad Pro 12.9 while it is on, playing Netflix, and at full volume, while also charging another device like an iPhone. So all my device chargers tend to still be new in box--I just don't use them. But yeah, you are right about this even if it doesn't personally affect me.
    3. Are there even any BT 5.0 accessories to connect to? This doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. I don't even know what BT level I have now, or what the differences are between 2, 3, 4, and 5. Do most people? I doubt it--not without doing a sneaky Google search first.
    4. I can safely say that I don't know what the nanometer level of my chip is, and I don't care in the slightest. Nanometer size probably wouldn't be in my top 10, 20, or even 500 issues. Performance is what I care about, and my iPads tend to perform well.
     
  20. garyleecn macrumors 6502a

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    I'd say wether a device is a 'pro' depends more on it's specs, on what it can do, than on it's display. so you can't just 'regardless' the spec.
    also, comparing iPad's PPI against iPod touch's is just stupid. they have different viewing distance, so the required PPI for the same result is different. the smaller the screen is, the closer you get. the closer you get, the more PPI is required for not pixelating.
    if you really want to compare, 5k iMac, including the spec monster iMac pro, has a PPI of 218. based on your logic, an iPod touch is more 'pro' than a 18-core-xeon-128gb-ecc-memory iMac pro?
    at last, there are two iPad pros, and the default 12w charger does charge the smaller one, even when under load. and you just don't know if it will charge 12.9 gen 2.
     
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    How does bt 5.0 make anyone pro? Bahahaha. Pro moniker is a gimmick. It might be considered pro if you make money off these ipad. Maybe ipad scalper pro.

    Anyway..the pro name is used these days to describe something "big."

    Whats the deal? You getting it or not?
     
  22. gobikerider macrumors 68000

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    Obviously he isn't getting it he doesn't like the following
    1. Screen isn't "Pro" because "low" ppi (yet somehow I can't distinguish pixels at normal or even close viewing distance)
    2. No Bluetooth 5 oh no (no one else uses this it's basically untested when has Apple ever put untested tech into a product, this is Apple not Samsung )
    3. A10X isn't a 10nm chip, what a tragic loss (yet somehow it blows away Core i5 and i7 MacBook Pro's)
     
  23. ColdShadow macrumors 6502a

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    Buy the Pro dude.
    that's what you want.
    either the current 9.7" Pro or order the new 10.5" Pro.
    The "regular" iPad is now for budget market.
     
  24. HiItsMe macrumors 6502

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    Sounds more like you're disappointed in the price of the Pro.
     
  25. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Well what I will say is that Bluetooth 5.0 is pretty impressive. Much longer range, more throughout so 2 devices can connect and stream the same content at the same time. For a media device imagine you n a friend or spouse being able to both use your bt headphones while watching a movie. Or connecting/syncing two different bt speakers, etc.

    And bt 5 devices will inevitably be out by eoy.
     

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