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-higher monthly fees if you include data and texting
- no video capture
- no 3g downloads
- no mms
- no landscape keyboard in applications besides safari
- same old camera
- no cut and paste
- no stereo bluetooth
- no streaming bluetooth audio
- no tethering
- no voice dialing
- no to do list
- no 32 gig version
- no haptic feedback
- must activate at at&t store
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Please, I don't mean to flame. But i've gotta be honest in saying that I am VERY disappointed...

So what? The new iPhone has 3G and is a portable computing platform with a multitouch user interface and accelerometer, a centralized store for apps and media, excellent integration with PCs and Macs and unprecedented mindshare with software developers for a mobile device.

You show me one mobile phone that comes close to that package.

It's not a phone. It's a portable computing platform that happens to have phone functionality. If you just want phone functionality, it is probably worth looking elsewhere.
 
-higher monthly fees if you include data and texting
probably the same a other phones
- no video capture
definitely should be there, don't know why it isn't
- no 3g downloads
most apps are less than 10MB, and those are the apps that you can download over 3G, so I'm happy
- no mms
never used it, rather email anyway
- no landscape keyboard in applications besides safari
I agree, SMS deff needs it and email would be nice
- same old camera
love the camera, could have been slightly upgraded though
- no cut and paste
agree, where the hell is it?
- no stereo bluetooth
used this feature on my nextel, don't really care for it anymore
- no streaming bluetooth audio
definitely need more bluetooth support/features
- no tethering
idc
- no voice dialing
would be very useful, since it's a touch screen phone
- no to do list
I like notes, this would be a bonus though
- no 32 gig version
16GB is fine
- no haptic feedback
would be cool
- must activate at at&t store
so? as long as there is no line


All in all, the positives of this phone DEFINITELY outweigh the negatives.

3G
GPS
Plastic back for better call quality and reception
Improved audio for speaker
Better headphone jack
As low as $200 !!
SDK and Apps Store..need I say more?
BEST interface I've EVER used
Full touch screen and REAL web browsing
Maps !!

I could go on forever. I thought the first iPhone was amazing, the iPhone 3G is definitely going to change my life, AGAIN.
 
I have not read a single thing on the internet that praises the iPhone for the features it does have.

You don't read Gizmodo or Engadget or any other tech journal then?

When you get your WinMo iPhone killer, post back to tell us how you are getting on with all the features it has and what its like to use. At least that will be a breath of fresh air unlike this turd ridden repeated junk.

You know, you were doing well until this part because, you see, we're still going to buy it.

if you look at other smartpones in your local store then ask what the deals are you will find it worse than the iPhone.

Not in the UK. The iPhone is now comparable.

try using a Nokia N95 then see which is better

For me the N95 was better than the iPhone v1.0. The GPS, 3G speeds and other features just made it better for me. However, the iPhone 3G is a much more compelling proposition and one that is too good to turn down.
 
It's not a phone. It's a portable computing platform that happens to have phone functionality. If you just want phone functionality, it is probably worth looking elsewhere.

i think this is worth quoting again for truth. because that is exactly what it is, its a new platform to be developed on. it IS the new "tablet" mac everyone keeps wanting. does not do video? does not have MMS? etc... all true and if those are the kinds of things that bug you, then the iPhone is not for you. however all the things the iPhone does do well is why i want one ASAP.

to quote Gruber:
Daring Fireball said:
The physical phone is not the story. A year from now, the iPhone 3G will be replaced by another new model. The platform is the story. Platforms have staying power, and, once entrenched, are very hard to displace.
 
I want to be able to text or email someone info from my contact list. Sometimes people ask me for someone's number and I have to write it down on paper then type it in the text to give it to them.

Or if someone gives me a phone number while I am on the phone with them, it's tough to deal with that too.
 
I want to be able to text or email someone info from my contact list. Sometimes people ask me for someone's number and I have to write it down on paper then type it in the text to give it to them.

Or if someone gives me a phone number while I am on the phone with them, it's tough to deal with that too.

The first would be better served by a button (similar to the email photo button) rather than cut and paste. Contacts and numbers are not text in the iPhone's UI paradigm; they are "objects".

Similarly, you'd want to be able to add text from a browser to an email with a similar button, which would create a "text object" that would be added to an email.

Cut and paste is a stupid way to do it. There is no need for cut and paste or a clipboard on the iPhone. It goes against the UI conventions.
 
You don't read Gizmodo or Engadget or any other tech journal then?

You know, you were doing well until this part because, you see, we're still going to buy it.


For me the N95 was better than the iPhone v1.0. The GPS, 3G speeds and other features just made it better for me. However, the iPhone 3G is a much more compelling proposition and one that is too good to turn down. <--- Dont think anybody really cares, lets be honest

WRONG: I read Engadget everyday. Obviously you dont more like. They dont go round praising it either. They dont slate it but its not a full on praise. They still go and talk about what it lacks. Then you get the comments sections, which are full of iPhone hate.

And who are you to tell me I was doing well with an argument, what sort of junk is that. More like who are YOU to go around and critique peoples posts. You think your some sort of forum hot shot or something that knows the difinitive answer to everything. More like some <insert you know what here> who THINKS he knows everything.

And NO were still going to buy it (better put that in italics forum master) is absolute tripe. No ones going to come to your door, drag you to the shop and make you buy the iPhone 3G. Its the persons choice whether they buy it or not.
 
The first would be better served by a button (similar to the email photo button) rather than cut and paste. Contacts and numbers are not text in the iPhone's UI paradigm; they are "objects".

Similarly, you'd want to be able to add text from a browser to an email with a similar button, which would create a "text object" that would be added to an email.

Cut and paste is a stupid way to do it. There is no need for cut and paste or a clipboard on the iPhone. It goes against the UI conventions.

Agreed.

Just like with URLs, they could add a "Copy URL" to the + button in Safari so you can paste it in an email or something.

I would also like to forward texts.
 
what is the big deal for haptic feedback? Seems completely useless to me personally. So theres a newish technology that has no real use, lets throw it in for no reason!:rolleyes:
 
App store was the big "iphone 2.0" app for me which will bring 75% of what was missing from the iphone to iphone 2.0 (and 1.0 ironically)

The big thing I wanted in iphone 2.0?

3g and GPS.

3G was 20% and the GPS was other 5% (mostly because I always have my iphone so getting directions or "where the hell am I" in middle of nowhere would be nice.

Am I satisfied? I think iphone 2.0 will be the best (Read: not perfect) but the best phone on the market hands down.

Tim
 
-higher monthly fees if you include data and texting
- no video capture
- no 3g downloads
- no mms
- no landscape keyboard in applications besides safari
- same old camera
- no cut and paste
- no stereo bluetooth
- no streaming bluetooth audio
- no tethering
- no voice dialing
- no to do list
- no 32 gig version
- no haptic feedback
- must activate at at&t store
-

Please, I don't mean to flame. But i've gotta be honest in saying that I am VERY disappointed...

I think you got this list when watching CNETTV. That's all what Molly Wood says, except for the activation.

Come on man. Why don't you say this.
Other phones
- No multi-touch
- No eye candy
- No accelerometer
- No 'smart' keyboard
- No 3.5 inch screen (163 ppi mind you.)

But they definitely have those CUTE little plastic keys. (
 
Not in the UK. The iPhone is now comparable.



For me the N95 was better than the iPhone v1.0. The GPS, 3G speeds and other features just made it better for me. However, the iPhone 3G is a much more compelling proposition and one that is too good to turn down.

Yeah the N95 was better than the iPhone v1 however the software on the n95 was buggy as hell and the battery life was so poor...

the Iphone tariff is the only one that gives unlimited data access in the UK included in the tariff....
 
WRONG: I read Engadget everyday. Obviously you dont more like. They dont go round praising it either. They dont slate it but its not a full on praise. They still go and talk about what it lacks. Then you get the comments sections, which are full of iPhone hate.

It's the smell of fear.

None of the others have anything close to Apple's unified software ecosystem and competence in UI design. The closest will probably be Google's platform, but that isn't on the market yet.

So you'll find that most of the criticisms will be about hardware or counting novelty features rather than looking at the device as a unified whole, and not realizing that sometimes less is more. The Luddites defending physical keyboards are the same sort of people who used to defend the command line over the graphical user interface. How many people would buy a computer without a GUI these days?

Indeed, people who are old enough will recognize the responses as similar to those that greeted the original Mac.

There is no iPhone killer. The iPhone is a game changing device. The people who complain that it doesn't play the old game well enough are missing the point. Again, I'd ask someone to show me a phone that has what the iPhone has. A next gen multi touch interface, a mature and secure OS, a central and trusted (and wildly popular) repository for purchasing media and applications, and massive developer mindshare.

Jobs was right. Mobile phone software is juvenile. It's awful. Even on a platform like Windows Mobile, a developer can't assume a common physical UI. If you develop for the iPhone, you know exactly how it is going to work on every iPhone. It's much more like developing for the PC, where you can assume keyboard and mouse input and a bitmap screen. Mobile phones have various input methods and a plethora of buttons. Many don't even have touchscreens. There's not enough standardization.

What can the others do? Samsung et al. will have no trouble putting out decent hardware. But where are they going to get the software from? Microsoft? Windows Mobile is justly reviled. Google? Perhaps, but Google doesn't have a mature OS, and doesn't have much experience with portable multimedia or hardware. Apple on the other hand has a gold mine of intellectual property from 30 years in the computer business (hardware and software) and half a decade of successfully selling bits for a buck a pop over the internet.

The future of the mobile device business favours companies that can build the whole widget, both the hardware and software and the cloud services. Apple is one of the few companies that can actually do that all in house.
 
WRONG: I read Engadget everyday. Obviously you dont more like.

Actually I do. The articles are broadly positive.

They dont go round praising it either. They dont slate it but its not a full on praise. They still go and talk about what it lacks.

Well, yeah. They praise the good bits and criticise the bad bits. You said:

I have not read a single thing on the internet that praises the iPhone for the features it does have.

Which just isn't true - they've all been very positive about the app store, the 3G and the GPS.

I think you're getting a little confused here.

Then you get the comments sections, which are full of iPhone hate.

These are the comments of the readers, not of the staff.

And who are you to tell me I was doing well with an argument, what sort of junk is that. More like who are YOU to go around and critique peoples posts. You think your some sort of forum hot shot or something that knows the difinitive answer to everything. More like some <insert you know what here> who THINKS he knows everything.

I don't know everything. What I do know is that most of the people who criticised some of the missing features on the 3G iPhone are still going to buy it so I don't understand why you suddenly started ranting about 'WinMo turds' when they've nothing to do with the discussion.

And NO were still going to buy it (better put that in italics forum master) is absolute tripe. No ones going to come to your door, drag you to the shop and make you buy the iPhone 3G. Its the persons choice whether they buy it or not.

Well, yeah. That's what I said.

You might want to read people's posts properly before going off on one.
 
It costs more? Wait what? It's still £35 a month, they even added a cheaper £30 option.

Personally I don't want MMS, but a front facing camera would have been nice and a higher res back camera. Still other than that I'm extremely happy with the 3G iPhone and as soon as they're out here I'm getting one having skipped on the 2.5G version. It's the first phone I've really wanted.
 
Actually I do. The articles are broadly positive.

Well, yeah. They praise the good bits and criticise the bad bits.

As in pretty evenly balanced then, I actually said praises, not evenly balanced.

Which just isn't true - they've all been very positive about the app store, the 3G and the GPS.

I think you're getting a little confused here.

Along with all the other critisism. To be honest they cant really be properly positive on them as no one has really had a chance to properly get to grips with it yet. Thats yet to be seen.

These are the comments of the readers, not of the staff.

Fair comment but it does go to show something doesnt it.

I don't know everything. What I do know is that most of the people who criticised some of the missing features on the 3G iPhone are still going to buy it so I don't understand why you suddenly started ranting about 'WinMo turds' when they've nothing to do with the discussion.

You do post like you know everything. And the reason I was talking about WinMo was because it is the other real direct competitor to the iPhone with RIM.

Well, yeah. That's what I said.

You might want to read people's posts properly before going off on one.

Yea that is what I said. People have a choice to buy it if they want. You said people will buy it (with your italics) making out they will buy it out of having to. They dont have to. There are other alternatives if they really want to go that route. I understand perfectly where you are coming from but thats no reason why they HAVE to buy the iPhone. Maybe you should read people posts properly as well then before "going off on one" (obviously in Italics)
 
-higher monthly fees if you include data and texting
- no video capture
- no 3g downloads
- no mms
- no landscape keyboard in applications besides safari
- same old camera
- no cut and paste
- no stereo bluetooth
- no streaming bluetooth audio
- no tethering
- no voice dialing
- no to do list
- no 32 gig version
- no haptic feedback
- must activate at at&t store
-

Please, I don't mean to flame. But i've gotta be honest in saying that I am VERY disappointed...

you activate via iTunes:)
 
Agreed.

Just like with URLs, they could add a "Copy URL" to the + button in Safari so you can paste it in an email or something.

I would also like to forward texts.

you can send a link for any web page, hit the + button and email the link!
 
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