Disney May Split Out Star Wars and Marvel Into Standalone Streaming Services [Updated]

[Ritte]

So you don't pirate because you're cheap, you pirate because you feel entitled. Got it. Way to rationalize theft.

Me and many others don't see piracy as theft.
Theft is a zero-sum. Piracy is not.

I don't pirate a great service I can pay for. For example, I pay for music services.

I spend a lot to support app developers, never pirated an app on the iPhone.

This discussion will probably be way off topic, shoot me a PM if you feel you need to question my moral compass.

 

[Westside guy]

You may be right, however, Disney's carriage fee is far from small. They own the most expensive (from a fee standpoint) channel, ESPN, which rakes in 3-4 times as much as the next closest channel. Plus Disney Channel is a top 5. Then there is all the other ESPN and Disney channels that are a separate fee. I am fairly certain Disney pulls in more carriage fees than any other media company.

I'd think that the large ESPN carriage fee isn't really part of this particular discussion. It's not like Disney is planning on including that with the Marvel Channel.

But at the risk of taking this too far afield - the high cost of those cable tiers (which is largely due to ESPN and the Regional Sports Networks) is one of the reasons cord-cutters often mention regarding why they stopped subscribing. To me, that's the bottom line... many people are already unwilling to pay so much for cable, so the idea that all these independent entities will be able to entice those folks to subscribe to their own channels is likely doomed to fail. People may subscribe for a short time... but the cycle is going to repeat.

 

[mmm1345]

You are equating pirating to downloading from a pirate site. I would venture the most common form of pirating these days is sharing logins to services followed by illegal streams, which far more people know about that you seem to assume. I do not believe people are actually downloading files from a repository any more.

I have no idea because I have no interest in being a thief and I wouldn't trust any pirate service that requires login and credit card information either.
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Me and many others don't see piracy as theft.
Theft is a zero-sum. Piracy is not.

I don't pirate a great service I can pay for. For example, I pay for music services.

I spend a lot to support app developers, never pirated an app on the iPhone.

This discussion will probably be way off topic, shoot me a PM if you feel you need to question my moral compass.

Pirating is "zero sum?" Really? Tell that to all the content creators you are STEALING from. It's money out of their pocket. So don't give me it doesn't hurt anyone and it's "zero sum" and no one loses bs. Stealing is stealing.

 

[err404]

I'm fine if Disney wants to make their stuff less accessible. There will be plenty to watch in its place. It's not like there is a lack of quality shows to keep my hous filled from Netflix, Amazon and HBO.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

A la Carte at it’s finest. Yay.

People have been begging for a la carte for years. This is what they were requesting. Funny to see some get upset now that it's happening.

Don't forget there are Star Wars fans that would prefer to have it separate than pay for it bundled with other stuff.

 

[rhett7660]

It doesn't matter to me if they split it, as I won't be subscribing to any of it. Now if they said they will no longer be selling their movies on blu-ray or dvd, then I would have an issue. But for me, I will just wait for it to be released on a disc, burn it, and enjoy it when I want to that way.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

I doubt this will happen.



It will only cost more money if you let it.

Who said that a cord cutter has to subscribe to every service all the time? Just subscribe for a few months, watch what you want to watch, then cancel for a few months. Many times, the streaming services have a free trial, so you might end up getting your first month free when you re-subscribe.

If a person cuts the cord, then get 10 different streaming services at the same time, then it is their own fault if they end up paying more than a cable bill.

EDIT: I am not saying that you would do this, I was just talking about some random cord cutter...

Enjoy the shadow work. Sure you could do that, but you're looking at taking on lots of extra work for yourself. While you take the time to sign up for free trials, create new passwords and email addresses, then go through all the hoops of cancelling, you're doing all kinds of extra work. If you put that effort into your own work, you'd likely more than pay for the cancelled subscription.

 

[Cashmonee]

I have no idea because I have no interest in being a thief and I wouldn't trust any pirate service that requires login and credit card information either.

You are completely missing my point.

People share their cable logins with friends and family. Same with Netflix, HBO Now, Hulu, etc. Nothing dangerous about this at all. However, it is a form of piracy.

Further, there are sites all over the internet that do not require you to give them anything and allow you to stream content from them that is not legal. Also, it is trivial to build an Amazon FireStick that has access to basically anything you want in pretty good quality. Also, completely safe. No viruses, no disclosing of private information.

I do not believe the type of piracy you describe is practiced in large numbers anymore. Certainly not like it was 10 years ago when the Pirate Bay was in its heyday.

Having said all that, I do not myself pirate content and I do not think people should. However, a FireStick with Kodi installed is trivial to acquire and use, and is safe. Getting your buddies cable login takes zero effort and is completely safe. Hell, most people wouldn't even think of that as piracy. People know about these things and will turn to them if they find it an easier path to the content they want. That is what is relevant to the Disney story. If there are dozens of streaming services, each with compelling, exclusive content, well-intentioned people will either stop watching or pirate.

 

[f1rd720]

Greed is a bad thing.

 

[budselectjr]

Physical media is next. 6TB disc + Bluray Disc + MakeMKV + PLEX = peace of mind. Add 600 day retention to Usenet for 4.99/month and you bypass all this crap!

Plus Sonarr and Radarr and you are good to go.

 

[tonyr6]

This is a joke. NF could have renewed Disney contract. Hello Reed open up your wallet instead of wasting your money on original NF filth.

 

[johannnn]

Why does every show need their own streaming service nowadays? Why can't we have a Spotify for TV? Soon I'll need to work two jobs to afford all the streaming services (and not to forget all apps that also want a monthly fee nowadays)

 

[tonyr6]

Why does every show need their own streaming service nowadays? Why can't we have a Spotify for TV? Soon I'll need to work two jobs to afford all the streaming services (and not to forget all apps that also want a monthly fee nowadays)

Because of bonehead CEO"s like Reed. Rather waste over $10 million dollars on one episode of that turd filth Marco Polo which could be used to renew contracts. NF love for making there own stupid content is putting them more in debt. If they would just renew and get more licensed content it would have been different.

 

[Juicy Box]

Enjoy the shadow work. Sure you could do that, but you're looking at taking on lots of extra work for yourself. While you take the time to sign up for free trials, create new passwords and email addresses, then go through all the hoops of cancelling, you're doing all kinds of extra work. If you put that effort into your own work, you'd likely more than pay for the cancelled subscription.

How long does it take to sign up and cancel streaming services? If it takes you longer than a minute, you are doing it wrong. Also, I never had to create a new email to get services. If you iTunes to cancel your sub, you could do it on your iPhone in less time than it takes to pee.

It may take longer to cancel ISPs due to having to call to cancel, but it doesn't take long to sign up for one.

So yes, it does take a little time, but I save hundreds of dollars a year versus cable, or having all the services.

 

[tonyr6]

Except now some services require crazy hard passwords. Funimation required a 10 digit password with numbers, letters upper case and a character or two. It was a PITA to sign up and I had to write down the password and store it on my phone I can never remember it. Reminds of a certain fruit company again can't remember the password either.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

How long does it take to sign up and cancel streaming services? If it takes you longer than a minute, you are doing it wrong. Also, I never had to create a new email to get services. If you iTunes to cancel your sub, you could do it on your iPhone in less time than it takes to pee.

It may take longer to cancel ISPs due to having to call to cancel, but it doesn't take long to sign up for one.

So yes, it does take a little time, but I save hundreds of dollars a year versus cable, or having all the services.

Maybe it takes you a minute. Now multiply that by all the times you're claiming you'll cancel and then restart a service. It adds up and it's still work. Enjoy taking on a bunch of extra work in our already busy lives.

 

[Westside guy]

Why does every show need their own streaming service nowadays? Why can't we have a Spotify for TV?

I'm pretty sure we will - eventually. But the next few years are going to be annoying, as every content owner, large and small, tries to start their own streaming service.

You have to remember the old white guys that run these companies still want us to live in the 1970s. But, even with Disney - people will eventually start saying "Sure, I want to see Frozen whenever I'd like... but it seems like I'm mostly paying for all the That's So Raven marathons".

 

[ActionableMango]

Having a separate subscription service for each sub-brand is stupid.

What Disney should do is have a separate subscription service for every single movie title.

 

[kazmac]

I can see how this would add up and be very frustrating for families or folks on tight budgets. It's greedy.

As I am not a streaming services user (outside of using YouTube's free version for music at work) nor purchaser of much Star Wars or Marvel movies/shows these days, not going to worry about it.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

This is fine. just don't sell it.

 

[eatrains]

Me and many others don't see piracy as theft.
Theft is a zero-sum. Piracy is not.

I don't pirate a great service I can pay for. For example, I pay for music services.

I spend a lot to support app developers, never pirated an app on the iPhone.

This discussion will probably be way off topic, shoot me a PM if you feel you need to question my moral compass.

I guess you hop turnstiles and sneak into theaters too

 

[ActionableMango]

People have been begging for a la carte for years. This is what they were requesting. Funny to see some get upset now that it's happening.

Before a la carte, for HBO I would have had to subscribe to cable premium and then add HBO on top of that, plus either rent or buy cable equipment. And I seem to remember some nickle-and-diming too, for things like digital, or HD, or on demand, or whatever (I dunno, maybe they don't do that any more). So I simply never had HBO.

Now I just pay HBO $15/mo and don't have to deal with all that other crap I don't want. Simple and cheap. So yeah, I'm pretty glad a la carte its here.

I can see why those of you who watch tons of TV might want bundle pricing, but can't you still do that? The point isn't to have only one system or the other, the point was to have options. Why are people crapping on having options?

 

[subjonas]

It's possible he means create separate streaming apps all under one disney umbrella paid service. It wasn't explicitly said otherwise. Either way, I don't see how it's a good idea. Just have different sections within one app. How is there enough star wars content to make a whole channel out of it? 8 movies and one cartoon series as far as I know. I could get through all of that in 3 days.

 

[rhett7660]

I have no idea because I have no interest in being a thief and I wouldn't trust any pirate service that requires login and credit card information either.
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I think the post was referring more to someone, like a family member, purchasing a service, like HBO, and then sharing their log on information with other family members. Not giving info to a third party that you do not know.

 

[nwcs]

Even if such devices stay legal here, what do you do if Disney-or anyone else-simply quits making DVD's or Bluerays? No high quality source material to make your digital copy from

I say $@#! that and read books. Or rewatch whatever I previously had. Besides, as I get older the less I like of the sludge bring produced (generally speaking). I'm sure my son will grow up to disagree with me but that's life.