Disney Shares Trailer for Immersive Vision Pro Marvel Story

[citysnaps]

I think you can stop continually framing this as a contest of personalities.

You’re basically saying “I have a healthy imagination. I understand what AR is all about. I understand AR’s potential. I have an open mind. My mind is not calcified. YOU, on the other hand…” It’s kinda insulting.

Besides, what you’re defending is cartoons for kids, which is kind of pointless. Disney’s Marvel content won’t bring in big numbers of people. Shocking but true: most adults don’t spend a lot of time thinking about cartoons and comics.

Not true. Many here believe AVP has very limited utility or so-called "use cases," and, there are relatively few people who can use the device.

Others who understand the potential of AR/VR can easily/quickly come up with at least a few dozen, some people far more. To me that speaks to having an active imagination.

"Besides, what you’re defending is cartoons for kids, which is kind of pointless."

What? I'm defending cartoons for kids re AVP? Hardly. And silly. That's your assessment of AVP's utility/value.

 

[EugW]

"Besides, what you’re defending is cartoons for kids, which is kind of pointless."

What? I'm defending cartoons for kids re AVP? Hardly. And silly. That's your assessment of AVP's utility/value.

The article is literally about a cartoon, mainly for kids.

BTW, I’ve seen the other What If episodes previously and most of them are pretty uninteresting. Even Marvel considers it second tier material as most of the voice actors aren’t even the original actors, and the content isn’t Marvel canon.

 

[thewill586]

Knowing Disney, this app will be expensive. A lot of AVP apps are overpriced.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Not true. Many here believe AVP has very limited utility or so-called "use cases," and, there are relatively few people who can use the device.

Others who understand the potential of AR/VR can easily/quickly come up with at least a few dozen, some people far more. To me that speaks to having an active imagination.

"Besides, what you’re defending is cartoons for kids, which is kind of pointless."

What? I'm defending cartoons for kids re AVP? Hardly. And silly. That's your assessment of AVP's utility/value.

Your self serving BS fails to impress me. You are literally defending cartoons for kids. That isn’t “my assessment.” It’s the content of your posts and the topic of the thread.

My point is that maybe you need to stop bending over backwards to prove to everyone how much better than them you think you are.

 

[citysnaps]

Your self serving BS fails to impress me. You are literally defending cartoons for kids. That isn’t “my assessment.” It’s the content of your posts and the topic of the thread.

My point is that maybe you need to stop bending over backwards to prove to everyone how much better than them you think you are.

Why in the world would I even want to impress you?

I'm simply talking about the wide breadth of potential AVP uses (as I've outlined many times before here on MR). I'm sorry that bothers you.

"My point is that maybe you need to stop bending over backwards to prove to everyone how much better than them you think you are."

Stop making stuff up - those are your thoughts. If my views on what AVP can be used for makes you unhappy, simply scroll on by.

 

[lilkwarrior]

I completely disagree. A laptop is easier and more intuitive and you don’t have to wear it on your face.

We can certainly respectfully disagree—nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

A laptop is more primitive, less exclusionary, and a more entrenched existing computing platform so I would hope the first point is true.

Nonetheless a Vision Pro works with Macs and the input devices connected to them seamlessly towards more convenient portable computing than otherwise making it a bit of an awkward comparison to make in the matter you are.

The latter two are subjective and based on personal preferences and biased developed/manifested from passed experiences and the matter you got into and grew up using computing platforms.

I’d argue laptops being more intuitive is debatable as far as various types of computing is concerned with the widely reported excellent eye tracking and controller less UI of the Vison Pro—it’s certainly more ergonomically superior the Vision Pro’s input paradigms than what average mouse computer input paradigms are from a human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science standpoint.

You look at the things you want to interact with and interact with the thing/canvas pinching/tapping two fingers in a wide variety of ways more comfortable and flexible than a typical mouse/trackpad; further more the Vision Pro allows you to use those traditional devices as well making it arguably more intuitive for new and existing computer users—especially for people with great spatial memory/intelligence that immediately benefit from such a device compared to a laptop.

With that said, framing “you don’t have to wear it on your face” as a con is obvious a con and something objectively people with great spatial memory/intelligence certainly wouldn’t frame as a con vs a benefit.

Various use cases of Personal computing for a meaningful amount of people benefits from that arrangement—especially public/open spaces.

The privacy that allows for personal computing alone makes that only a plus for such people and very much applicable for the target audience of the Vision Pro.

That arrangement is also the only way from an immersive and function standpoint certain use cases such as FPS gaming and CAD development can transcend the limits and quality they have on traditional devices like TVs and monitors connected to consoles and computers.

 

[fabbydabby1]

Knowing Disney, this app will be expensive. A lot of AVP apps are overpriced.

Well if you can afford this headset then the price of apps should be no problem to you

 

[Surf Monkey]

We can certainly respectfully disagree—nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

A laptop is more primitive, less exclusionary, and a more entrenched existing computing platform so I would hope the first point is true.

Nonetheless a Vision Pro works with Macs and the input devices connected to them seamlessly towards more convenient portable computing than otherwise making it a bit of an awkward comparison to make in the matter you are.

The latter two are subjective and based on personal preferences and biased developed/manifested from passed experiences and the matter you got into and grew up using computing platforms.

I’d argue laptops being more intuitive is debatable as far as various types of computing is concerned with the widely reported excellent eye tracking and controller less UI of the Vison Pro—it’s certainly more ergonomically superior the Vision Pro’s input paradigms than what average mouse computer input paradigms are from a human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science standpoint.

You look at the things you want to interact with and interact with the thing/canvas pinching/tapping two fingers in a wide variety of ways more comfortable and flexible than a typical mouse/trackpad; further more the Vision Pro allows you to use those traditional devices as well making it arguably more intuitive for new and existing computer users—especially for people with great spatial memory/intelligence that immediately benefit from such a device compared to a laptop.

With that said, framing “you don’t have to wear it on your face” as a con is obvious a con and something objectively people with great spatial memory/intelligence certainly wouldn’t frame as a con vs a benefit.

Various use cases of Personal computing for a meaningful amount of people benefits from that arrangement—especially public/open spaces.

The privacy that allows for personal computing alone makes that only a plus for such people and very much applicable for the target audience of the Vision Pro.

That arrangement is also the only way from an immersive and function standpoint certain use cases such as FPS gaming and CAD development can transcend the limits and quality they have on traditional devices like TVs and monitors connected to consoles and computers.

Sure. Never mind the massive downsides to having to look directly at the thing you want to click. Just one of many interface issues with Vision.

But the issue here is that you’re ignoring the primary problems with the device. First, it’s extremely isolating. It goes over your face. It requires special fitting and in many cases special prescription inserts. It offers you a lower resolution version of reality to “exist in.” The best input method for text on the device is still a physical keyboard. You can’t share content with another person with it. You can’t set up a second user on it. The issues go on and on and on.

Furthermore, what evidence is there that this is actually a useful and inevitable interface? Is anyone rushing towards AR/VR? Do consumers want to have to wear hardware on their faces to get basic things like email and texting done?

Look, I get that you’re on board with Vision but I’d be careful about asserting it as in any way superior to current paradigms or even remotely inevitable. Laptops are highly refined and efficient machines that are easy for most people to open up and use without having to wear anything or learn some new array of hand gestures to get it to work. The idea that Vision is superior to or in any significant way replaces a laptop is patently absurd on the face of it.

 

[ictiosapiens]

Look, I get that you’re on board with Vision but I’d be careful about asserting it as in any way superior to current paradigms or even remotely inevitable. Laptops are highly refined and efficient machines that are easy for most people to open up and use without having to wear anything or learn some new array of hand gestures to get it to work. The idea that Vision is superior to or in any significant way replaces a laptop is patently absurd on the face of it.

Vision OS will eventually bring shared experiences and after that, the moment Vision Pro is the size of a pair of glasses it will surpass the laptop and every other form of interactive computing device. Until that is, it is itself surpassed by neural interfaces.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Vision OS will eventually bring shared experiences and after that, the moment Vision Pro is the size of a pair of glasses it will surpass the laptop and every other form of interactive computing device. Until that is, it is itself surpassed by neural interfaces.

Vision Pro can never be glasses. Y’all need to let go of that impossible dream. As to neural interface, that’s an especially stupid and dangerous idea that will not become mainstream.

 

[EugW]

Vision Pro can never be glasses.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Not in the next decade though.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I wouldn’t be so sure. Not in the next decade though.

I can be so sure. Don’t fall into the tech bro fantasy that there’s no end to miniaturization. We’re already at the lower limit for size on many of the Visions’ components and the most important one (battery) hasn’t seen a significant advancement in decades. There’s simply too much space consuming tech in Vision to ever expect it all to fit in standard glasses frames. That end game will not happen in our lifetimes and probably never will.

 

[EugW]

I can be so sure. Don’t fall into the tech bro fantasy that there’s no end to miniaturization. We’re already at the lower limit for size on many of the Visions’ components and the most important one (battery) hasn’t seen a significant advancement in decades. There’s simply too much space consuming tech in Vision to ever expect it all to fit in standard glasses frames. That end game will not happen in our lifetimes and probably never will.

You don't need everything in Vision Pro in glasses. Google Glass has already shown us what can be accomplished in a relatively small form factor. Was it half assed? Yes, but that was a decade ago. Optics will remain a concern, but battery won't.

BTW, I have more computing power in my Watch than I did in my old school overclocked gaming computer of yesteryear.

 

[Surf Monkey]

You don't need everything in Vision Pro in glasses. Google Glass has already shown us what can be accomplished in a relatively small form factor. Was it half assed? Yes, but that was a decade ago. Optics will remain a concern, but battery won't.

BTW, I have more computing power in my Watch than I did in my old school overclocked gaming computer of yesteryear.

And? It still won’t ever fit into glasses. That’s just wishful thinking.

 

[ictiosapiens]

And? It still won’t ever fit into glasses. That’s just wishful thinking.

A faster lower latency version of Bluetooth and there’s zero need for much in the glasses themselves. Optics were cut from thick fresnel lenses to a third in pancake lenses in less than 5 years. And tethered, AR glasses from xreal and others already show a basic form of AR.

Battery tech is also moving fast. It’ll be 10 years if even that.