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Disagree with that. Kia and BMW do completely opposite things at the fundamental level - one makes you feel "meh", one makes you feel great.

There is nothing more fundamental than raw emotion.

They are both cars. They are both 4 wheeled vehicles, and within comparable categories/classes, carry the same passengers, have air, electric windows, auto transmissions, engines, airbags. That is the "fundamental and functional" purpose of the vehicles - transportation from point "a" to point "b". As with the Fire and iPad, they simply go about it with vastly different levels of quality and "performance". It is that quality and performance, the higher quality engineering, that makes you feel great instead of "meh" inside the BMW. It is also the discernible difference I felt between the iPad and Fire. The Fire made me feel "meh" when I demoed it. Even though it plays videos, plays games, runs Apps and serves as a reader like the iPad. Generally, a "meh"-free experience costs more. Not everyone finds "feeling great" worth the extra dollars.
 
9.7" old ipad2 and a new 7" ipad 3.

at best i think they will do a refresh on the ipad2 and then push out a new smaller form factor. it doesnt make sense for apple to do a third brand new 9.7" ipad in a row. look at how they did the iphone and every other product they have the chinese produce.

just sayin... dont get your panties in a wad when apple once again doesnt announce what you want.

did everyone here see woz's interview? its very revealing. it seriously puts apple's future in perspective.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/14/even-woz-thinks-the-android-bests-the-iphone.html
 
This makes very little sense.

It would be ludicrous for Apple to produce two models in volume, especially a heavily discounted iPad 2, which at ~ $350 would be basically a break-even proposition for Apple. In case you missed the memo, Apple ain't in the break-even business. And its existence would cannibalize - very heavily - the sales of its (presumably) profitable iPad 3 unit.

Apple doesn't care about trying to compete with the Kindle Fire. If someone wants to buy a cheap tablet, they are going to buy a cheap tablet. There is no logic in Apple destroying its margins simply to meet them halfway.

Somebody, somewhere, got a hold of a spreadsheet they probably shouldn't have. Compounding that sin, they are now misinterpreting whatever figures were on it, and passing their confusion off as a news story.

iPhone 3GS: $Free.

I love when people post back to sarcasm using sarcasm and the OP accuses the responder of not getting sarcasm.

Is that sarcastic?
 
I don't think the old Apple (Steve's Apple) would have ever done this - selling 2 of the same products at the same time. iPhones are different. Phones are meant to be cheap and replaced very often, so selling a cheaper iPhone and the newer iPhone simultaneously is fine and then the joke is on everyone who treats their iPhone like it's their god.

But iPads are in a different class, more along the lines of a computer. Apple does not sell old computer models in their stores. It would never have been the "Steve way." Tim Cook seriously blows big baby chunks.
 
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Apple has shown consistently that they don't need to.

Amazon sells a cheap tablet. And that's exactly what you get.

The real question is, how will the competition manage to compete with Apple? That's the real worry here. The also-rans haven't learned anything from Apple's strategy. Not only is there still (even from seeing all the junk at CES) no iPad-killer, there isn't even a credible device (or even platform) by the competition that can actually compete level-to-level with the iPad.
I Greed Nothing Impresses Me At CES!
 
Retina refers to the pixel density at which the user cannot discern individual pixels at the normal operating distance.

That was determined to be 300ppi at the phone distance. An iPad is held further away, so the density doesn't need to be as high to be Retina.

Don't forget to add that it is with respect to the physical dimensions of the screen.
 
I have a kindle fire and its the biggest POS. Laggy as hell, the browser sucks and is slow, text is hardly readable without having to zoom in and the Apps are nothing but blown up phone apps. I only use it to read some books. Everything else is done on the ipad. Amazon really suckered people into buying a crap tablet. Its best to save some money and buy the real thing.

Right. People don't want tablets. They want iPads!

I have the mk. 2 version and it is totally brilliant. My wife look sad if I for some reason take it with me to work. She love it.

I bought my old parents one too. It's either in use or being recharged.

I have no experience with the Kindle or any andriod tabs. I have no interest in them. My Google Nexus S is the first (and last) droid phone i'll ever own. What a POS :(
 
I don't understand how some people can possibly think that the ipad2 will ever be sold at kindle fire-pricing in the near future. They both work on different price models; apple doesn't really earn much from its apps store, so it would be folly to expect that to subsidise the cost of a tablet.

Take me for instance, I have no spent a cent purchasing a single app to date, subsisting only on what free apps are being offered daily. Apple would go broke catering to customers like me. :D
 
iPhone 3GS: $Free.

Oh, so you can just walk into an Apple store and they'll hand you an iPhone 3GS without signing any papers or anything?

You are overlooking the fact that the cellular company is who pays most of the upfront cost of the iPhone (and indeed pretty much every other mobile phone). And trust me, Apple isn't giving the 3GS to them for nothing.
 
The 4 at $99 and 3GS for free (with a contract) drew in a lot of customers who could justify paying $100, but didn't want to invest $200-$300 in a phone.

There are lots of people who use their iPad just for browsing and apps. They have no need to store 32 gig worth of media on them.

My mother-in-law is hinting around about one. Paying $500-$700 for what would for a solitaire machine and electronic bible is hard to swallow. But if I could pay half of that it would go down easier.....just sayin

I totally agree... and that's why I said this:

"there are some people who are very motivated by price."

"I think Apple is doing the right thing by making older products more accessible to price conscious customers."
 
I think my guess of a Wi-Fi only iPad 2 in 16 and 32 GB versions continuing to sell, but at US$299 for the 16 GB version and US$399 for the 32 GB version, might actually come true.

This might indicate that the new iPad could be quite pricey: don't be surprised if the 16 GB iPad 3 could start as high as US$599 for the 16 GB Wi-Fi only version, if only due to the high cost of the 9.7" 2048x1536 display panel.
 
prices...

I wouldn't expect prices to go down all that much. Seems to me Apple is setting up the iPad3 as the super option above all the rest. Seeing as nothing can even come close to touching the iPad3 right now, I bet they're going to tack on another $100 or so to each model

something like this... ( WiFi models )
16GB iPad2 $399
32GB iPad2 $499
64GB iPad2 $599
64GB iPad3 $699
128GB iPad3 $899

There's just no reason to undercut the iPad2 so much... who is the competitor?
Samsung 10.1? I suppose so.

Maybe they'll drop the price on the iPad2 16GB to something lower than say $350, but I doubt it. Apple doesn't have a reason or need to create a loss leader.
 
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Privacy invading camera? What on earth are you going on about?

And in other news, tin foil hats are still in vogue..

Sarcasm meters must be on the fritz.

Does the iPad seriously have a sarcasm meter? Thats probably another sensor component they'll have to drop to get the price down. Sucks but oh well... That's one feature I and apparently many others here could actually use
 
iPad 3

It works well for Apple in the iPhone-area to sell older models at cheaper prices (three best selling US phones by YE 2011 are iPhone 4S, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS), so I hope they will still sell iPad 2 at a lower price (e.g. 399 USD) once iPad 3 is launched. This would be a major blow to the competition, building significant entry barriers for new entrants or manufacturers with limited success so far (RIM, Motorola, Acer, etc), also taking away business from Amazon's Kindle.
 
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If they don't get the price below 199 I'll have to go go with the kindle. It doesn't have that excessively big screen, that privacy invading camera, and it has that fragmented app store with only the apps I really need. Less clutter. Apple, step up your game.

Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't watching me.
 
Did everyone here see woz's interview? its very revealing. it seriously puts apple's future in perspective.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/14/even-woz-thinks-the-android-bests-the-iphone.html

That story is as believable as digitimes, just read it and comments from people.

I think Woz is way to smart to say things like that, just made up by a bad writer.

Just one quote from "Woz"

“I used to ask Siri, ‘What are the five biggest lakes in California?’ and it would come back with the answer. Now it just misses. It gives me real estate listings. I used to ask, ‘What are the prime numbers greater than 87?’ and it would answer. Now instead of getting prime numbers, I get listings for prime rib, or prime real estate,” Woz says.

Why the hell would the Woz ask such a question while He knows 100% sure there is no answer to this in numbers, in one word-infinite-yes but not actual numbers.
 
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