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Can someone explain to me what’s the point, same MacBook with a new chip? The m3 is still over kill and my M1 Max still will have Apple intelligence. So what’s the reason to upgrade. The m2, m3 and now m4 isn’t really worth it for just a slightly faster chip, we need a redesign or smaller notch or something major changed
64 GB RAM is not much for what I do. I could use 192 GB or 256 GB.
 
Can someone explain to me what’s the point, same MacBook with a new chip? The m3 is still over kill and my M1 Max still will have Apple intelligence. So what’s the reason to upgrade. The m2, m3 and now m4 isn’t really worth it for just a slightly faster chip, we need a redesign or smaller notch or something major changed
You are aware other people exist right?
 
VERY happy with my M2 Max 16in but an OLED display would get me to jump - just might be perfection


Not going to happen with the M4 Mackbook PRO. OLED panel shipments are expected to drop in Q3 after the rise in Q2 for the iPad PRO.


  • In Q3’24, OLED tablet panel growth is expected to fall 9% Q/Q while rising 153% Y/Y to 3.75M panels. A sizable drop at Apple after a robust Q2’24 is not expected to offset gains at new entrants Honor and Microsoft and from higher volumes at existing players Huawei, Lenovo and Samsung with Samsung ramping panel production in Q3’24 for the upcoming Galaxy Tab S10 Plus and S10 Ultra to be launched in Q4’24.
 
“Display Panels for M4 MacBook Pro Shipping Ahead of Q4 Launch”


Well, it would be awfully awkward to ship the panels after the computers launch. Then again, Apple got stingey with the power supplies because: “we already have one”. Maybe they can do that with new displays.
 
If no redesign is happening, how do they know they are for M4 laptops?
I was going to ask this same question. They're the same panels that go into the M3 versions. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps Apple stopped manufacturing M3 models and is relying on existing stock until they launch the M4s.
 
Got my Maxed Out i7 2012 rMBP as well running strong. Our 2016 2 Core MBP is struggling though.
Did you get the battery on yours replaced?

We barely notice any slowdown in the 2012. Only reason we want to upgrade is for the latest Mac OS, the feature differential is getting more noticeable when you have the latest iOS/iPhone/iPad.

Non-retina w/DVD drive here. Replaced the battery twice, but even now with this last one I get maybe 90 minutes, and it can't even hold a charge during sleep for 48 hours. The trackpad long ago stopped clicking (have to use wireless USB mouse). The fan never shuts up either (hence its constant weeping), probably due to the use of Classic Microsoft Teams (which can't be upgraded since it's stuck on 10.15 Catalina). You're absolutely right about the drifting feature parity. Many barriers will be lifted in a few months time.

The same for mine, from 2012 with all its heat... We are going to do the biggest jump. Stay strong my friend and wait, we'll get a great M4p pro or M4 max machine

Looking at going all out and getting a high trim M4 Max (64GB RAM/2TB SSD). This one needs to last me another 8-12 years lol. I also upgraded from a 2008 Canon 50D SLR camera to the new 2024 R5 Mark II (arriving next week!) and will need a machine that can handle those large files.
 
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Got my Maxed Out i7 2012 rMBP as well running strong. Our 2016 2 Core MBP is struggling though.
Did you get the battery on yours replaced?

We barely notice any slowdown in the 2012. Only reason we want to upgrade is for the latest Mac OS, the feature differential is getting more noticeable when you have the latest iOS/iPhone/iPad.

Dual cores are rough to use in general these days - I've got a 2013 13" I use for light work and even things like software updates push it to the point of chugging.
 
Non-retina w/DVD drive here. Replaced the battery twice, but even now with this last one I get maybe 90 minutes, and it can't even hold a charge during sleep for 48 hours. The trackpad long ago stopped clicking (have to use wireless USB mouse). The fan never shuts up either (hence its constant weeping), probably due to the use of Classic Microsoft Teams (which can't be upgraded since it's stuck on 10.15 Catalina). You're absolutely right about the drifting feature parity. Many barriers will be lifted in a few months time.



Looking at going all out and getting a high trim M4 Max (64GB RAM/2TB SSD). This one needs to last me another 8-12 years lol. I also upgraded from a 2008 Canon 50D SLR camera to the new 2024 R5 Mark II (arriving next week!) and will need a machine that can handle those large files.
Wow I'm into photography too. I have an old nikon D90. Your upgrade to R5 Mark II will make you eager to have a new mac. You'll may be able to open just jpegs with your current macs, and scrolling through files with some lag.
 
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Not everyone has an M1 Max?
Yes so it’s better to go for a cheaper older one like M2 Max etc you don’t need to spend on full price for something that hasn’t really changed since 2021. Come on the M1 Max is over kill for 99.9% of people, the m4 can’t be advertised for Apple intelligence when it works on the m1 series
 
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Can someone explain to me what’s the point, same MacBook with a new chip? The m3 is still over kill and my M1 Max still will have Apple intelligence. So what’s the reason to upgrade. The m2, m3 and now m4 isn’t really worth it for just a slightly faster chip, we need a redesign or smaller notch or something major changed

I have a feeling that Apple Intelligence is going to be quite hard/slow on earlier M1 chips and the M4 is going to be the chip to have if you intend to use Apple Intelligence heavily.

Any rumor regarding Thunderbolt 5 support for this generation?

100% no Tb5 this year

I think TB5 may make an appearence - there is already a lptop on the market with TB5: https://www.razer.com/gb-en/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-18
 
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Any rumor regarding Thunderbolt 5 support for this generation?
Likely not for the base M4 chip at least. Thunderbolt 5 was finalized in September and the M4 debuted in May, which means it was likely taped out and finalized sometime last fall. Given that M-series chips have the Thunderbolt controller baked into the SoC die itself it's likely Apple wouldn't have had time to add the final TB5 implementation to the chip before it entered production. Remember chips go into production months before the devices they power debut.

While the M4 iPad Pro doesn't list the Thunderbolt version on its specs page, reviewers have confirmed it's Thunderbolt 4 minus the ability to power two displays on a single port (hence why it can't be called Thunderbolt 4).

It's possible that Apple could add in Thunderbolt 5 for Pro and Max chips but again it depends when they froze the tape out design of the SoC and whether Apple sees that much value in adding TB5 versus just touting the other performance gains of the chips.
 
Sounds like a different panel is going into the MacBook Pros. We didn't get Ross Young telling us about the panels for the M2 or the M3. He only seems to advise when a change is happening with display on a product line.
 
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Waiting on a desktop here. If MacBook Pro models will get M4, M4 Pro, and M4 Max chips then will the Mac Mini-Mini get them too? That's what I really want to know!
Studio isn't getting anything this year, according to rumors, so there needs to be something M4 and powerful for the desktop.
 
Yes so it’s better to go for a cheaper older one like M2 Max etc you don’t need to spend on full price for something that hasn’t really changed since 2021. Come on the M1 Max is over kill for 99.9% of people, the m4 can’t be advertised for Apple intelligence when it works on the m1 series
You can't have an older computer without having a newer one. That "cheaper older" M2 Max is only cheaper because there is an M3 Max and soon to be M4 Max coming out.
 
Can someone explain to me what’s the point, same MacBook with a new chip? The m3 is still over kill and my M1 Max still will have Apple intelligence. So what’s the reason to upgrade. The m2, m3 and now m4 isn’t really worth it for just a slightly faster chip, we need a redesign or smaller notch or something major changed
There is a mayor hardware-level vulnerability on Apple Silicon and ARM that can leak cryptographic keys. This is why there hasn't been a lot of fanfare noise on M3 and why iPad Pro lineup completely skipped M3 Lineup and went straight to M4.

The security vulnerability is dubbed GoFetch by the team that discovered it, the issue stems from how processors equipped with data memory-dependent prefetchers (DMPs) - eg, Arm-compatible Apple Silicon chips, and 13th generation and newer Intel architectures - can end up revealing sensitive information to malware running on a device.

Although the new chipset will probably have better Neural Engine Cores and better performance for running Localized LLM's the main issue is the Vulnerability I mentioned above.

Sources:

Wired: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-m-chip-flaw-leak-encryption-keys/
ArsTechnica: https://arstechnica.com/security/20...secret-encryption-keys-from-apples-mac-chips/
GoFetch:https://gofetch.fail/
 
Waiting on a desktop here. If MacBook Pro models will get M4, M4 Pro, and M4 Max chips then will the Mac Mini-Mini get them too? That's what I really want to know!
Studio isn't getting anything this year, according to rumors, so there needs to be something M4 and powerful for the desktop.

Good chance for a M4Pro chip in a the new Mac mini but I doubt an M4Max chip will be available in a Mac mini
 
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