DisplayMate: iPhone X Has the 'Most Innovative and High Performance' Smartphone Display Ever Tested

[tooltalk]

How can you possibly know what Apple did or didn’t do or what expertise it may have or have hired. You don’t. People just spew out anything that is really opinion which they falsely believe as fact.

Sure, you are the one claimed that "Apple provided more than a set of specs to Samsung," -- the onus is on you to prove that. Based on Dr. Soniera's review of the product, the iPhone's X's display differs from Samsung Super AMOLED display, in just a few ways, in calibration, display brightness, for instance. There isn't much else out here to suggests that Apple's display is any different in fundamental ways -- or as your buddy FFR claims, Apple "designed" it. Further, the AMOLED making is mostly about material science and process engineering, not IC designs that you associate with the Axx series APs or other micro controllers. The IC drivers while important has an incredibly small role in such display tech.

 

[I7guy]

Sure, you are the one claimed that "Apple provided more than a set of specs to Samsung," -- the onus is on you to prove that. Based on Dr. Soniera's review of the product, the iPhone's X's display differs from a typical Samsung display, in just a few ways, in calibration, display brightness, for instance. There is much else out here to suggests that Apple's display is any different in fundamental ways -- or as buddy FRR claims, Apple "designed" it. Further, the AMOLED making is mostly about material science and process engineering, not IC designs that you associate with the Axx series APs or other micro controllers. The IC drivers while important has an incredibly small role in such display tech.

If it's up to me to prove they provided more than specs, it's up to you to prove they didn't. That was my opinion. Nobody except the parties involved at the respective company's know how far the deep dive into "specs" and "design" went. They may not have designed the chemicals processes that went into each pixel, but I think (or imo) the answer lies between a total design of the entire panel and IC circuitry that drives it and sending a requirements sheet to Samsung.

 

[tooltalk]

If it's up to me to prove they provided more than specs, it's up to you to prove they didn't. That was my opinion. Nobody except the parties involved at the respective company's know how far the deep dive into "specs" and "design" went. They may not have designed the chemicals processes that went into each pixel, but I think (or imo) the answer lies between a total design of the entire panel and IC circuitry that drives it and sending a requirements sheet to Samsung.

Sure, the logical fallacy you are employing here is called Appeal to Ignorance -- your argument that the iPhone X display is custom "designed" by Apple is credible because there is no evidence to contradict that claim. Please go back and read the review by Dr. Soniera where he points out a few minor differences between Samsung's Super AMOLED display and Apple's. What is "generally agreed" -- to borrow your words -- here is that the new iPhone displays are more or less in its entirety "designed" and manufactured by Samsung with a few tweaks for Apple. Dr. Soniera's review likewise shows what those tweaks are. You have yet to bring up anything to show how you came with the conclusion/inference that Apple "designed" their display.

 

[I7guy]

Sure, the logical fallacy you are employing here is called Appeal to Ignorance -- your argument that the iPhone X display is custom "designed" by Apple is credible because there is no evidence to contradict that claim. Please go back and read the review by Dr. Soniera where he points out a few minor differences between Samsung's Super AMOLED display and Apple's. What is "generally agreed" -- to borrow your words -- here is that the new iPhone displays are more or less in its entirety "designed" and manufactured by Samsung with a few tweaks for Apple. Dr. Soniera's review likewise shows what those tweaks are. You have yet to bring up anything to show how you came with the conclusion/inference that Apple "designed" their display.

In the vein that I am employing appeal to ignorance, you are employing correlation proves causation. And by the way, nobody is doubting Samsung is the manufacturer.

 

[sunlit]

But I thought there was no way it could be any better than a Samsung display because Samsung supplies it?!

Yes it can be better, since Samsung uses Android that has zero color management, and cannot display wide color pics properly

 

[Bacillus]

Next newsitem:
InductionMate: "Apple has the safest wireless charging infrastructure"

Developed by Samsung, but underdimensioned to be the slowest ehhh... safest charging option on the planet. Because we're not the first getting your battery filled up. Actually we have been spending 5 years to develop the best solution - even then w/o a charging station - which demonstrates how extreme our requirements must be.

 

[Krevnik]

In the vein that I am employing appeal to ignorance, you are employing correlation proves causation.

That seems like a bit of a leap to argue, IMO. There's no correlation in the argument, being the biggest hole in your statement.

However, two things are true here:
1) Without direct evidence, we can only speculate. And we have no direct evidence of either claim.
2) We do have a decent amount of historical evidence on the behaviors of Apple and Samsung here that we can use to educate our speculation.

We know that Apple historically has bought panels, not designed them. We also know that Apple has a very good color management system in ColorSync, and has worked on custom drivers for displays like the iMac 5K. We also know that Samsung designs and manufactures this style of OLED display, and has for a while. They are not new at this, and it wouldn't be hard for them to provide the panel used without Apple's input.

From the TV realm, it's also known that you can have 3 different TV makers use the exact same OLED panels and wind up with different results in terms of picture quality, and color accuracy. Color management is important for getting good color accuracy, for example. So more than just the panel itself determines the final result. And displays for TVs, computer monitors and smartphones are similar enough that it makes for a good analogue here.

From that information, we can apply Occam's Razor if we like: The simplest answer that can explain the available evidence is most likely the correct one. One way to measure complexity is the number of assumptions we must make in addition to the evidence we have in order for a claim or explanation to be true. So let's do that.

Your claim that Apple designed it requires one assumption: That Apple is now designing display panels, something they haven't done before, and we have no evidence for.

The claim that this is Samsung's panel, made to order, requires zero assumptions. The evidence based on what we know of both Samsung and Apple, along with what we see in the 2017 LG OLED panels that power 3 different brands of TV, is enough to explain how the iPhone X's OLED can beat the OLED in the Samsung S8+, in terms of DisplayMate's metrics.

That makes the claim that Apple designed their own OLED panels harder to prove. It requires that the assumption be satisfied by evidence. That Apple is just using Samsung's OLED as-is, is just simply more likely an explanation because it requires no assumptions to satisfy the evidence.

 

[I7guy]

That seems like a bit of a leap to argue, IMO. There's no correlation in the argument, being the biggest hole in your statement.

However, two things are true here:
1) Without direct evidence, we can only speculate. And we have no direct evidence of either claim.
2) We do have a decent amount of historical evidence on the behaviors of Apple and Samsung here that we can use to educate our speculation.

We know that Apple historically has bought panels, not designed them. We also know that Apple has a very good color management system in ColorSync, and has worked on custom drivers for displays like the iMac 5K. We also know that Samsung designs and manufactures this style of OLED display, and has for a while. They are not new at this, and it wouldn't be hard for them to provide the panel used without Apple's input.

From the TV realm, it's also known that you can have 3 different TV makers use the exact same OLED panels and wind up with different results in terms of picture quality, and color accuracy. Color management is important for getting good color accuracy, for example. So more than just the panel itself determines the final result. And displays for TVs, computer monitors and smartphones are similar enough that it makes for a good analogue here.

From that information, we can apply Occam's Razor if we like: The simplest answer that can explain the available evidence is most likely the correct one. One way to measure complexity is the number of assumptions we must make in addition to the evidence we have in order for a claim or explanation to be true. So let's do that.

Your claim that Apple designed it requires one assumption: That Apple is now designing display panels, something they haven't done before, and we have no evidence for.

The claim that this is Samsung's panel, made to order, requires zero assumptions. The evidence based on what we know of both Samsung and Apple, along with what we see in the 2017 LG OLED panels that power 3 different brands of TV, is enough to explain how the iPhone X's OLED can beat the OLED in the Samsung S8+, in terms of DisplayMate's metrics.

That makes the claim that Apple designed their own OLED panels harder to prove. It requires that the assumption be satisfied by evidence. That Apple is just using Samsung's OLED as-is, is just simply more likely an explanation because it requires no assumptions to satisfy the evidence.

Nice post. An educated guess though as educated as it is; doesn’t equate to fact and proof.

 

[Bacillus]

The iOS Notification System demonstrates how Apple keeps developing things itself with sophistication in mind, without necessarily guaranteeing competitive advantage.

 

[I7guy]

The iOS Notification System demonstrates how Apple keeps developing things itself with sophistication in mind, without necessarily guaranteeing competitive advantage.

How so? It works nicely for me.

 

[Looney01]

That seems like a bit of a leap to argue, IMO. There's no correlation in the argument, being the biggest hole in your statement.

However, two things are true here:
1) Without direct evidence, we can only speculate. And we have no direct evidence of either claim.
2) We do have a decent amount of historical evidence on the behaviors of Apple and Samsung here that we can use to educate our speculation.

We know that Apple historically has bought panels, not designed them. We also know that Apple has a very good color management system in ColorSync, and has worked on custom drivers for displays like the iMac 5K. We also know that Samsung designs and manufactures this style of OLED display, and has for a while. They are not new at this, and it wouldn't be hard for them to provide the panel used without Apple's input.

From the TV realm, it's also known that you can have 3 different TV makers use the exact same OLED panels and wind up with different results in terms of picture quality, and color accuracy. Color management is important for getting good color accuracy, for example. So more than just the panel itself determines the final result. And displays for TVs, computer monitors and smartphones are similar enough that it makes for a good analogue here.

From that information, we can apply Occam's Razor if we like: The simplest answer that can explain the available evidence is most likely the correct one. One way to measure complexity is the number of assumptions we must make in addition to the evidence we have in order for a claim or explanation to be true. So let's do that.

Your claim that Apple designed it requires one assumption: That Apple is now designing display panels, something they haven't done before, and we have no evidence for.

The claim that this is Samsung's panel, made to order, requires zero assumptions. The evidence based on what we know of both Samsung and Apple, along with what we see in the 2017 LG OLED panels that power 3 different brands of TV, is enough to explain how the iPhone X's OLED can beat the OLED in the Samsung S8+, in terms of DisplayMate's metrics.

That makes the claim that Apple designed their own OLED panels harder to prove. It requires that the assumption be satisfied by evidence. That Apple is just using Samsung's OLED as-is, is just simply more likely an explanation because it requires no assumptions to satisfy the evidence.

Again, everything you have written is purely speculation. You have no idea if Apple in fact do have a team that actually sits and designs the display, perhaps even manufactured a prototype. Apple does not have the resources and capability to mass manufacture and therefore Samsung would have to do it. But you and everyone else, myself included have absolutely no clue what goes behind the scenes and therefore we cannot prove one way or the other. What we can prove is that according to DisplayMate, the iPhone X has the superior display this time around and I sure as hell expect that to change when the next Samsung S is released. At the end of the day, who gives a fsck. What’s important here is that with each and every new phone, technology progresses. It’s a win for the consumer at the end of the day. So seriously, who cares whether Apple or Samsung designed the Display. If you have an X, sit back and enjoy your phone because it’s the best phone in your eyes and in turn, if you have a S8 or Note 8 then sit back and enjoy your phone because it’s the best phone in your eyes.