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I have heard the same things, but it doubt the validity of these studies for a few reasons:
1. What empirical evidence is there for determining whether some was distracted by a phone conversation when they were driving at the time of the accident?
2. why is it acceptable to be distracted, even if it isn't to the extent of using a phone while driving, by someone in the car next to you?
3. (This may sound obtuse, but please play along...). What if it was determined that playing Huey Lewis and the News' songs backwards made accidents reduced by 60%, should everyone be forced to buy and listen to them while driving?

Might want to take a look at the teens in this video. And keep in mind these teens KNEW they had a camera in the car, and still drove distracted.

AAA analysed 1700 videos and found distraction to be a factor in 60% of cases, four times higher than the police estimates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3MlUA0qkiQ
 
Frankly, I agree it's not fair sometimes. I don't think women should be able to tease like that, willingly go 90% of the way and get a free pass when they change their mind later when they're not drunk anymore and disappointed in their decision. BUT, if there's any hesitation on her part like you describe, the guy MUST stop, even if only to protect himself from being accused of rape later. How would you like it if you went shopping for a car, took the test drive, negotiated the deal, have your credit checked and are at the desk to sign the contract but think again and decide not to do it but the sales guy says "too bad, we're too close to doing it and you're not going to waste my time so you're too committed to buying the car now to back out. I'm taking your money and you have nothing to say about it". Is that fair?

Bottom line is, don't get so drunk you don't have control of what you do. That goes for everyone.

We're a bit off subject, but in the example described by bbeagle there is no rape because the woman did not clearly express non-consent. Mere hesitation or the expression of doubt doesn't do it. Put differently, for a crime to be committed, there must be a culpable state of mind on the part of the defendant. Absent that, it's just sex. As an example, a woman couldn't communicate her non-consent in a language not spoken by the man (unless he had other reason to know, for example by her physical conduct). Fortunately for her, most languages have something pretty close to "no."

The "if only to protect himself" part of your argument gets into a different issue -- namely, that the parties don't always agree as to the facts themselves. Thus, as practical advice, it's a good idea for men to be mindful of what the woman wants (not just what she has communicated) because her purported expression of non-consent will sound stronger coming from her, and juries are constrained to do the best they can with conflicting versions of the facts. But that is a factual issue, not a legal one.
 
Come on, people! This isn't a new problem. Smart watches have been available for quite a few years now and Apple is only the latest version (and not necessarily the best). Driver distraction is driver distraction, regardless of the origin of the distraction. We don't need a specific law about every possible distraction. What about people who drive with a baby in a carrier in the back seat? Do we have a specific law about that distraction? What about male drivers with their wife or girlfriend wearing a short skirt in the passenger seat? Do we have a law about *that* distraction?

What a stupid comparison. How old are you? 12?
No, driver distraction is not driver distraction, it really depends on the origin of the distraction.
Comparing a baby carrier to handling a smart watch or phone is plain stupid.
 
So, if a driver kills your kids while operating his smartphone, the fact that he is fined will make you feel better ? Maybe, even, it will resurrect your kid ?

Anyway, you're not inventing anything. This is already the case. If you lost control of your vehicle because of your actions or lack of actions, this is already taken into account by the judge as aggravating circumstances. And this has never prevented people from doing that. They just all think they will be fine since they're excellent drivers...

That would be vehicular manslaughter and that driver would be in jail for some time. I'm talking about non-criminal incidents (fender benders, etc). There needs to be additional fines in place. This is NOT the case now.
 
Apple should have built in a way to have the motion detector sense car movement and block the use of the crown.

So, the passengers are not allowed to use their watches ? And you're not allowed to use your watch when you're in a taxi, public transport, train or whatever ?

People should just be responsible for their acts. If they are caught doing dangerous while driving, they should have a huge fine (based on their income) and lose their driving licence.
 
More distracting

The watch is even more distracting than a phone. It is possible to operate a phone with one hand but performing an operation on a smart watch requires both hands to be engaged. :eek:
 
May be if you are caught more than once for distracted driving, you should be forced to get a car with once of these to help curb your distractions.

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Not really different. If I'm turning the knob on the radio to dial in a different station, I have to look at the screen. If I'm just changing the volume, I don't. When I turn the knob to change where the heated air is coming out, I have to look at the knob. If I'm just scrolling to see the end of a notification on the watch, I just have to roll the crown without looking and look again at the screen. But most of the notifications probably won't need scrolling because I'll be more interested at the top where it says who it's from. People shouldn't be doing anything more complex than that with the watch while driving anyway. Answering a call doesn't require scrolling. A quick tap to reply to a text with the canned reply "I'm driving now" won't take scrolling. People just have to use common sense. I know a lot of people don't have common sense but a law won't help with that.

Most cars are built so you can adjust without looking. I can adjust the volume, station, track, temperature, fan speed etc without looking as I know where the buttons are.

People shouldn't be doing ANYTHING with the Apple Watch while driving. Every interaction requires looking at the screen, thus taking your eyes off the road. Nobody's call/text/tweet/Facebook post is important enough to justify increasing the risk of killing others on the road. If you need to be contacted pull over.

I am sick to death of people on devices in cars. I catch the bus a lot, and thats when I see it all, so many people who think their own communication is more important than the safety of others.

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So, the passengers are not allowed to use their watches ? And you're not allowed to use your watch when you're in a taxi, public transport, train or whatever ?

People should just be responsible for their acts. If they are caught doing dangerous while driving, they should have a huge fine (based on their income) and lose their driving licence.

People should be responsible but they're not, so something needs to be done to stop people being dangerous. I just don't know what it is.
 
...distracted driving is distracted driving. Cell phones and texting are an easy target because they are visible and obvious...make-up, reading a newspaper, turning to the back seat for a kid...all distracted driving. No new laws are needed even for texting or cell phones...the existing statutes can be used. ANYTHING that takes your attention from your primary duty...driving...is a distraction and can/should be cited...

You...may...have...had...a...good...point...but...I...was...distracted...by...the...ellipses...

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Just don't.

Could you be a bit more cryptic?

Many thanks.
 
Your letter must have had some impact because on our route to school there's now one of those temporary digitally lit signs that proclaims something like "it's not worth your life to text while driving" or something like that. I didn't really read it because I never text or phone while driving and the sign being on the side of the road was actually kind of distracting! :rolleyes:

Where in MD did you see that sign?
 
This is the strange logic I never get.

A girl is inebriated, all over a guy, asks for sex, gets it, then claims later she was raped, because she was drinking and couldn't control herself. The GUY needs to do time for this - EVEN IF HE WAS DRUNK TOO.

So, the GUY needs to control himself while drunk, but not the GIRL.

Then a GIRL gets behind a car drunk and crashes - SHE is responsible for it. But if she can't control herself in one instance, why can she in the other?

It's all confusing the way the law works.

Wow! Just plain Wow. :eek:
 
The watch is even more distracting than a phone. It is possible to operate a phone with one hand but performing an operation on a smart watch requires both hands to be engaged. :eek:

Not true. The watch hand is still holding the wheel just fine. You can't do anything on the watch with the hand it's next to. Physically impossible.

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Might want to take a look at the teens in this video. And keep in mind these teens KNEW they had a camera in the car, and still drove distracted.

AAA analysed 1700 videos and found distraction to be a factor in 60% of cases, four times higher than the police estimates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3MlUA0qkiQ

Obviously teens are too immature to have a gadget in the car AND many states don't allow them to have other kids in the car either because THAT'S too distracting for them. Make a law for teens then but leave adults alone to be responsible.
 
Fear monger away boys!

As much as I dislike politicians enacting 500 new laws to restrict the use of new technology…. this is a valid debate. It's not just fear mongering. People will actually end up dying because of distractions from smartwatches (and don't just single out Apple, because Samsung already boasting they have many sold already).
 
haha... hilarious...

just because u no longer have BOTH hands on the wheel, because your looking at your watch, how simple minded can u get ?

You are not keeping your eyes up.

yes up. (and btw, who knows what else your looking at down there., but this is a family forum :D)

Just insert the words "Apple watch" into the law and you'll be good
 
You only have to show that people crash more often (or come close to crashing) when having a phone conversation compared to not having a phone conversation. You mostly cannot prove things 100% for a given accident as one cannot prove that the accident would not have happened without the phone conversation but if people crash more often in a simulator while being on the phone compared to not being on phone than it is obvious that being on the phone increases the risk.


It is all about what risk level is considered acceptable and how much outlawing something would 'inconvenience' people, about being proportionate. In addition, rules shouldn't be too specific or detailed, for once because the more specific a rule is, the smaller the data base is it is based on (and thus less reliable). It also makes it harder for people to obey the rules and it makes it harder to enforce it. It also makes it more likely to be out-of-date. A related aspect is general enforceability.

So to summarize:
- rules have to be proportionate to the risk and the 'inconvenience' they cause
- rule should not be very specific or detailed

In your examples, (2) is something which has a lower risk than talking on the phone and outlawing it would be considered to cause more 'inconvenience' than outlawing the use of the phone. (3) is way too specific (a: it is extremely unlikely that a single song has that effect but others don't and thus is almost certainly a rule with an extremely low 'cost'-effectiveness, b: has a very high 'inconvenience' factor.

The 'inconvenience' factor is to a significant degree subjective and is partly also based on a subjective risk assessment but it underlies lots of legal rules.

Those are good arguments for the case of outlawing an activity, and if the goal is to make us all safe(r), then that should be the course of action.

On the risk analysis, I'm with you. Texting while driving is far too risky, and the phone companies and the radio ads are making it socially unacceptable to do this. (I once saw a guy texting while driving a scooter. I think Darwin will take care of him...) Drinking alcohol and driving are dangerous, and the risk is too high for acceptability. In the early 80's, there was a social effort to make driving drunk "not cool", and the designated driver movement was born. Drunk driving was already illegal; making it un-cool was what really turned the tide on that.

However, if there is disagreement between us, I'd put it at where the line is, and have handsfree acceptable, and held to head (I do pull over... having an iPhone 6+ against my head and trying to drive is, well, difficult for me...) as a contributing factor in being pulled over, and not a direct factor. Hey, if someone can drive with a phone to their head, go for it.

The item 3 (and I did preface it as an extreme - thank you for reading it that way, was a way to show that there are limits to what we'll do for "safety" and reasonable legislative action. But heck, I may start back masking my Sports album... :D

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My state has a law against texting, not just a distracted driver law but one that specifically and explicitly prohibits smart phone usage while driving. I can safely say this law has zero impact on people's habits, I continually see people text and drive on major highways, surface roads and city roads. Nothing is changed and even if a law is passed for smart watches it won't do anything.

You cannot legislate common sense (to murder a George Washington quote).

Does that include
Jeff: "Hey Siri, Send text message to Mrs. thequick!"
Siri: "What would you like to say to Mrs. thequick?"
Jeffy: "I love you and I'll be home after I get out of jail for voice texting you."

(Yes, I know that people don't go to jail for texting... or do they?)
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/02/01/texting-while-driving-could-lead-to-jail-time-in-va/
 
hehe.

Of course when self driving cars come in all these laws that prohibit us from distractions will be now "legal" .... so kids can now run a muck and be happy with their gameboys.

And currently, for the times Siri may not understand you, or even work on the Apple watch...?? Well,,, its too late. Distractions already..

We have enough crashes on our roads.... "The watch" will only only set us up for more.
 
I'm not sure on the laws that exist, but can't you be ticketed or charged for doing anything while driving that causes a distraction.

I remember an article a few months ago about a man getting a ticket for eating a cheeseburger. Now in that case he wasn't actually driving dangerously the cop was just a prick. However, at least in that area the cop is allowed to ticket people who drive distracted no matter what it is that is distracting them.

I believe this is how it should be, if it already is then it needs to be enforced more ( I would imagine it's hard to do though). Anything that you do besides driving can cause you to drive recklessly, swerving all over and just not paying attention.
 
The watch is even more distracting than a phone. It is possible to operate a phone with one hand but performing an operation on a smart watch requires both hands to be engaged.

Not true. The watch hand is still holding the wheel just fine. You can't do anything on the watch with the hand it's next to. Physically impossible.

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Try it please. Keep your watch hand "still holding the wheel" and use the other hand to do anything at all with the watch. Then let us know how well you can control your crash. Sheesh. :eek:
 
Arizona didn't feel the need to name specific device types or activities in it's distracted driving law.
They left that up to the individual officer to determine if your activity is hazardous to the public safety.

If a police officer determines your activities are distracting you from operating your vehicle in a safe manner, the will issue you a "Distracted Driving" citation.

28-913. Distracted driving A. A person shall not operate a motor vehicle on a highway while the person is distracted in any manner.
B. A law enforcement officer may issue a citation to a person for a violation of this section if the officer believes the distracted driving is hazardous to public safety.
 
You're an accident waiting to happen with that attitude. You must be very young to overestimate your skills that way and I hope no one else gets hurt when you learn your lesson.

actually ive been driving before cell phones were invented. you must belong to the latter - those who cannot multitask. who changes the radio station for you?

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driving and texting is the easiest thing....theres a bunch of stupid people that cant multi task jacking people up.

thank you.
 
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