I'm getting seriously bored with people saying that the Xbox is a next generation console. hardly next gen the fact that you have to buy an add on box that links up over usb just to play back HD-DVD (which is looming to become a dead format, need some reasoning why?) well the xbox 360 cannot handle any of the next gen audio formats, it's all good that it can play 1080p now, only because of the Elite edition with HDMI, not gay VGA, who uses that for a digital picture?!?!?! but where the hell is DTS master audio, something still supported by the PS3. then there's people talking **** about its great use as in a cinema setup as a media extender. so you got 2 boxes (which wont match if you got the elite, well done clean loving one box solution microsoft), tonnes of cabling, HD-DVD which doesn't support any HD future formats atm which to me is ridiculous as a 1080p picture is half the story. hence blu ray will win, more space, more uncompressed audio. and then there's the games machine, yes loads of games, yes its been around longer. yeap 2 years older. older hardware than ps3. considering the ps3 comes with everything built in as standard in one box, with wifi/blu ray/ hd audio formats/ 1.3a HDMI output/ upscaling of dvd's, plus PVR capabilities in the new year, and is now cheaper than the xbox 360 (if you included the xbox with wifi enabler £55, HD-DVD drive £120) so £300 for ps3, over £400 for xbox with all trimmings, that's cheap. Now there's the apple TV, a rubbish half thought about idea. Just use your computer in the lounge, any formats, digital picture/sound as standard, upscaling dvd's divx/xvid/mkv all playable under VLC. sorted. PS3 with a reciever (onkyo HQV one) 42inch 1080p TV. mac mini, what an easy futureproof setup.