You seem to intend to compare Apple, a company known for iconic design and good usability to a fast food company with low quality. Why? What are you trying to proof?
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You seem to intend to compare Apple, a company known for iconic design and good usability to a fast food company with low quality. Why? What are you trying to proof?
Hmm, it's all about validity of arguments, not about specific products, brands or companies. So what I "proof" is that the argument that high sales figures must mean high quality is at best very naive.
Ever heard the term "lowest common denominator"? Although used mostly derogatory (at least in my part of the world), it means you can get much higher sales figures (or many more viewers/readers for example) if well implemented. It means that people who aren't just being mindless sheep think about what they get, instead of just buying into something (doesn't have to be computers – it could be American Idol, for all I care), just because "everyone else is buying it" (or viewing it, as it were).
you guys mean "Prove" right... or show some Proof!
aah... the education system in the US is hmmm.....waiting for an update like the MBP.
as George W Bush said in his speech about education... " the childrens are Gooder"
aah... the education system in the US is hmmm.....waiting for an update like the MBP.as George W Bush said in his speech about education... " the childrens are Gooder"
Here are the facts
TOPIC: do all apple computers have issues?
SHORT ANSWER, fact: NO.
LONG ANSWER, fact:
- MOST Apple products have no issues.
- Like any manufacturing process, a SMALL percentage might have defects.
- Apple fixes any defects under warranty, Apple products comes with 1 year all labor/parts covered.
Note that satisfaction with Apple is the best in the industry.
TOPIC: do all apple computers have issues?
SHORT ANSWER, fact: NO.
LONG ANSWER, fact:
- MOST Apple products have no issues.
- Like any manufacturing process, a SMALL percentage might have defects.
- Apple fixes any defects under warranty, Apple products comes with 1 year all labor/parts covered.
Note that satisfaction with Apple is the best in the industry.
LOL, what an argument
"all boats have issues", so you might as well buy one made of plaster, instead of Lloyd's specced?
"all cars have issues", so you might as well buy one that rusts within a year, breaks down on a regular basis etc?
Why do people insist putting forth such horrendously inane pseudo-arguments?
Let's see:
Powerbook 150c - No problems.
iMac 233 - No problems. Although playing Rainbow Six and other games could cause it to crash.
Titanium Powerbook - No mechanical problems, however the paint on the frame started to flake away after a year of use. However, Apple replaced almost the entire case.
12" Powerbook - No problems at all. Wife dropped it on corner and while she dented the case, it still works flawlessly.
MacBook Pro - No problems at all.
Original 10GB iPod - No problems until the battery finally flaked out.
iPod Mini - Scratched and well-worn, but alive.
iPod Shuffle - Fine.
iPod Shuffle (RED) - Fine.
iPod 5G - Worked great until HD failed. Apple replaced it for free. Then I sold it to buy an iPhone.
iPhone 4GB - Continues to work even after multiple jailbreaks, fiddling.
I have run into problems with other people's iBooks (bad logic board), but I've been very happy with numerous Apple products and software. I think there's a set of earphones, a couple of mice, and a few other odds and ends, and I can't think of one thing that has failed in any substantial way.
Powerbook 150c - No problems.
iMac 233 - No problems. Although playing Rainbow Six and other games could cause it to crash.
Titanium Powerbook - No mechanical problems, however the paint on the frame started to flake away after a year of use. However, Apple replaced almost the entire case.
12" Powerbook - No problems at all. Wife dropped it on corner and while she dented the case, it still works flawlessly.
MacBook Pro - No problems at all.
Original 10GB iPod - No problems until the battery finally flaked out.
iPod Mini - Scratched and well-worn, but alive.
iPod Shuffle - Fine.
iPod Shuffle (RED) - Fine.
iPod 5G - Worked great until HD failed. Apple replaced it for free. Then I sold it to buy an iPhone.
iPhone 4GB - Continues to work even after multiple jailbreaks, fiddling.
I have run into problems with other people's iBooks (bad logic board), but I've been very happy with numerous Apple products and software. I think there's a set of earphones, a couple of mice, and a few other odds and ends, and I can't think of one thing that has failed in any substantial way.
Unless someone consistently makes this mistake, it's common courtesy to assume it is a typo or the result of haste rather than a lack of understanding how English grammar operates.
LOL, what an argument
"all boats have issues", so you might as well buy one made of plaster, instead of Lloyd's specced?
"all cars have issues", so you might as well buy one that rusts within a year, breaks down on a regular basis etc?
Why do people insist putting forth such horrendously inane pseudo-arguments?
Well, the comment shows an understanding that computers are highly complex beasts, and since the entire industry suffers some defect excoriating Apple for manufacturing or design problems is distinctly unfair. Cars, even from the most vaunted brand, can have mechanical and design problems. Moreover, there are manufacturing flaws in everything from light-bulbs to magazines.
Apple should attempt for zero-defects, and have a procedure in place to fix or otherwise replace products that do have defects. That's a realistic goal for any company.
you guys mean "Prove" right... or show some Proof!
as George W Bush said in his speech about education... " the childrens are Gooder"
Very true. But if you notice, I use quotation marks around the word, in order to poke a little fun. I actually had to write something a wee bit different from what I otherwise would have, for me to poke a little fun at him.
Had he not made that typo, I would have written "It's not a question of providing proof", but that would have taken the sarcasm out of it, don't you think?
Besides, I'm danish
Very true.
No problems with my one-month iMac. But I do think using forums as a basis for Apple Quality Control is probably not statistically prudent. I love forums and this is a great Mac forum--and a very active one at that. Still my point is that most people--Mac users, PC users, whatever users don't seem to bother with tech forums or most other tech websites to begin with so it would seem that the majority of questions and answers here are from the most well-informed niche of the Mac-buying public. That's a good thing for us--but probably not much use as far as formulating Apple quality control issues.
Not really...i didnt say it was better and they sold more (as you know Macs have a tiny marketshare compared with PC's)
To relate to problems/issues with the product...if coca cola was selling every single can half empty then they probably would out of business. I said nothing to do with being the best.
...My new MBP would not recognize my hard drive at first, and now the screen goes gray and requires a restart after waking from sleep mode. On top of that, the guy at the Genius Bar had no idea what to do, treated me like an idiot and was very rude. I am new to apple but I am not a computer noob for the love of god! I want to know if any of you have had this many issues with your machines / apple.
you obviously have another faultly machine. the gray restart screen is a kernel panic and happens if you have faulty hardware or a software issue. now if youve reinstalled its obviously a hardware issue... usually RAM.
run the Apple hardware test by starting up install disc 1 while holding "D" and
show the Apple Genius the results. i agree you cant just have a brand new MBP with kernel panics and not recognising the HDD.
i myself have had four problems with my MBP core duo; faulty RAM, logic board replaced and 2 batteries replaced (1 after warranty). dont give up until you have a perfectly functioning machine.
and no not all Apple products are faulty. you only ever hear of the problems around here and Apple stores because people are more vocal about problems than satisfied users. think about all the PC problems in the world because of the thousands of different types of configurations running Windows. thats a problem waiting to happen.
Hmm, You and me both were talking about (a downfall in) quality, not about not delivering the products specced as promised. If you really want to go with that argument, now you're inferring that I somehow argue that Apple delivers under-specced (for instance half the HD space as advertised, half the processor-speed or half the resolution or RAM). I'm not.
People, including you, are trying to argue that Apple cannot have a rising problem with falling quality, because if they did, they would be in trouble. That argument simple doesn't work. At best it's a rhetorical strawman. At worst it's a naive lemming-mentality.
Well, I've had 6 Macbook Pros from the Apple Online Store so far but only ordered two - go figure... Was stupid enough to buy one when they first came out. Was exchanged twice until I asked for a refund. Bought one in a local mall and had no trouble with that.
A month ago, I decided to replace the old one with a new model. Sure enough, the first one I got was broken again (apple diagnostics tool said something about a hardware error - fan wouldn't turn on and as a consequence the mbp would constantly overheat.) Waited two weeks for the replacement - which, again, was defective. Constant freezes and crashes under both Windows and OS X. I'm on my third now, which seems to work so far (knock on wood).
It seems to me that Apple still isn't able to force quality control on their Chinese manufacturing plants. My advice: buy the MBP in a store so if it causes you trouble you don't have to constantly mail it in.
However, it's worth the trouble - they're absolutely fantastic machines once you have a working model...
peter
A month ago, I decided to replace the old one with a new model. Sure enough, the first one I got was broken again (apple diagnostics tool said something about a hardware error - fan wouldn't turn on and as a consequence the mbp would constantly overheat.) Waited two weeks for the replacement - which, again, was defective. Constant freezes and crashes under both Windows and OS X. I'm on my third now, which seems to work so far (knock on wood).
It seems to me that Apple still isn't able to force quality control on their Chinese manufacturing plants. My advice: buy the MBP in a store so if it causes you trouble you don't have to constantly mail it in.
However, it's worth the trouble - they're absolutely fantastic machines once you have a working model...
peter
Newbie here - how did you know you had a warped battery? I just received my brand new macbook today - after they made me wait two and a half weeks for it!
Here's a (crap) picture of a warped battery – it's sometimes worse, sometimes not as much:
http://www.appledefects.com/?p=230
The straight answer to your question (do all Apple Computers have issues?) is: No.
I have owned many Apple products and computers over the years and have not had a single problem with any of them. I had a hard drive begin to fail but that was after 6 years of heavy use...which would be completely normal for any hard drive.
I have owned many Apple products and computers over the years and have not had a single problem with any of them. I had a hard drive begin to fail but that was after 6 years of heavy use...which would be completely normal for any hard drive.