Do iWork apps support dark mode currently?

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  1. matankai macrumors newbie

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    Meaning, is dark mode applied at the system level to all apps using native UI elements, or does it still require the dev to update/enable?
     
  2. cambookpro macrumors 603

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    Nope, it requires the dev to update their app - no extra work is really required if you're using standard UI elements, but I presume it's a precautionary measure in case there are any contrast issues with the colours used in the apps.
     
  3. matankai thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Got it. Thank you!
     
  4. MacGizmo macrumors 65816

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    Unfortunately, Apple's apps and small but profitable utilities will likely be the only apps that take advantage of Dark Mode for quite a while. I can't see apps like MS Office and any of Adobe's apps being re-written to use Apple's UI elements just for Dark Mode (though Adobe apps already have their own "dark themes" that are similar).
     
  5. Cougarcat macrumors 604

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    It’s really not a lot of work. If they bothered with Touchbar support they’ll do it.
     
  6. Internet Enzyme macrumors 6502a

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    What I wonder is how they would do that with Pages . . .
     
  7. Cougarcat macrumors 604

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    Either only the chrome will be dark or they’ll add an option, like in Mail. I expect they won’t do that because the point of Pages is you see what you get.
     
  8. fisherking macrumors 603

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    the Mail app is an interesting example of why this doesn't work; am typing white text on a dark background, but that's not what my recipient sees (unless they're on the mojave beta running dark mode). i guess the idea is that... the text, the content is the thing, and color is irrelevant.

    so... not sure it makes sense there, and definitely sure it would be pointless in Pages (am giving it some time in Mail)...
     
  9. borgranta macrumors 6502

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    If you print an email will it print black text a white background or white text on a black background
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    Perhaps they should ad an option to send the email in dark mode in which case the white text would stand out on the black background.
     
  10. fisherking macrumors 603

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    1. email will print white, only the Mail interface shows white text on a dark background.

    2. that's more a condition of the recipient's program; all we're really doing is typing text; it's not a graphics app.

    EDIT: it would be pretty horrible to default to white text on a dark background; a printer would be wasting a phenomenal amount of ink to cover a white piece of paper!
     
  11. Internet Enzyme macrumors 6502a

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    I figure they'll just update the surrounding toolbar and formatting elements to work in dark mode. Of course. But I feel like that will be kind of jarring. Seems like an app that doesnt really work in dark mode
     
  12. mixel macrumors 68000

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    Dark UI but a white page makes sense and is how it would have to work. You’re still laying out text on a white piece of paper. I don’t think that’s at all jarring?

    A text editor on the other hand, like text wrangler, BBEdit etc should fully support light text in dark mode (if they don’t already?) because that’s not emulating a white sheet and has no reason to pretend to be such.

    Likewise with mail, I’m glad it’s light text on dark there - until you get html based emails that specify otherwise.
     
  13. dsemf macrumors 6502

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    For Mail, I turn off the View preference Use dark backgrounds for messages. For me, this focuses the attention on the message. Everything else is dark and fades into the background.

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  14. redheeler macrumors 604

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    With Rich Text Format (RTF) editors such as Text Edit where you can manually specify a text color, it makes sense to maintain a white background for consistency, in case the text color has been set to black or a dark color where a white background is presumed. For plain text or code editors, it really doesn't matter.

    BBEdit already has a dark mode option.
     
  15. Marc Evans macrumors newbie

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    I genuinely would like someone to explain the fascination they have with dark mode? It's actually counter to the way human's brains work and takes more effort on the part of the brain to process light text on a dark background.

    If "dark mode" were natural, we would have started writing on black paper with chalk in school. Even the old dark chalkboards got replaced with whiteboards because that's how humans receive visual data best.

    Sigh.

    I'll go out on a limb and predict that "dark mode" doesn't survive two OS releases and whoever dreamed it up won't work at Apple by the time it fades into oblivion.
     
  16. fisherking macrumors 603

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    making things up doesn't accomplish much. "counter to the way human's brains work"? it's an aesthetic call, and... works for some of us. i mean, i've been reading white-on-black on my iphone (and ipod touch, and palm organizers) for years... and prefer it. i like dark mode, find it... soothing, warmer. but that's just me.

    if it's not for you, that's fine. but no need to pretend yours is the superior viewpoint; it's just one point-of-view, in a world where there are many.
     
  17. MacGizmo macrumors 65816

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    Lots and lots of people like the aesthetic. Why is that so difficult to understand? Lots of people prefer black cars, despite the numerous inarguable problems with them (paint fade, higher heat retention, pain in the ass to keep clean, etc.)

    You have scientific evidence to support that? I don't mean a link to one or two studies... I mean overwhelming proof that every last person on the planet has a difficult time reading or even looking at light text on dark backgrounds.

    We started out on black slate chalkboards, replaced them with black & dark green synthetic chalkboards because they were cheaper. We then replaced those with whiteboards because they were cleaner, and cheaper to produce (along with the markers that were also cheaper to produce and lasted longer than chalk). Whiteboards had nothing to do with data retention of the brain.

    You apparently don't know much about Apple and their OS history. Not only is it not going away (probably ever), but it's probably going to be the default within two to three releases. It's already in the next release, so you're already half-way to losing your bet.
     
  18. Mr Todhunter macrumors regular

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    Listen MacGismo, you are talking about aesthetics while the guy is talking ERGONOMICS. A huge difference that
    Sir Jonathan Paul Ive seems unable to comprehend
     
  19. flyinmac macrumors 68040

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    Introducing ADM Paper.... the latest innovation from Apple. “Apple Dark Mode Paper”

    It’ll come in Black... and require your printer to support Apple’s patented ADM technology available to printer manufactures under an “reasonable” license fee that adds a “modest” price increase to be distributed with the “Made for ADM” logo.
     
  20. fisherking macrumors 603

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    is this a sarcastic post? because it's hard to tell...
     
  21. Mr Todhunter macrumors regular

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    No, not my intention to be sarcastic. I really believe MacGismo misunderstood what Marc Evans was saying.
     
  22. fisherking macrumors 603

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    they're expressing opinions (marc evans, for example). and all of it is worth discussion, as long as we understand that. perhaps frustrating when people state their opinions as if they were facts...
     
  23. Mr Todhunter macrumors regular

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    True
     
  24. MacGizmo macrumors 65816

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    I was directly addressing his individual points. His post is discussing both aesthetics and ergonomics... and in both cases, he's making the wildly incorrect assumption that his own aesthetic tastes are shared by the majority (they aren't), and trying to justify it with an ergonomic argument (which he himself points out is not shared by an awful lot of people).
     

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