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I meant the editor that the OP mentioned whom you bashed repeatedly. Do you know that person?


How do you know if they dumbed anything down when you've admitted you don't know much about editing software? Everyone I've talked to that was at the NAB demo said the crowd was split about 50/50 between cheers and cautious trepidation. To be honest, I think anyone who is jumping for joy over FCP X doesn't know what they are talking about. Just like I think anyone who is all negative about FCP X doesn't know what they are talking about. It's like declaring a Super Bowl winner the day after the draft.

Sometimes I wonder about people that don't seem to be able to find fault with anything. Maybe it's just my personality type though since I actively seek out potential problems so I can either A) avoid them outright or B) create a contingency plan so if the problem does manifest itself I'll already have a solution waiting in the wings. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.


I'm not a car person so sorry if this is an ignorant question, but are similar type transmissions being used in things like F1 cars or semi-trucks? Is a transmission like that a better choice over a manual in every situation?


Lethal

Ok its obvious you are just trying to be disagreeable. First, no, I don't know the person and I don't need to. The attitude alone is of a person who I do not wish to ever work with since I have worked with people like that in the past and all they tend to do is hinder progress by being stuck in the past and criticizing anything that may make their, and others jobs easier.

Second, I don't know what crowd you saw but watching the NAB video everyone seemed to be happy about it. No where did Apple say they removed any features so I'm not sure where everyone who claims Apple is "dumbing things down" is coming from.

It just seems like there is never anyone who can't do anything but bash nice new features in software that comes out.
 
Ok its obvious you are just trying to be disagreeable. First, no, I don't know the person and I don't need to. The attitude alone is of a person who I do not wish to ever work with since I have worked with people like that in the past and all they tend to do is hinder progress by being stuck in the past and criticizing anything that may make their, and others jobs easier.
I'm not trying to be disagreeable I'm just wondering why you are bashing someone you don't even know based on what a friend of a friend posted on the internet. Also, I still don't know you why keep saying this friend of a friend of the OPs is against change when the person suggests a change to Premiere Pro because that app appears to suit their needs better than what they saw at FCP X's demo. If the person was really stuck in the past don't you think they'd be saying, "Well, I'm just going to keep using FCP 7 until the day I die" and not "I'm going to learn a new program that looks to fit my needs better than the next version of FCP"?
Second, I don't know what crowd you saw but watching the NAB video everyone seemed to be happy about it.
I talked to editors I know that went to the event as well as read multiple first hand accounts. While seeing things like the new wave forms in the timeline or compound clips are cool I'm going to save my unequivocal acceptance of FCP X for after it starts shipping and real editors are using it on real projects. I can't really give any weight to someone's opinion that FCP X is the best thing since sliced bread, or the work of the devil, before anyone has even used it.

No where did Apple say they removed any features so I'm not sure where everyone who claims Apple is "dumbing things down" is coming from.
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But then I said: “I probably would not want to edit a feature film with that application based on the demo I saw tonight.” My statement seemed quite intriguing to this Apple guy. I went on to explain that, of course, there’s so much we don’t know about FCP X that you have to take that statement at face value, more of a generalization based only on what they didn’t show us in the demo.
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Then he asked me a question that really summed up what we saw in FCP X. He asked if I was around for Final Cut Pro 1.0 some 10 years ago? I responded ‘Of course! That finally gave me an Avid at home.” He then asked: “Would you have edited a feature film in Final Cut Pro 1.0?” I probably would not have edited a feature in FCP 1.0
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He said that he thinks of FCP X more like a 1.0 production. “A rebooting of Final Cut Pro” I said. “Exactly” was the response.
I disagree with the people that say "It looks like iMovie, it must be dumbed down" because I don't care all that much if it looks like iMovie as long as it performs like a professional app. On one hand it's nice to hear that all apps should pay attention to ColorSync but on the other hand the magnetic timeline does look like it's designed to hold someone's hand who just shovels media onto the timeline haphazardly and I hope it can be turned off (or that there's an 'alternate' mode or something that, like so much else, they just didn't show).

With the Apple rep saying FCP X should be viewed as a V.1 reboot it would only be logical to assume that it will lack some features that a mature product like FCP 7 would have. Which is why I keep speculating that FCP 7 and FCP X will be support concurrently for a time. Much like how iMovie 6 had some features iMovie '08 did not and both versions were available for a time. Doing a complete rewrite of something as complex as an NLE is a major undertaking and it only makes sense to focus on the core of the app first and then build out features from there. Anyone who was calling for a complete rewrite of FCP but does not expect some bumps in the road during the transitional period was being excessively optimistic, IMO.


It just seems like there is never anyone who can't do anything but bash nice new features in software that comes out.
The software isn't even out yet, so like I keep saying, passing judgement on it (either positively or negatively) is completely pointless. Why do you seem to consider anything but absolute praise bashing? I've mentioned things I'm looking forward to about FCP X as well as things that have me concerned. Editing isn't just my livelihood but my passion so why wouldn't I be critical of the tools I use?


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This argument is pointless. Lethal hasn't even chosen a side :p. Whats the point :D???

Very diplomatic (and correct) answers btw, Lethal :)
 
At this point in time the assumption that FCP X will improve one's professional life is equally as uniformed as the assumption that it will be detrimental to one's professional life.

Given the fact that the code base is finally being dragged kicking and screaming into a more modern incarnation, I think that assumption is not uninformed. Being able to use all of my computer's processing power would have to at least speed things along and improve one's professional life that way.

The version 1 comment is a little more concerning, but arguably, that would still be welcome given that Final Cut Pro 7 could be more accurately described as Final Cut Pro 6.5, in terms of features it added and outstanding bugs and issues it failed to address.

Fact: Any statement that Final Cut would be "dropped" or that the new version is going to be bad or fantastic is, at the very least, hyperbolic, and at worst, speculation of the dumbest kind.

What we don't know far outweighs what we do know.
 
Given the fact that the code base is finally being dragged kicking and screaming into a more modern incarnation, I think that assumption is not uninformed. Being able to use all of my computer's processing power would have to at least speed things along and improve one's professional life that way.
While more raw speed is always welcome it's not the bottom line. If it was everyone would've moved to Sony Vegas years ago. If the software doesn't fit into your workflow it doesn't matter how fast it can render or how much stuff you can toss into the timeline natively. Which is why not everyone moved to Sony Vegas. ;)

Also in my experience reliability typically trumps speed when a choice has to be made between the two. You can accurately budget your time around a slower, but more reliable machine. You can't do the same for a faster but less reliable machine.


Lethal
 
Weird I was asked that at my class Im teaching. Have they got that thing to work as a shuttle pro? I would love that at work :)
I have a Shuttle Pro at work and while I have used it for shuttling my DV player back and forth for ingestion (and it's pretty cool for that) I really haven't been able to fit it into my average workflow (I'm not using FCP for 7 hours 36 minutes a day).

However, I think the "new" FCP interface really lends itself to 'nearly-touch'. You're not going to use a touchscreen all day, an iPad is nearly there but I think we need the keyboard, so the Magic Trackpad will be our next accessory. Less wristy than a mouse.
 
like iMove?

It's an interesting question regarding the imovie look.

LeathalWolf is right, in as much as, if it performs like a pro ap does it matter if looks like move?

Aperture looks like iphoto, superficially, but in use, it performs as an absolute pro-beast, red in tooth and claw.

I suspect FCP X will be much the same.
 
Also in my experience reliability typically trumps speed when a choice has to be made between the two. You can accurately budget your time around a slower, but more reliable machine. You can't do the same for a faster but less reliable machine.
Lethal

Absolutely, but the current incarnation of Final Cut has bugs. Modernizing the codebase would bring more benefits than speed, such as that irritating colorsync thing.
 
Absolutely, but the current incarnation of Final Cut has bugs. Modernizing the codebase would bring more benefits than speed, such as that irritating colorsync thing.
I for one believe that with Apple starting at 64bit is at least a good direction.
There are apps out there that ported and are still buggy as hell.
Autodesk Im calling you out :p

Ill also add Avid. with their track record of failing updates to their current crap, I would sure hope that they do a re-write to 64bit.
 
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