Do the S models get slow?

[Daisy81]

The cripple as much as legally possible to make you upgrade. You can't have well made 'to last' hardware and have it run well forever... Nobody would be upgrading.

I don't think they are intentionally trying to cripple the older devices. Apple is not letting the old devices hold back the new devices. The old devices are lucky to be allowed updates and in such a timely manner. Try buying a Samsung Galaxy phone and waiting for ages to get the new OS version. You might get one when the second new version is released and that is a big if.

I can see myself keeping my work iPhone 5S and personal iPhone 6+ for a number of years still because they work for me. I still have a 3GS that I leave in the car to play music. I rarely touch it but it is still alive and kicking.

 

[nando87]

I don't think they are intentionally trying to cripple the older devices. Apple is not letting the old devices hold back the new devices. The old devices are lucky to be allowed updates and in such a timely manner. Try buying a Samsung Galaxy phone and waiting for ages to get the new OS version. You might get one when the second new version is released and that is a big if.

I can see myself keeping my work iPhone 5S and personal iPhone 6+ for a number of years still because they work for me. I still have a 3GS that I leave in the car to play music. I rarely touch it but it is still alive and kicking.

You're quite naive or blind. If not, why don't they allow to downgrade iOs? If someone wants to keep his iPhone for a long time, the best thing to do is to install the last revision of the iOs which came with the phone and keep it like that, don't upgrade to the next iOs version. All you have to do is to install a new battery after a few years and you're done, you have a fast competent iPhone for half a decade easily.

 

[C DM]

You're quite naive or blind. If not, why don't they allow to downgrade iOs? If someone wants to keep his iPhone for a long time, the best thing to do is to install the last revision of the iOs which came with the phone and keep it like that, don't upgrade to the next iOs version. All you have to do is to install a new battery after a few years and you're done.

There are all kinds of reasons they don't allow for downgrades, with security, fragmentation, and just even support being petty high up there as the top likely ones. It doesn't have to have anything to do with crippling and especially doing so intentionally.

 

[Vanilla35]

You're quite naive or blind. If not, why don't they allow to downgrade iOs?

I was about to post this exact same thing

 

[nando87]

There are all kinds of reasons they don't allow for downgrades, with security, fragmentation, and just even support being petty high up there as the top likely ones. It doesn't have to have anything to do with crippling and especially doing so intentionally.

Fragmentation? Is that apple's concern or the owner's concern? Security? All they have to do is to show you a screen saying you'll be unsupported, like Microsoft does. Why, if you're allowed to have an iPhone 4 without iOs9 but also without security updates (because they could continue to improve its security if they weren't willing to sell you phones), aren't you allowed to have an iPhone 5 without security updates if you want? The fact is AAPL wants you to upgrade your iOs always, and never come back, because they know that eventually it will get unusable, and then if you could go back to your original iOs you wouldn't have to buy another phone. Because that's what they do, sell phones.

 

[Vanilla35]

There are all kinds of reasons they don't allow for downgrades, with security, fragmentation, and just even support being petty high up there as the top likely ones. It doesn't have to have anything to do with crippling and especially doing so intentionally.

This is also a very valid defense for apple's reasoning, and likely a very true one - however, considering how apple pre-loads iOS updates onto your phone, and doesn't allow you to downgrade after, I suspect behavior that persuades people to upgrade, and whether that be under malicious intent to cripple devices or not, it is intentional.

Also, the defense of saying they are "lucky" enough to allow older devices to upgrade is complete malarkey. It is basically admitting to the fact that there is no definitive reason to back your claim, therefore resorting to defensive behavior. The truth of the matter is, it's a business decision, and one that gets people to upgrade. The hardware doesn't get less capable, but the software does get slower - and unless you're competent enough to realize it, you will be more likely to upgrade through any avenues you have (2 year contract upgrades, yearly upgrade plans, etc) if you see that your device has slowed down; then had you stayed on the OS which you were perfectly content with all along.

 

[nando87]

This is also a very valid defense for apple's reasoning, and likely a very true one - however, considering how apple pre-loads iOS updates onto your phone, and doesn't allow you to downgrade after, I suspect behavior that persuades people to upgrade, and whether that be under malicious intent to cripple devices or not, it is intentional.

As I said, if they were sincerely concerned about our security, they would be updating iOs 8, iOs 7, and so on, if only to introduce new security-related patches. Wake up. An iPhone 4 running iOs6 is unsafer than an iPhone 6s running iOs 9 just because they want it to be that way, no need to upgrade the interface and graphics to patch security issues.

 

[Daisy81]

You're quite naive or blind. If not, why don't they allow to downgrade iOs? If someone wants to keep his iPhone for a long time, the best thing to do is to install the last revision of the iOs which came with the phone and keep it like that, don't upgrade to the next iOs version. All you have to do is to install a new battery after a few years and you're done, you have a fast competent iPhone for half a decade easily.

I haven't actually tried to downgrade my phone.

I suppose if you don't want the new version you could always elect to not upgrade. No one is twisting your arm.

 

[C DM]

Fragmentation? Is that apple's concern or the owner's concern? Security? All they have to do is to show you a screen saying you'll be unsupported, like Microsoft does. Why, if you're allowed to have an iPhone 4 without iOs9 but also without security updates (because they could continue to improve its security if they weren't willing to sell you phones), aren't you allowed to have an iPhone 5 without security updates if you want? The fact is AAPL wants you to upgrade your iOs always, and never come back, because they know that eventually it will get unusable, and then if you could go back to your original iOs you wouldn't have to buy another phone. Because that's what they do, sell phones.

It's an interesting theory, but it doesn't exclude other ones nor makes itself as the most likely one. That's what I was pointing out.

And of course people would buy new devices even if they didn't get updates, just look at how things are with many Androids that don't really get updates and people still buy new ones.

 

[nando87]

I haven't actually tried to downgrade my phone.

I suppose if you don't want the new version you could always elect to not upgrade. No one is twisting your arm.

No one is twisting your arm to upgrade but someone is twisting your arm not to downgrade.

 

[Daisy81]

Fragmentation? Is that apple's concern or the owner's concern? Security? All they have to do is to show you a screen saying you'll be unsupported, like Microsoft does. Why, if you're allowed to have an iPhone 4 without iOs9 but also without security updates (because they could continue to improve its security if they weren't willing to sell you phones), aren't you allowed to have an iPhone 5 without security updates if you want? The fact is AAPL wants you to upgrade your iOs always, and never come back, because they know that eventually it will get unusable, and then if you could go back to your original iOs you wouldn't have to buy another phone. Because that's what they do, sell phones.

As a Xcode developer I can say I usually don't target older versions of iOS. I like to trim out depreciated code as soon as possible to keep the program running optimally on new devices. If older devices slow down then oh well at least they still can run the new software.

You talk of fragmentation like it is no big deal. It is a huge pain in the butt. Its part of the reason why Android is usually a after thought to iOS in addition to the fact that android users don't want to pay money and don't want ads. They wonder why they get tons of freemium apps.
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No one is twisting your arm to upgrade but someone is twisting your arm not to downgrade.

Then don't upgrade. I don't see the problem.

You had the choice.

 

[nando87]

As a Xcode developer I can say I usually don't target older versions of iOS. I like to trim out depreciated code as soon as possible to keep the program running optimally on new devices. If older devices slow down then oh well at least they still can run the new software.

You talk of fragmentation like it is no big deal. It is a huge pain in the butt. Its part of the reason why Android is usually a after thought to iOS in addition to the fact that android users don't want to pay money and don't want ads. They wonder why they get tons of freemium apps.
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Then don't upgrade. I don't see the problem.

You had the choice.

I know that if you buy the last phone with the last software and the developer develops for the last software and hardware all is beautiful. That's something me and everyone supposes. But what if you want to use old software because you have old hardware, and the new software they want you to keep is making your phone worse. We all suppose you won't be supported by developers and won't have their last software, ok, so what? That's no explanation for apple not to allow you. Explanation is money. Or are you saying me that making your phone unusable is good because that way your apps work better? Thats nonsense. I'm talking from an iPhone owner perspective, you can simply exclude old iPhones when you publish your apps.

 

[Vanilla35]

Another perspective: Why do new versions of android speed up your aging device, while new versions of iOS slow down your aging device?

 

[nando87]

Then don't upgrade. I don't see the problem.

You had the choice.

I only have half the choice. But I pay all the iPhone. That's not fair from my point of view.

 

[Vanilla35]

As I said, if they were sincerely concerned about our security, they would be updating iOs 8, iOs 7, and so on, if only to introduce new security-related patches. Wake up. An iPhone 4 running iOs6 is unsafer than an iPhone 6s running iOs 9 just because they want it to be that way, no need to upgrade the interface and graphics to patch security issues.

They also refuse to patch old OS with maj

I only have half the choice. But I pay all the iPhone. That's not fair from my point of view.

Don't forget 3GB of your 9GB of storage is being occupied by the iOS x.xx you don't want to upgrade to.

 

[C DM]

They also refuse to patch old OS with maj


Don't forget 3GB of your 9GB of storage is being occupied by the iOS x.xx you don't want to upgrade to.

Are you talking about an update installer that is downloaded to your device? First it doesn't take up 3 GB as it's usually in the 1.x GB range, and second, and more importantly, for a while now you have the option to delete that downloaded installer.

 

[Daisy81]

I know that if you buy the last phone with the last software and the developer develops for the last software and hardware all is beautiful. That's something me and everyone supposes. But what if you want to use old software because you have old hardware, and the new software they want you to keep is making your phone worse. We all suppose you won't be supported by developers and won't have their last software, ok, so what? That's no explanation for apple not to allow you. Explanation is money. Or are you saying me that making your phone unusable is good because that way your apps work better? Thats nonsense. I'm talking from an iPhone owner perspective, you can simply exclude iPhones when you publish your apps.

Software progress is not going to be held back because your older iPhone can't handle it.

This is such like early progress on personal computers. New software and operating systems sold new hardware because the older machines couldn't handle the new software.

I think the issue is being overblown. The iPhone4 is old. I had one of those back in the days of the very first MacBook Pro Unibody and before the 13" MacBook Unibody was rebadged as the 13" MacBook Pro and unibody was dropped from the name because they where all unibodies now. This is ancient history in the digital world.

You come to me complaining that it is running slow now. My reaction is not your expected response. My reaction is, "wow it is still running new software thats impressive."

Kudos for keeping a phone that long, but it is time to make the decision of if you can live with it because it is just a phone that can use the web if you need to look something up and read emails or upgrade if you need it to be modern and quick.
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Another perspective: Why do new versions of android speed up your aging device, while new versions of iOS slow down your aging device?

Are you installing custom roms? Those ROMs trim a lot of fat off the install.
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I only have half the choice. But I pay all the iPhone. That's not fair from my point of view.

The entitled generation at it's finest. Life isn't fair.

You can have a kick ass machine one day and the next it is a pile of junk. If you are using an iPhone4 you have received a lot more support then android phones of that era. You got a lot for your money. You are entitled to nothing else and living off good graces at this point.

 

[Vanilla35]

Are you installing custom roms? Those ROMs trim a lot of fat off the install.

I am not (although I have much experience with that on older devices), however even if I were, the point still stands.

You calling iOS fat?

 

[Daisy81]

I am not (although I have much experience with that on older devices), however even if I were, the point still stands.

You calling iOS fat?

LOL no I was calling Samsung's Touch Wiz morbidly obese.

I am saying that the iPhone 4 is geriatric.

 

[HEK]

He's certainly proof that his loyal following will blindly follow apple regardless of what they do

What's it to you what other people decide they like or dislike about a phone. You hate Apple so much you have to play the loyal follower card? No one is blindly following Apple no matter what they do. They are deciding what feature or lack there of is important to them. Why do you get so nasty when when they don't agree with your opinion. If anything, you sound like a loyal hater.

It's a phone for goodness sake. Teach Apple a lesson? Really? Why do YOU want to turn it into a religious crusade.
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I only have half the choice. But I pay all the iPhone. That's not fair from my point of view.

Then don't buy the phone. None of us will mind, trust me, we really don't care what phone you choose to use.

 

[geoff5093]

What's it to you what other people decide they like or dislike about a phone. You hate Apple so much you have to play the loyal follower card? No one is blindly following Apple no matter what they do. They are deciding what feature or lack there of is important to them. Why do you get so nasty when when they don't agree with your opinion. If anything, you sound like a loyal hater.

It's a phone for goodness sake. Teach Apple a lesson? Really? Why do YOU want to turn it into a religious crusade.
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Then don't buy the phone. None of us will mind, trust me, we really don't care what phone you choose to use.

If someone sees apple turning their last gen phone into something so unusable that they have to upgrade, yet continue buying those products, that's crazy.

 

[Daisy81]

If someone sees apple turning their last gen phone into something so unusable that they have to upgrade, yet continue buying those products, that's crazy.

I can still use my iPhone6 even after seeing the new iPhone 6S. If you want the latest and greatest every year you will have to pay to play. This is not isolated to Apple.

 

[geoff5093]

I can still use my iPhone6 even after seeing the new iPhone 6S. If you want the latest and greatest every year you will have to pay to play. This is not isolated to Apple.

I'm not saying the 6 is usable or not, I'm talking about the poster that said iOS 9 made his 6 unusable so he bought a 6s. If he felt it made the 6 unusable, it's likely hell experience it again this fall with the 7.

 

[Daisy81]

I'm not saying the 6 is usable or not, I'm talking about the poster that said iOS 9 made his 6 unusable so he bought a 6s.

I'm sorry I misunderstood your post. You're 100% correct. LOL That is ridiculous.

I have a iPhone 6+ 64GB running iOS9 and it is far from unusable.

 

[Zwhaler]

I was wondering if iOS 10 will make the iPhone 6s slow

The non S models get slow with the iOS upgrades

Realistically with a fresh install you should be good for one iOS upgrade. Beyond that, expect it to get slow. iPhone 4S shipped with iOS 5 and ran 6 and 7 well.