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What's it to you what other people decide they like or dislike about a phone. You hate Apple so much you have to play the loyal follower card? No one is blindly following Apple no matter what they do. They are deciding what feature or lack there of is important to them. Why do you get so nasty when when they don't agree with your opinion. If anything, you sound like a loyal hater.

It's a phone for goodness sake. Teach Apple a lesson? Really? Why do YOU want to turn it into a religious crusade.
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Then don't buy the phone. None of us will mind, trust me, we really don't care what phone you choose to use.
Apple also doesn't care about you defending them. At least I defend my interests and no other's.
 
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If someone sees apple turning their last gen phone into something so unusable that they have to upgrade, yet continue buying those products, that's crazy.

I would have switched to android - but the problem is that android is even worse.
 
If someone sees apple turning their last gen phone into something so unusable that they have to upgrade, yet continue buying those products, that's crazy.
In your opinion.

Others may have a different definition of "unusable". While still others may not feel they have to upgrade. Still others accept that being on bleeding edge costs. While others won't buy the phone again. None of these people are crazy. They are all correct and making their own choices.

On other platforms such as Windows PCs I have been disappointed with massive slow downs and finally freeze ups over time. Dell, Sony, HP all are in my e-waste pile. Older original software as well as newer software has always worked slower with time. I have given up buying Windows machines for my personal use completely.

My Mac computers all still work. Even my 8 year old Mac works with latest software. But my newest MacBook Pro runs circles around it, which I not only expect it to, but demand it does.

With phones, I have adopted smart phones after leaving flip phones back about the 3GS times. First smart phone was an iPhone and stayed with them because I like the way they work. Always updated software, never felt desire to go backwards and was always happy to move on to the 4s, 5s, 6 Plus, and now the 6s Plus.

I'm very happy that Apple keeps incorporating more features, refining existing ones, improving security and providing software upgrades across the board for no charge. No upgrade I have ever implemented has made any of my phones unusable. And I am not defending Apple, I am stating my opinion based on my experiences.
 
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In your opinion.

Others may have a different definition of "unusable". While still others may not feel they have to upgrade. Still others accept that being on bleeding edge costs. While others won't buy the phone again. None of these people are crazy. They are all correct and making their own choices.

On other platforms such as Windows PCs I have been disappointed with massive slow downs and finally freeze ups over time. Dell, Sony, HP all are in my e-waste pile. Older original software as well as newer software has always worked slower with time. I have given up buying Windows machines for my personal use completely.

My Mac computers all still work. Even my 8 year old Mac works with latest software. But my newest MacBook Pro runs circles around it, which I not only expect it to, but demand it does.

With phones, I have adopted smart phones after leaving flip phones back about the 3GS times. First smart phone was an iPhone and stayed with them because I like the way they work. Always updated software, never felt desire to go backwards and was always happy to move on to the 4s, 5s, 6 Plus, and now the 6s Plus. So by your account I am crazy. Well I don't value your opinion in the least.

I'm very happy that Apple keeps incorporating more features, refining existing ones, improving security and providing software upgrades across the board for no charge. No upgrade I have ever implemented has made any of my phones unusable.
I think he was actually getting at the person he was quoting keeps doing the same thing expecting a different result. That is crazy. I don't think his post was actually making a statement one way or another about his position on the subject. :)
 
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I think he was actually getting at the person he was quoting keeps doing the same thing expecting a different result. That is crazy. I don't think his post was actually making a statement one way or another about his position on the subject. :)
Then I misunderstood it as well. :) I go rest my eyes, these quotes of quotes of quotes are getting confusing.
 
Then I misunderstood it as well. :) I go rest my eyes, these quotes of quotes of quotes are getting confusing.

I think he was actually getting at the person he was quoting keeps doing the same thing expecting a different result. That is crazy. I don't think his post was actually making a statement one way or another about his position on the subject. :)
Correct lol. Personally I don't think the 6 runs iOS so poor you need to upgrade, but the person I was quoting did, and I just thought it was crazy that if he thought the previous gen phone became unusable, why does he stick with apple knowing it's going to happen again?
I would have switched to android - but the problem is that android is even worse.
Not at all, usually Android phones actually get performance increases and better battery life with new OS updates. When 6.0 came out everyone said how much better their phones ran.
 
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Then I misunderstood it as well. :) I go rest my eyes, these quotes of quotes of quotes are getting confusing.

Maybe coz you reading from a tiny screen... :p

On other note, the more you using the S models, the better they get ;)
 
Correct lol. Personally I don't think the 6 runs iOS so poor you need to upgrade, but the person I was quoting did, and I just thought it was crazy that if he thought the previous gen phone became unusable, why does he stick with apple knowing it's going to happen again?

Not at all, usually Android phones actually get performance increases and better battery life with new OS updates. When 6.0 came out everyone said how much better their phones ran.
I don't remember my Galaxy Note 2 ever feeling like it slowed down. The problem with the updates for android is the biggest seller (Samsung) is notorious for not giving updates. I miss that phone at times, but was disappointed with the android phablet really just being a bigger screened phone and only the built in apps making use of the screen like a tablet.

Fast forward to today and I find myself feeling the same way about the iPhone 6+. This isn't apple's fault they have provided the tools but no one has made an app to take advantage of it. I personally have decided when I do upgrade, whenever that is, I'm not buying another phablet.
 
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I don't remember my Galaxy Note 2 ever feeling like it slowed down. The problem with the updates for android is the biggest seller (Samsung) is notorious for not giving updates. I miss that phone at times, but was disappointed with the android phablet really just being a bigger screened phone and only the built in apps making use of the screen like a tablet.

Fast forward to today and I find myself feeling the same way about the iPhone 6+. This isn't apple's fault they have provided the tools but no one has made an app to take advantage of it. I personally have decided when I do upgrade, whenever that is, I'm not buying another phablet.

The problem with that is people don't use phablets for phablet activity. They use it for seeing Instagram pictures on the 5.5 incher. Same reason the goof Eddy Cue was talking about how great internet browsing is on the iPad Pro during that interview :rolleyes:

Not to deface the point made by HEK about people having their own uses and each use is the correct in their own way. I personally am more of the "consumer" myself. I like my nerdy features, but I'd prefer simplicity and innate functionality.
 
I haven't actually tried to downgrade my phone.

I suppose if you don't want the new version you could always elect to not upgrade. No one is twisting your arm.

But there is another consideration which you haven't thought of...you have a software problem and Apple says you have to wipe your phone and reload iOS.

Guess what...Apple is no longer signing the old versionit eg. you will be upgraded whether you want to or not. Or the phone gets replaced for warranty/service issues. You will be forced to upgrade as well!
 
my commodore 64 got really slow when i tried to put windows on it. i should have sued

Except that's not even close. I used to have snapchat, instagram etc etc on my iphone 3G some one arbitrarily decides that new versions of apps can't work on old phones.

Phone OS's and simple apps are not doing anything drastically different that they can't run on weaker hardware. I'm not asking to run games or anything.

There's also NO reason night mode can't work on a 5/4S when side loading flux works.
 
Except that's not even close. I used to have snapchat, instagram etc etc on my iphone 3G some one arbitrarily decides that new versions of apps can't work on old phones.

Phone OS's and simple apps are not doing anything drastically different that they can't run on weaker hardware. I'm not asking to run games or anything.

There's also NO reason night mode can't work on a 5/4S when side loading flux works.
Except it's basic software design. If the code uses libraries/frameworks that aren't supported by older hardware then that's that. If night shift is only 64-bit compatible then it doesn't work on 32-bit devices. If an app uses APIs and libraries that are in newer OS versions then older OS versions can't run those apps as they don't know anything about those newer APIs and libraries.
 
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I'm on the regular 5 with the latest iOS and I still think my phone is plenty fast.

I did just order a 6S+ :D but that's just because I wanted it :oops:

But really, I could easily stay on the 5 at least until the 7S rolls out.
I've been using the 5 for all my browsing now for almost two months (sold my Mac) and it's been more than snappy enough.

-unlike my iPad 2, that thing is absolutely unusably slow now :mad:
 
Well there's a lawsuit bc the iPhone 4 got slow

Sounds like you came here to post a question, but already had a specific answer in mind that you wanted?
That's pretty silly!!! =D

Btw, educated guess- the processor in 6S is CRAZY fast & we likely won't see any iOS devices with more than the 2gb RAM that it has (other than the 4gb in iPad Pro and possibly 3gb in iPhone 7 Plus... due to higher resolutions) for a while, so I'd put my neck out there & say that iPhone 6S will still be almost unbelievably fast on a stable/non-beta release of iOS 10.
 
Sounds like you came here to post a question, but already had a specific answer in mind that you wanted?
That's pretty silly!!! =D

Btw, educated guess- the processor in 6S is CRAZY fast & we likely won't see any iOS devices with more than the 2gb RAM that it has (other than the 4gb in iPad Pro and possibly 3gb in iPhone 7 Plus... due to higher resolutions) for a while, so I'd put my neck out there & say that iPhone 6S will still be almost unbelievably fast on a stable/non-beta release of iOS 10.

That's what I'm thinking.

Since the 6s ram huge ram I think it will stay fast
 
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